Miele Laundry Detergents VS Persil

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So, how do the Miele detergents rate compared to the Persil brand? I was given a free box of Miele powder when I purchased my set. Just cracked into it this morning. Any thoughts or preferences between the two?

Malcolm
 
I have used the Miele detergents for whites, colors and the liquid detergent for colors, as well as their fabric softener and detergents for dedicates and sport wash.

 

IMO:

 

The detergent for whites cleans almost as well as Persil Megaperls for whites although I sometimes added about 1/2 teaspoon more for heavy soiled whites.  The detergent for colors is just as good as Persil Megaperls colors and does not contain optical brighteners. The liquid for colors is foamy but is supposed to work well on oil - it actually does remove oily stains when you pour it directly on them and launder in warm to hot water. 

 

The detergent for dedicates works well and leaves everything smelling good.  Same with the sport wash although it is no better than any other sport wash IMO.

 

You use way less Miele fabric softener compared to standard softeners and still  get the same soft impact and a fresh scent.  I cannot define the scent it just smells soft and nice.  

 

I tend to use a few different softeners so it takes a while to finish them and during last winter I found that the Miele softener had thickened to the point that I could not use it.  This may be because my laundry area is in the basement which is in the low 60's in the winter.  I am going to buy another bottle and use it throughout the summer

 

Miele detergents are made by the  Kreussler company in Weisbaden Germany. 

 

 

 

http://www.kreussler.com/en/home.html
 
Jerrod, Thanks for the info. If I go to a Miele dealer now, they have this brand instead of Persil? I need some fabric softener. I might stop by the Miele dealer and try some. Do you buy these products online or from your dealer?

This company makes a lot of products. I wonder which go into the Miele detergents.

If fabric softener thickens, just add some hot water.

http://www.kreussler-chemie.de/download/Information Broschueren/Fabrikation-GB-USA-low.pdf
 
My Miele vacuum dealer

usually has both Persil and Miele Care Collection. However, when I got my Capricorn almost two years ago (eeek, I think it's still new---) He was out of Persil Colour Megaperls, so I got the Miele detergent for colors....and I think it's a Very Good Detergent. Even in a toploader.

Just my experience.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Tom

 

My guess and this is only a guess, is that the Miele detergents are some form of the Trebon line that is listed on the web site and perhaps some of the Ottalin CL stuff  since it is oxygen bleach and the detergent for whites contains this and perhaps some form of the COLOFIX line designed to retain  dyes on textiles.

Miele says that their detergents are  Zeolite free, which Persil does(at least my last box had it) contain, I think to soften the water.   Could also be that the Miele detergent is nothing like this other stuff, but at least we know it is  produced by a company that probably knows what it is doing.

 

 

You can order online from Miele USA from their miserably slow web site, but my local appliance store carries both Persil and Miele so I get it locally.  The Miele stuff is slightly cheaper.

 

Ignore the package dosage recommendations.  For me their recommendation is way TOO much for my needs.  I use about the same amount of Miele as Persil so you will need to try it a few times to hit the right amount for your soil.

 

 

I tried adding hot water to the FS  but when I returned the next week it was solidified again, which makes me think it is do the the cold temp in my basement.  What would really help is if I had a good way to mix it.  I added hot water shook it in a bottle but there were still clumps floating in the water.  The thing is that this will go from the dispenser and into the last rinse ok and I have not seen any deposits on anything but I don't like clumps of FS being introduced into the tub.

 

I really do like their FS because it softens and smooths well and has a light undefinable scent which is why I am buying it as soon as it gets warm again.

 

 

[this post was last edited: 2/23/2013-14:47]
 
Speaking of Persil colour powder have they added an optical brightener? On the box it looks like they have yet they have excluded it on the liquids and liquitabs for colours.

I have tried the Miele liquid and think its excellent but you have to order it online which is a pain.
 
Oh i see. Would that be the Henkel brand? I used Henkel brand Persil in Greece once and it bleached my light pink t shirt. UK bio persil never did this so they must of used non colour safe bleach.
 
Yes that's the brand. They make detergents for whites that may well bleach out colors because they don't recommend using it on medium to dark colors. They make a different detergent for colors which has a type of color transfer inhibitor, and a liquid detergent for darks like black and blues.

Miele has the same set up, one for whites, one for colors, but they don't make one for darks.

Miele also sells detergent for waterproofing fabrics( I think their example is to use it for outer wear) and they sell a detergent formulated to clean down.
 
Just checked the Miele USA web site and see that there is a new formulation of the fabric softener. Information says that it allows better pourability of the product, so I wonder if others have had trouble with this FS becoming thick.
Maybe I will order some this month.
 
I'm going to be up near the Miele dealer tomorrow and will see what they have. The nice thing about the siphon dispensers is that they won't let clumps of softener go through into the cylinder, but it's nice that they tried to improve it. Since this delaer sold Persil products years ago when I bought my machines, they probably also have the Persil brand of softener. Should I try that also or is it just too expensive?
 
I find that the Vernel softener does ok but the scent lingers...this is the Henkel German softener mate to Persil. Now the Miele detergents I tried them but wasnt impressed. I still love Persil. What is interesting is the fact that German Persil is marketed to the masses in Mexico. I am wondering if and when the agreement that Henkel has with Miele to import German Persil, what they will do when the agreement expires. I hate spending $50+ on detergent and even though I know it does a great job I find that Tide HE powder does just as well and even Tide W/Bleach HE powder does well. And for less.
The Miele softener made by Kressler does thicken up after a period of time. I have not bought that in a few years now.
 
I've been wondering about that agreement expiration also. Perhaps they will just make another agreement but if they don't and Henkel wants to sell Persil in the USA they could just sell it though their own company here in the USA - Purex. I doubt this will happen though.

I have used Vernel purchased from Miele, but I also have purchased it from the Drugstore.com. The ones from Drugstore.com were from the Aroma Therapy line and they really smelled good. The ones I liked the most were: Waterlily and Lemongrass, Hibiscus and Rose and Wild Rose. These left a pleasant scent in your clothes that was not overbearing. I tried to purchase them again a few months ago but they were not available.

I did order the Miele softener from Miele after writing my post above. I want to try the new formulation.
 
Miele Carecollection 2 Fabric Softener

I Googled this. All prices are for 2 Liters (67 oz) for 66 loads. It is $16.95 at Total Vac, $42.00 at Sears and $18 at Amazon (sold by GoVacuum). I think that if I buy two from Amazon, I would get the free shipping. Is this what you ordered, Jerrod, from Miele? I looked this up so I would have a basis of comparison at the Miele dealer tomorrow.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and personal experience.
 
Aha, been looking further into this and it looks like a lot of companies are involved. This is for parts of the European market:

White and Color detergents - Dalli
Delicate detergent - Kreussler
Outdoor detergent - Effax
Softener - Kreussler
Dishwasher tabs - Effax
Dishwasher powder - claro
Rinse aid - Becker Chemie (chemistry)
Dishwasher cleaner - Becker Chemie
Dishwasher conditioner - claro
Oven cleaner - Collo
.
.
.
 
No Miele dealer no more. Walked into the place and there were no Miele anythings even though the store has the same name as when I bought my 1918 from a different branch. Maybe the recession forced changes.
 
Alex I am going on the producers information that is printed on the side of the box that I ordered from Miele USA.

My boxes of Miele DW tabs say they were produced by Claro although the newer phosphate free ones may not be because I heard that you can no longer break them apart.

Detergent for white, colors, dedicates, and the FS says produced by Kreussler.

Tom yes. The FS was shipped yesterday and it arrived this morning. It is 67 ounces for $16.95. My previous bottle was 50 ounces but I don't remember the price.
It smells the same and may be a bit thinner but it wasn't very thick to begin with until winter temperatures. Interesting that the bottle shows pictures of folded towels on it because my towels say not to use fabric softener.

Here is a picture. The cap is not very big and the bottle has a grip handle on the back.

jerrod6++2-27-2013-16-17-29.jpg
 
All fabric softeners go thick

After a certain time, this has nothing to do with the outside temperature...
 
I was expecting it to remain the same consistency but after 8 months it thickened into big lump and no amount of adding hot water and shaking resolved the problem. Now maybe running it through a blender or food processor might have helped but I didn't want to have fabric softener in my food processors.

It was stored at the same temp(62F) in the laundry as other softeners and they maintained their consistency over this same period, so I think they had a problem.
 
Jerrod, I went to the Amazon site and purchasing this thru GoVacuum for $18.00 resulted in free shipping. I was not wanting to pry to see if you had to pay for shipping, but for a dollar more, this place offered it. Because I was totally out, I bought some Snuggle in the blue bottle with the Blue Sparkle fragrance, which I don't like as much as Mountain Spring Downy. I hope this Miele stuff smells better or just smells less.
 
Tom I had to pay for shipping but surprisingly I can't tell you how much.

Probably not more than $4 because I could drive to Princeton and pick the stuff up in less than 2 hours. When I ordered from the Miele web site it shows you the detail and you can print it then. I didn't because I thought it would be in an email they sent confirming the order. Well It isn't. The confirmation email says they received your order and gives you the order number. The shipping notice email says your order is shipped. No price detail in either.

When the order arrives it lists the items with no price detail at all.

So if you don't print it online when you order - you're done. No pricing information after that....unless I missed something....anyway I can tell you how much it costs by going to the web site, but I can't see the info from any documentation they deliver by email or shipping.

Sometimes I don't know what they, or their IT department are thinking. Just weird.

The scent will be much less than snuggle or any other FS. There is a faint scent but you have to work hard to figure out what it is..which is kinda why I like it.
 
The Miele Carecollection softener is here

I ordered this thru Amazon on Sunday, 3/3 and it arrived Wednesday, 3/6. I paid $18 and that included FREE shipping from a place out in Chantilly VA called GoVacuum. The softener has a very nice, mild fragrance, sort of a sophisticated, powdery scent, not like something you would use to deodorize swine and not overpowering like a perfume in the 60s called Jungle Gardenia where one girl wearing it could "perfume" a whole high school hallway.

At the bottom of the invoice, it says that the order was picked by Gabe, packed by Manuel and shipped by Tim.
 
Miele softener

Well, it has to be mixed somehow before it goes into the dispenser because it does not all dispense. Except where the three water sprays are, it sticks to the sides and corners of the compartment. Maybe if I add some water to the dispenser before adding the softener, it will dispense better. What do you do, Jerrod?
 
Tom Glad to hear your softener arrived. Yesterday I wore one of the shirts I washed in the FS last week. You can still smell the fragrance and it is kind of like "oh what's that nice smell"

Does your bottle look like the one I posted in the picture above. If not they shipped you the older version of the softener so you might want to keep it in a hot area of your house.

Ok what I do with ALL FS is to measure the amount with the cap, pour it into the dispenser, fill the remaining space with water up to the max fill line, and then..... I take my index finger and mix it around. I know some might find this gross, but hey I've been doing this for years with all softeners and washers, and it hasn't hurt me yet, and no I don't lick my finger afterwards.:)

I also use different softeners for different loads. I alternate between Miele, Purex sweet lavender and cotton or aloe with almond milk, Downy Honey flower, Comfort olive blossom with cotton extract, Suavitel island splash, and La bouquetiere essence of jasmine and roses, so between loads if I change softeners I remove the dispensing system and rinse the compartment out with hot water.

I like that they recognize the people who worked on your order
 
The fragrance is very mild and light. I usually notice it when I first handle the garment to put it on, but after that I don't smell it. I kind of like this since I am slightly offended when I stand next to someone especially at the gym, store, or on mass transit and I smell the scent in their clothes.

So I guess the scent level is OK for me.
 

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