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~Eh, it got a little windy and rained.

I found it to be quite an exciting trip. There was more wind and rain than I am used to but as a matter of fact we never saw a tornado although we heard the tornado alarm IIRC. I love stormy weather!

BTW Robert, it was great how you explained what happened and what we saw. A trip never to forget!
 
We all talk the talk when it comes to global warming, but few of us are willing to walk the walk. E.g. Al Gore consumes more than 20 TIMES the national average -- more than $30,000/year of electricity and gas -- in his Belle Meade mansion, while he tells the rest of us to cut our energy use and sign up for freaking carbon credits. Hello???

I sincerely hope oil and gas prices continue their steady march upward. When it hits $200/barrel, or $300, or some amount we'll be motivated to finally break our addiction to fossil fuels. In the meantime I believe there are right and wrong ways to approach the issue of global warming, and government nannyism (totalitarianism) is not the answer. We're already walking around half-showered, in stained underwear, dealing with half-flushed toilets etc because of this Earth-as-victim mentality. Like the "war on terror" this other cesspool of fear mongering has no edges and no bottom.

 
Jeff,

Has it occurred to you that there are a lot of truly poor Americans who will suffer tremendously if oil prices reach that point and nothing is done to help them?
I am no fan of the nanny-state. But the price of killing off the working poor strikes me as a bit high.
Survival of the fittest is a sound libertarian principle...as long as one belongs to the exclusive minority who are wealthy and privileged enough to be exempt from the consequences of dissolving society's bonds and mutual aid.
Yes, we need to make some changes, and we needed to make them years ago. Mother Nature never forgets, never forgives, always wins...and you are quite right on one point: The planet doesn't need us. To her, we are but a fart in time. We, however, desperately need her.
The US is not alone in this situation, the whole world needs to work together. But no other industrial country has so completely permitted itself to be held hostage to the whims of their enemies. No other nation has so actively opposed alternative energies and mass transit.
I truly hope that American ingenuity, coupled with sensible laws and regulation can solve this problem.
Having the weakest in your society bare the brunt of it on their already broken backs is not the right answer.
Or are you willing to adjust your lifestyle down to that of the disabled Iraqi vet and his family, to that of the retired couple on a fixed income, no health insurance and no alternatives? If so, than pray forgive my plea for tolerance.
 
Panthera,like your qhote on Mother Nature

It reminded me of a quote from Carol Bruce, Mother Carlson from WKRP.
When she was playing pool, her rules were simple.I go first, if you get ahead of me you loose your turn, in the end I win.
Lets face it,Mother Carlson and Mother Nature are both bitches.
No offense Mother Nature, I'm wishing for a nice weekend.
 
Keven, gasoline is $4.50/gallon in my part of California. You'll hear lots and lots of whining, but 9+ out of 10 cars on the road still have just one occupant. At least so far, "suffer" is a rather extreme overstatement.

Likewise I'm not claiming we should "dissolve society's bonds and mutual aid". I'm saying as long as society is not responsible for earning my living or putting food on my table, or paying my energy bill every month, it's certainly not responsible for toilet training me and dictating how much water I'm allowed to use to get spooge stains out of my underwear.
 
What is actually causing this years tornado problem actually is the reverse of warm, it's the cold.
After this past years horribly cold winter and record snowfall, the air over the Rocky Mountains is much colder this year than in previous years. Combine this colder than normal air with the warm and very moist Gulf Coast air that is rushing up into the Midwest whenever a pressure system passes by and you have the formula for a higher than average tornado season.
 
The storms are all so terrible! Hopefully it will all be over soon!?
The talk about the price for fuel.... I hate it! However....
I love the fact that I pull up to the red light here in Atlanta with "rich" people in Hummers, Huge SUV's, etc., that can't even run their air-conditioners in their buses because they can afford the car monthly note, not to mention the gas, with 90+ temperatures!!!
They all look at me with the air blowing full blast, hair flowing, make up flawless....you get the picture, in my VW Passat Wagon, Or my older Audi, that averages 37 MPG on the highway, like I have done something to them!
Sorry, but I did not mean to offend, but I hope you can keep your lifestyle up since you are the reason why we have no gas in the first place!!!
Boy am I cool, in more ways than one!
I am however, sick of the gas prices.
My VW Passat wagon when I bought it in 2004 used to cost me $22 to fill up. And that was with Super Unleaded! It now cost me to fill up, close to $60.00 with regular unleaded. Terrible, and I am afraid that it is only going to get worse.
Brent
 
Jeff,

I may have been overly harsh in passing judgment and I apologize. Many of the words and phrases you use are the same as are used by the libertarians and far-right republicans who truly don't care what happens to the weaker people in society. Sure, let the market regulate it...but at what cost to society?

I have avoided discussing the price of gasoline here in Europe because, for most Americans, that would be a provocation. We do pay enormously more for energy here - I pay 10 times more per kilowatt than my parents, for example. Gas (Methane) is indexed to the price of oil here and that means obscene heating bills. And yes, gasoline is more than twice as expensive here. All our appliances are water saving and yet Americans who visit here universally praise the higher quality of our washers and dishwashers...and while nobody cares for German Toilets...these absurd problems the American water saving toilets have had are unknown here.
The question for me is simple: At what point are my private activities doing harm to society? I do not use drugs and do not advocate their use. But if it were up to me, I'd legalize the whole spectrum for 18 year olds and above. You'd have to cart the dead bodies away for awhile, but eventually you'd reach the equilibrium we have with other drugs. And the billions we pump into this losing war every year could be better spent.
The same with gay marriage - I fail to understand the position of those (especially those among ourselves!) who seek to discriminate against us by forbidding it. If you don't want to marry another person of your own sex, don't. But get the fcuk out of my life.
Water, gasoline, methane, etc. fall into a slightly different area. These commodities are limited or entail enormous recycling/processing costs...or, worse, they are irreplaceable in other fields. You don't have to power your car with gasoline. I'd like to see a farmer cope without petroleum based fertilizers and portable power. No way.
Regardless of how one feels about global warming (man made or natural) it is a fact that our climate is warming up. Any reasonable person (especially a conservative in the Eisenhower/Goldwater sense and not the Neo-Cons) would want to minimize additional warming, at least until we know for sure what the consequences will be.
And, if you will forgive my very long rant, there is the question of why on earth the US insists on giving money to her worst enemies? The oil producing countries - except for Norway and a handful of others - are nearly all committed to the destruction of civil rights, the destruction of Israel, the US and or all three. And yet, through decades of opposition to any attempts to reduce dependency, the West - especially the US - is now dependent on these horrid regimes.
My home town of Fort Collins, Colorado blocked all attempts at an intrastate and interstate regional transportation cooperative, right through this spring. Now, with the price of gas hurting the businesses in the Chamber of Commerce, guess who is screaming about how "democrats in Washington" have caused the problem! Sheesh.
Between roughly 300-1200 CE we saw what happens when commerce breaks down beyond the local level and the poorest of the poor are left to their own devices. Leaving things purely up to the market would, in my opinion, result in a similar catastrophe.
 
Keven, no apology necessary. It's often a fine line between espousing libertarian values and coming off as a raging right-wing Spawn of Satan. I mean just look at who this year's presidential candidate is for the Libertarian Party. Yikes! This is the same clown who sponsored the federal "Defense of Marriage Act" in 1996.
 
The sad thing is that the greed of the oil, coal and auto interests in this country and those that feed off of them has prevented any meaningful leadership in R&D for alternative energy sources for more than 3 decades. I remember the terse report on an experiment with geo-thermal energy said something about the sediment rich water clogged the pipes making it an impractical source of energy. The joke used to be: Why aren't we using more solar power? Because the oil companies don't own the sun or haven't figured out how to bill for sunlight. We will pay for this. As the African proverb goes, "When elephants battle, it's the grass that suffers." In 1969 or thereabouts, the Smithsonian Magazine had an article about the limited supply of fossil fuels and what we needed to do to prepare for the time when they would be in short supply and cost more than we could imagine. Nobody wants to hear about that. Image what a curse it would have been to be shown something from the future like AIDS or the Holocaust and not only not have anyone listen to you, but to have them shun you or threaten you with imprisonment if you did not stop making a pest of yourself and upsetting people.

On a spring afternoon in 1955, the high school I was to eventually attend burned. I was a little kid not yet 5 standing in the street watching the smoke far away, not knowing what was burning. Years later, one of my best friends told me about that day. The motion picture projectors had been blowing fuses all day. After school was out, this young student who had a reputation as sort of a flake and a teller of tales came running to my friend who was head of the HomeEc Department yelling that she had to get out of the building because the school was on fire. She tried to shush him but he would not be silenced and begged her to go with him to see it because no one would believe him. She agreed after assuring him he would be in big trouble if he was not telling the truth. He took her to a door of the gym and when he opened it, one whole wall was was in flames. People don't want to hear about the unthinkable or even the inconvenient or unpleasant.
 
Climate change could be a contributing factor for what we have been seeing, but the technology exists for weather manipulation through devices like ionospheric heaters, and, that, to me, would seem to be a more rational reason for such remarkable changes, occurring at such an amazing speed.
 
Ionospheric heaters?!!!

OK, Toto - I <font color="red">know<font color="000000"> we aren't in Kansas any more.
Anyone who seriously believes that is spending way too much time reading check-out tabloids or is channeling Trick Dicky.
Or both.

But, gosh - anybody mind if I submit it as a plot for the next James Bond?
I know exactly who could play the Bond boy, the mad scientist and the evil villain.
 
Ionosheric heating-its been tried-but man just can't generate enough power to do this-at best only like a something like a tenth of a degree in a small area over Alaska-the HAARP experiment-High Altitude Aurora Radiation Project.It involves broadcasting SW energy(like what we use at VOA site for SW broadcasting)straight up into the atmoshpere over Alaska.the HAARP site can generate up to 6MW of SW energy-about what our site can generate if all transmitters here were running at full power-all at the same time.Continental electronics built the transmitters used in the HAARP research project.We use some Continental transmitters here.Its an interesting project-not the sinister thing some report it to be.The plant has a radar system that monitors the airspace over the site-beleive its near Mt Sanford Alaska.The airspace is restricted there-there is enough energy where it could affect an airplanes engine control systems or navigation-the Radar system monitors the airspace whenever their transmitters are on-if a plane strays into the space-the transmitters are shut down immediately and the operators are alerted.

 
Yeah,

The burning water problem is similar - we can't get as much energy out (yet) as we put in.
Same with "cold fusion". I am willing to accept the potential, since I don't have the maths or brains to judge for myself. But so far, all these schemes exceed our technical and manufacturing abilities by a wide margin.
It would be easier to release massive amounts of CO² into the atmosphere then to build ionospheric heaters which could account for even a small percentage of what's going on.
I don't doubt that we will solve these things eventually, or find better solutions...but when I read about these conspiracies, it just makes we want to roll on the floor and laugh...then cry and weep.
Sheesh, somebody's tin-foil hat is on way too tight.
 
Here is the link to the actual HAARP website.No-you won't need your tinfoil cap.I am afraid the earths atmosphere is so massive even Man really can't effect it as some beleive---"Gullible warming"We are in a 10,050 year cycle-enjoy it won't happen again for another 10,000 years.The power output of the HAARP site is really 3.6MW-I got it wrong.About the power of one of VOA's transmitter sites.The big difference is the HAARP transmitter site aims straight upward wereas VOA does not.As their website points out-other research projects go one there.

 
Well, there are slow learners who chose to believe the emerging global warming industry, where LOADS of money can be made off an irrational, all-encompassing fear of ONE scientific aspect can be attributed to everything from escalating fuel prices to, uh, the length of time it takes to fry one's Bratkartoffeln up...

I prefer to accept the fact that there ARE aspects to science, industry, emerging technologies, and more affordable ways to affect geopolitics and contemporary warfare that are beyond my ability to fully comprehend, without ruling out that they necessarily exist altogether.

And that would be the difference between those of us who truly are interested in the world, and the future, and those who simply need yet another excuse to "weep".

Thank you, tolivac, for the excellent overview.
 
When you are in a hole,

Stop digging!

At this stage in our scientific progress, we can not yet make conclusively prove nor yet disprove entirely the extent to which our activities contribute to climate warming.

Nor is it entirely possible to predict the warming/cooling cycles beyond fairly rough estimates on a planet which is subject to Draysonian shifts (like Terra, lucky us).

The most we can do is to look at the evidence from the past, apply our best statistical tools to it, compare it to the situation in the present era and make projections about what we think might happen in the near future.

Regardless of the accuracy of such projections, regardless of the potential for man to influence the atmosphere, there is tremendous unity among scientists competent in these endeavors that our biosphere is warming and will most likely continue to do so over the next years.

It is up to us to decide what we want to do with this information. When I first heard that, for some reason, people who kept cats and bathed regularly suffered less from the black plague, I decided to keep cats, buy meself a good vacuum cleaner and up my baths from once a year to weekly.
Other folks decided to kill all the cats, persecute the folks taking all those baths and stone the door-to-door Kirby salesman...hanging his severed head on the city gate next to that of Louis Pasteur, Galileo and Columbus.

Sorry if my dates may be a bit confused there, when reflecting on one's middle-age, one may, at times, get the time sequences a bit mixed up.

Anyway you cut it, wasting our last reserves of fossil fuel is foolish. Anticipating an exclusively market driven solution to the problem will fix things may sound good on paper, but effectively, it will destroy the middle class - the back-bone of that capitalism I am rather fond of. I don't know what we can do, I don't know what we need to do to cope with a changing climate. I do know that when things are warming up, it doesn't make sense to contribute to the heat load.
 
Panthera,

Based on my personal observations climate change is very much an (upper) middle-class driven initiative. It has everything to do with resource and wealth re-distribution and very little with the atmosphere. You are right though, it is about squeezing average and low-income households to breaking point, globally. Current world energy and food costs are impacted by the politics that flow from this issue amongst other things.

If this issue were truly driven by genuine and serious science we would have real and protracted debate about it. As it currently stands though, it is nothing more than shrill propaganda, scaremongering and (very successful) social engineering on a grand scale. Considering the lack of good quality science and debate, I wager that a few years from now climate change/ global warming will go into the annals of history as a grand hoax. BTW, science has clearly established that climate has never been a constant and significant changes have occurred over very small time-frames pre-industrialization. I find statements such as 'we can stop/reverse climate change' highly amusing and indicative of the ignorance and disingenuousness of climate change advocates.

Renewables are expensive and don't deliver the goods that will serve humanity with a better and egalitarian future. A case in point are hybrids, which deliver some kind of net energy benefit in city traffic, but are no more efficient than an ordinary petrol engine on the freeway. Taking into account the entire life-cycle (from production, use to the disposal)of hybrids and their higher cost, they are actually a very poor choice. There are diesel cars that are 30% cheaper, kinder to the environment and hip pocket. Studies have shown that, even with current petrol prices, it will take consumers approximately 30 years to recoup the extra cost of their hybrid purchase through petrol savings. In real terms the only positive is a warm and fuzzy feeling if one chooses not to look at the bigger picture.

Currently photovoltaic power generation is less than 50% efficient, when compared to electricity generated from fossil fuels and very much more expensive. If we were to put installations in place on a scale required to meet modern energy demands, the net outcome would be financial and environmental ruin. In the future things may very well change, but this is how it stands at the moment.

I still think that clean coal and carbon sequestering are very real and sensible options. The emerging economies will continue to use cheap coal as their primary source for energy generation, regardless of the environmental sentiments of the West. If we keep developing improved technologies for conventional fuels, not only can we keep using our own resources, but also sell them.

Energy consumption will only increase, unless we either experience a significant reduction in the world's population, some other cataclysmic or social event that throws us back to pre-industrialization. I see no merit in the current policy directions that are being formulated by industrialized nations. Carbon trading and the Kyoto protocol are a scams that cut down more trees to create imaginary value from thin air without any tangible environmental positives. These types of initiatives are designed to inveigle, obfuscate and fleece the general public.

Anyway, enough of that for now.

BTW, going back to the original topic of this post - tornadoes do occur in Germany and other parts of the world with regularity. Did you know that in India and Bangladesh more people are killed by tornadoes every year than in the US?

When I lived in the mid-western US many years ago, I experienced lots of spectacular thunderstorms, but never once a tornado. Though, in the early seventies our car got trashed by a tornado that blew through my home town of Kiel, Germany. Mum and I had gone to Hertie for some shopping and we'd parked our car opposite by the rail station, which also happened to be in the path of that tornado. We didn't know what had happened until we got outside well after the event - which is a credit to German building codes. To say the least, the place looked as if a bomb had been dropped right in the middle of the car park and our car was totalled.

Some climatologists are saying that global warming may actually reduce future tornadic and hurricane events, due to reduced temperature differences in the troposphere. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Personally, I am of the opinion that US building codes do not offer adequate protection from severe weather events.
 
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