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I have the urge to buy a new dishwasher. I have always had Frigidaires for all of my daily use appliances. Does anyone have a suggestion which new model of Frigidaire Dishwashers is the best? My current one works well enough but I have noticed 2 things. First, if I put any dishes in the lower rack in front of the detergent dispenser(a pop up door) then all of the detergent will not get flushed out (even when all are placed in the rack correctly & aligned properly). Secondly, I was visiting family during the holidays and they kept putting dirty dishes in their dishwashers which would come out nice an clean, I have to "clean" my dishes before I wash them. If I tried to put dirty dishes in my current dishwasher they will come out with the food remnants still in place.

I have seen that some of the newer models of the Frigidaire Dishwasher have the "OrbitClean" Spray system or the "BladeSpray" Clean arm. Does anyone have experience with any of these? Or would the normal Stainless Steel arm be best?

Thank you for the input.

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First, I guess it would be best if you open up a new thread. Just to get a clear topic seperation.
Second, the first 2 arms have a basicly same principle, and are pretty much simmilar except fpr the styling, which makes them look completly different.
The Frigidaire wash system is Electrolux based.
I personally only know about the E-Lux models and they seem pretty well performers with anything, but tend to longer cycle times. They are average in durability, but therefor are quite silent.
 
I have a new Frigidaire with the "Blade Spray" and it is AWESOME. I haven't had any issues at all, everything comes out super clean. My model is FGBD2445NB. It has a digital readout with the time remaining..I like that a lot. Also the interior is plastic but it's a speckled gray (medium tone). Pretty quiet too, like 54 db I think. I have an open living space and can watch TV easily with it running, the kitchen is attached to the living room.

I posted a comment up farther and there is a pic if you want to see.

I really recommend it. I paid around $400 for mine at the Home Depot.
 
for askolover and norgeway

First of all, while in principle I like your ideas, they will never get off the ground.

Reason being, you are outnumbered by a trillion to 1. Literally.

First you have Wall Street. It will ALWAYS influence financial and trade policy so as to benefit shareholders. Yours and my needs don't figure into the equation.

Second, you challenged that companies who outsource to China should be banned from selling here. That's fine, but let me ask you this...........WHO buys this crap from China?

Answer: WE DO!

I know it's hard to fathom but think about it. Consumer spending drives about 68% of economic activity in this country. That means, simply put, we choose winners and losers by voting with our feet and pocketbooks. And for years, we've operated under the notion that when in doubt, cheaper is better. And the lowest priced product usually winds up in the shopping cart. These are not my rules, but just how it is in the USA marketplace.

As as result, company X has a choice........try to appeal to the patriotism that has all but evaporated OR saddle up with the rest of the corporate snaggers and find a contract factory in China. Or rise losing shelf space at SprawlMart. What would YOU do?

Some years back, the SVP of Merchandising at my company addressed store's concerns about the increasing amount of imported products in our warehouses. Specifically, he addressed galvanized and black pipe fittings, nipples, elbows and the like. He noted that the imported products outsold the domestic sourced ones by a ratio of 15-1. He ended his discussion stating that while there was a lot of "demand" for USA sourced goods, there were declining numbers of "customers". Thus the reason for cheaper imported product.

Here's a typical discussion with a typical, brain dead, lazy, media fed American moron who cannot or will not think.

BDAM (brain dead American Moron):Ya know, it's really getting bad out there, people cannot find jobs, it's depressing. Why back in my day a guy could leave high school, marry Judy, start breeding kids, buy a station wagon, a house, and a small boat and live the good life. Now look at what has happened.

Me: Well since your time sir, globalization has demonstrated that both capital and intellect know of no national boundaries. And the countries we once bombed in doubya doubya 2 are now our competitors.

BDAM: Darn right. That's what I mean. All this stuff coming from China and god knows where. Back in my day, WE actually built stuff in this country. Now a good paying job is a cashier at Walmart.

ME: As we've evolved, we've moved from a manufacturing based economy to a service economy. Britain and France went through the same thing..........

BDAM: (interrupting)That's right! Friggin Walmart. I know someplace my taxes are covering those people that don't make enough to live on. How awful! They gotta do something, it's getting really bad out there.......

ME: Well it is for those who cling to the notion that only the US of A can make products.............

BDAM: (interrupting again).........well who says we have to buy stuff from China anyway? By golly, I know we can make it just as good, if not better here. And we could support good paying jobs IF we wanted to. It's George Bush's fault, yes, that's the problem!

ME: Well Barack Obama is president now sir.

BDAM: Yeah, I know. He's killing us, yes sir he is. By golly I never voted for that guy. They shoulda put that Mitt or Steve guy in there. It's really getting bad out there, yes sir.

ME: (clearing throat)By the way, I take it you are retired?

BDAM: Darn right! Got me a pension too! USW pension I might add. Best pension. We fought those guys tooth and nail but by golly we got it. Benefits too. Even the old lady is covered! I think the teamsters come close but we fought those corporate bastards for every dime. Yes sir, union is the way to go. Don't see too many union shops today do ya? I bet you wish you was in a union sonny!

ME: I work in IT and most of my field is non union. What isn't here is in India, usually Banglalore or Chennai.

BDAM: Huh? What you say? Are those places in like California or something? Or is that some new kind of restyraunt?

ME: Un no, those are two major IT outsourcing centers in the sub continent of India sir.

BDAM: (sounding doubtful) Oh.

ME: So you have a good pension yes?

BDAM: (proudly)Yes I do. Wuz a card carrying union member for 39 years kiddo. I got my benefits, paid for home, and a place on the lake. Yes sir, I still have my union card. Carry it too! Solidarity forever kiddo.

ME: By the way, where do you shop for groceries and household items?

BDAM: Why Walmart! Sams Club too!

ME: Is that a fact?

BDAM: Sure is. The got the best prices. Can't beat 'em either. My old lady does all the shopping and she says they have the lowest prices in town. So we get everything there. Even tires. Did you know that you can get tires for your automobile there sonny?

ME: Yes.

BDAM: Yes sir, we're careful with our money. Yes sir.

ME: You're talking about the same Walmart that you stated earlier does not pay their workers enough money right? That your taxes somehow subsidize right?

BDAM: (eyes glaze over).........coughs.......well you can't beat those prices.

ME: I bet you can't. But can you see the connection here?

BDAM: What connection? I'm not connected with anyone except the USW!

ME: (getting irritated)No, what I am saying is, how do you think Walmart, the very place you criticized earlier with the imported items from China and the low wages, undercuts the competition?

BDAM (now sporting the brain dead deer in headlights gaze, his mind blown with the nobody's home upstairs jaw dropping stare) Uh, gosh I don't really know.

ME: (places Marlboro gold cig in mouth. Pulls out USA made Zippo. Lights cig. Pulls smoke downstairs in one drag. Exhales, blowing smoke rings in the process. Stares at BDAM through the smoke.

I thought so. Turns and walks away, shaking head.
 
Thank you

Joeypete: I saw your earlier post & was responding to it. Your response really excites me about the decision. Although I don't have an open concept house I really want a quiet machine.

Logixx: Thank you for the review website. I read it & am excited as well. I really want to upgrade to a dishwasher with a stainless steel interior. So, it looks like the OrbitClean may be the way I go. I do like my current machine's Upper Rack Wash & Lower Rack Wash options, but I guess the Quick Wash option would do about the same (time wise).

Henene4: I appreciate the input regarding the difference between the 2 mechanisms. Since I only wash for myself I generally (90% of the time)run loads either while at work or at night so the increased time of a cycle is okay with me.

Thanks again.

bc
 
Jakeseacrest: I grew up next door to Ocean Spray. Where're you? I do sort of see your point. Recently I had to buy dishwasher detergent for the first time in years.... Where the f*ck did Electrasol go? I am not amused. There're 10 times the amount of products as when I last bought detergent but there's no Electrasol!

Frigilux: "Don't get me started on what I think of impeller-based top-load washers..." I'm with you 110%. In fact, being stuck with an impeller-based top-load washer that DID NOT WASH is how I wound up at aw.org to begin with.

Henene: An unfortunate fact of life in the U.S.A. is that when something is redesigned to be "more efficient" or "better for the environment", it rarely does the job as well as the product it replaced. This was true in the 1970's and '80's for cars. It was true in the 1990's for the refrigerant R-134 and for White-Out fluid. It was true for the transmission (not the car, just the transmission) of the SmartCar in the 2000's. It was/is definitely true for top-load washers and dishwashers today. Yes, newer versions are frequently better, but the fact remains that the first versions simply did not do the job.

I think most Americans would happily deal with longer cycle times for greater efficiency.... provided the clothes or dishes were properly cleaned. but alas, they are not.

For the record: I put down a $99 deposit on a Smart Car when it was first announced. Eventually I was able to take one for a test drive. I loved everything about it except for the transmission. It was clearly still in ALPHA testing, not even beta. The transmission was horrible beyond words.

Norgeway: I think you're a little extreme, but your point is valid nonetheless. For decades the U.S. has tried to reason with countries/groups/entities that have long since finished demonstrating that they cannot be reasoned with. The only thing they understand is: "If I strike at X country, X country will bomb my entire area into oblivion." The U.S. needs to stop pretending that such people do not exist in the world.

Washman: I have gone on ad nauseum in other threads about BDAM's. Their elevator simply doesn't go to the top floor and nothing we say or do can change that. We simply need to separate from them. I've gotten better with handling them as I've gotten older, but when they pull their crap of acting like they are the one's who know and I'm the one who's confused, I still tend to lose it. Separation is the only resolution.

As far as Chinese goods go, they offer the most bang for the buck. To borrow an example from another thread, my favorite underwear is Ergowear. Made in Chile, a pair of boxer briefs costs about $24.00 plus shipping and they last for years and years... #2 is Cockcon, made in China. A pair of boxer briefs costs about FOUR U.S. dollars, shipping included. #3 is N2N, made in the U.S. Boxer briefs cost $19.00 plus shipping and they don't hold up as well as Cockcon over time. Do you see the problem? Chinese goods are 3/4 as good as the first world products, yet cost just 1/4 as much, if that. That issue must be resolved first if one expects American consumers to avoid Chinese products.

I've ranted long enough...

Jim
 

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