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toploader55
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@ Joe...
"I can't be the only person in the world who looks at a Buick crossover and sees a steamed Bratwurst on wheels."
Exactly !!! Hahahaha. Too Funny. Like the Nissan Cube was dubbed "A Toaster". But for some reason I like the Cube.
Have to say, I will stick with my Tacomas. Been driving them since 1986. I take good care of them and they take good care of me. Presently my "Baby Boy" 2004 Tacoma has 180,000 and runs like the day I brought it home.
"I can't be the only person in the world who looks at a Buick crossover and sees a steamed Bratwurst on wheels."
Exactly !!! Hahahaha. Too Funny. Like the Nissan Cube was dubbed "A Toaster". But for some reason I like the Cube.
Have to say, I will stick with my Tacomas. Been driving them since 1986. I take good care of them and they take good care of me. Presently my "Baby Boy" 2004 Tacoma has 180,000 and runs like the day I brought it home.
vacerator
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The Flex is very roomy!
Also seats 7. However, as the new Continental is on the newer Cd-4 platform (Edge, and MKX) and the Flex, as well as the Explorer, the Lincoln MKT, and now defunct Taurus share the old D4 floor pans, etc., I expect they will be also gone before long. It was tweaked from the first Volvo S-80 platform which Ford inherited when they bought Volvo. Not to say they will all be discontinued, but redone like the Edge was, and or renamed as well.
Also seats 7. However, as the new Continental is on the newer Cd-4 platform (Edge, and MKX) and the Flex, as well as the Explorer, the Lincoln MKT, and now defunct Taurus share the old D4 floor pans, etc., I expect they will be also gone before long. It was tweaked from the first Volvo S-80 platform which Ford inherited when they bought Volvo. Not to say they will all be discontinued, but redone like the Edge was, and or renamed as well.
Town Car
I'm 6'6" so many cars don't fit me. I drive a 21 year old Lincoln Town Car and love every minute. Paid $1,750 almost 3 years ago and will drive it until the transmission drops out of it. Hoping to get another 50,000 miles! When it dies, I'll buy another Town Car. Hopefully find another good 1995-1997. I had a 2003 and it was not near the car my 1997 is.
I am sad to see American car manufacturers leave the sedan segment.
I'm 6'6" so many cars don't fit me. I drive a 21 year old Lincoln Town Car and love every minute. Paid $1,750 almost 3 years ago and will drive it until the transmission drops out of it. Hoping to get another 50,000 miles! When it dies, I'll buy another Town Car. Hopefully find another good 1995-1997. I had a 2003 and it was not near the car my 1997 is.
I am sad to see American car manufacturers leave the sedan segment.
justjunque
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Kskenmore
Agreed. The '95 to '97 Town Cars are some of my favorites.
I also love the style that ran up until maybe 1987 or '88.
Of course, ten years older, ten years more wear and tear/problems.
Back in my show car days, I once had a '77 Ford LTD Landau for a winter car, which always looked and felt somewhat "Lincolny" to me. I loved that car. To heck with the haters!
In the rust belt, or wherever I live, those Fords were notorious for rear bumper rust.
About a block away from work one morning, mine plum fell off in the middle of the road.
I went back, put it in the trunk, and went on to work.
At least I think that was me.
I've been home from work sick since last Friday, and I think I might be starting to lose what's left of my mind.
Barry
Agreed. The '95 to '97 Town Cars are some of my favorites.
I also love the style that ran up until maybe 1987 or '88.
Of course, ten years older, ten years more wear and tear/problems.
Back in my show car days, I once had a '77 Ford LTD Landau for a winter car, which always looked and felt somewhat "Lincolny" to me. I loved that car. To heck with the haters!
In the rust belt, or wherever I live, those Fords were notorious for rear bumper rust.
About a block away from work one morning, mine plum fell off in the middle of the road.
I went back, put it in the trunk, and went on to work.
At least I think that was me.
I've been home from work sick since last Friday, and I think I might be starting to lose what's left of my mind.
Barry
fan-of-fans
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"Also seats 7. However, as the new Continental is on the newer Cd-4 platform (Edge, and MKX) and the Flex, as well as the Explorer, the Lincoln MKT, and now defunct Taurus share the old D4 floor pans, etc., I expect they will be also gone before long. It was tweaked from the first Volvo S-80 platform which Ford inherited when they bought Volvo. Not to say they will all be discontinued, but redone like the Edge was, and or renamed as well."
Technically the Taurus is being made until next March so not quite defunct, but I know what you mean.
I'm considering a used Taurus for my next car. I'm just waiting for a dealership to get a used Limited so I can see how they drive and if I like it from the driver's seat. That and a Fusion.
I like the Explorer too but it's too big for what I need (and expensive).
Let's see, the Charger is still made, I had one for a rental, and I liked it overall. It just felt wide on the road because the body stuck out on each side like a 60s or 70s car. I could definitely tell it didn't get as good mileage as my Malibu but it's also a lot bigger.
It's annoying when parking in parking lots these days with so many large vehicles next to you. I tend to park where there are more open spaces to avoid problems backing up, but usually when I come out, I'll find a big truck or SUV has parked next to me and blocks the view of who is coming.
Supposedly backup sensors help a lot with cross-traffic, but I don't know I trust all of these gadgets. If a car is zooming through the parking lot like many these days with no regard for pedestrians or drivers, it's be too fast for any sensor to help.
Technically the Taurus is being made until next March so not quite defunct, but I know what you mean.
I'm considering a used Taurus for my next car. I'm just waiting for a dealership to get a used Limited so I can see how they drive and if I like it from the driver's seat. That and a Fusion.
I like the Explorer too but it's too big for what I need (and expensive).
Let's see, the Charger is still made, I had one for a rental, and I liked it overall. It just felt wide on the road because the body stuck out on each side like a 60s or 70s car. I could definitely tell it didn't get as good mileage as my Malibu but it's also a lot bigger.
It's annoying when parking in parking lots these days with so many large vehicles next to you. I tend to park where there are more open spaces to avoid problems backing up, but usually when I come out, I'll find a big truck or SUV has parked next to me and blocks the view of who is coming.
Supposedly backup sensors help a lot with cross-traffic, but I don't know I trust all of these gadgets. If a car is zooming through the parking lot like many these days with no regard for pedestrians or drivers, it's be too fast for any sensor to help.
mieleforever
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I find this clip on You Tube, and its rather interesting to watch, but I think the European Auto industry is on rocky territory as well. Daimler-Benz already predicted a downward swing of things.
Regards,
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Barry
Sorry to hear you are home sick! Praying you get well soon!
The 70's Lincolns and Cadillacs are some of my favorites! A 1979 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance was my first car. Probably why I'm still in love with big old rwd sedans.
The 80's Lincolns do look good, but they are not fun to work on! They aren't near as reliable as the 90's and newer Town Cars. I think 1996 is the sweet spot for Town Cars. For 97 they de-contented them a bit. Losing the engine bay light, engine cover, Lincoln emblem in seats, trunk lock cover, lights in the reflective bar between tail lights... that's all I can think of for now.
Once I was driving my 79 Cadillac and the whole exhaust system fell off from behind the cat! Had to get that fixed in a hurry. The 425 V8 was noisy!
Sorry to hear you are home sick! Praying you get well soon!
The 70's Lincolns and Cadillacs are some of my favorites! A 1979 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance was my first car. Probably why I'm still in love with big old rwd sedans.
The 80's Lincolns do look good, but they are not fun to work on! They aren't near as reliable as the 90's and newer Town Cars. I think 1996 is the sweet spot for Town Cars. For 97 they de-contented them a bit. Losing the engine bay light, engine cover, Lincoln emblem in seats, trunk lock cover, lights in the reflective bar between tail lights... that's all I can think of for now.
Once I was driving my 79 Cadillac and the whole exhaust system fell off from behind the cat! Had to get that fixed in a hurry. The 425 V8 was noisy!
It's annoying when parking in parking lots these days with so many large vehicles next to you. I tend to park where there are more open spaces to avoid problems backing up, but usually when I come out, I'll find a big truck or SUV has parked next to me and blocks the view of who is coming.
Amen to that! I park in the parking garage at work and I back in so I don't get slammed trying to back out in the morning when people are running the Indy 500 trying to get out of that garage. Never fails someone whipped in on two wheels skinning it trying not to be late, park crooked, and too close. A couple of days ago I could barely get into my little Bug because of this. I'm about to order some of those "terrible parking award" cards and start handing them out!
Amen to that! I park in the parking garage at work and I back in so I don't get slammed trying to back out in the morning when people are running the Indy 500 trying to get out of that garage. Never fails someone whipped in on two wheels skinning it trying not to be late, park crooked, and too close. A couple of days ago I could barely get into my little Bug because of this. I'm about to order some of those "terrible parking award" cards and start handing them out!
firedome
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who is that Scotty idiot...
and why would anyone believe someone whose garage and yard look like a bomb went off in a junkyard? He acts like he's 3 sheets to the wind or maybe he just took his hit of meth for the day. Contrary to what he says, GM does makes some decent cars these days, and it IS about the market.
and why would anyone believe someone whose garage and yard look like a bomb went off in a junkyard? He acts like he's 3 sheets to the wind or maybe he just took his hit of meth for the day. Contrary to what he says, GM does makes some decent cars these days, and it IS about the market.
I guess we're going back to this...
Re: Reply#49
If only! Yes, technology is vastly improved today, but what craftsmenship they had back in the 30’s, 40’s, 50’s and early 60’s. To me, after 1967, the zenith of American automobiles, at least design wise, American cars took a dive in quality, and were never quite the same again.
And the simplicity compared to todays complicated, computerized automobiles is a thing of beauty too. Last time I had major service done on my 2007 Honda Civic, the dealer kindly gave me a brand new 2018 Civic as a loaner. The controls and dash are too distracting, and much of the stuff is just not necessary.
That touch screen crapola for the heater and AC, and audio is much more difficult to use than plain old fashioned knobs and buttons. And I believe, with the heavier traffic today, these things cause more distacted drivers and probably more accidents, that could otherwise have been avoided.
And back then many more people were able to do routine maintance and repairs on their own cars. Now not so much.
I guess I’m just officially an old geezer. LOL I want to drive my car, not have it drive me.
Eddie
If only! Yes, technology is vastly improved today, but what craftsmenship they had back in the 30’s, 40’s, 50’s and early 60’s. To me, after 1967, the zenith of American automobiles, at least design wise, American cars took a dive in quality, and were never quite the same again.
And the simplicity compared to todays complicated, computerized automobiles is a thing of beauty too. Last time I had major service done on my 2007 Honda Civic, the dealer kindly gave me a brand new 2018 Civic as a loaner. The controls and dash are too distracting, and much of the stuff is just not necessary.
That touch screen crapola for the heater and AC, and audio is much more difficult to use than plain old fashioned knobs and buttons. And I believe, with the heavier traffic today, these things cause more distacted drivers and probably more accidents, that could otherwise have been avoided.
And back then many more people were able to do routine maintance and repairs on their own cars. Now not so much.
I guess I’m just officially an old geezer. LOL I want to drive my car, not have it drive me.
Eddie
lordkenmore
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>And the simplicity compared to todays complicated, computerized automobiles is a thing of beauty too
No kidding.
I've heard so many complaints about new cars being too complex. And I feel overwhelmed, myself, just looking at the photo of a modern car's interior.
And yes, I also think touch screens are potentially too complicated/distracting for handling basic functions.
Oddly, though, I was talking with an owner of a 2009 Civic (which I mentioned above), and he's contemplating replacing the car in the coming months. I don't think he's thrilled at the complexity of a new car, but he did say that one plus he sees are new safety technologies that his current Civic lacks.
No kidding.
I've heard so many complaints about new cars being too complex. And I feel overwhelmed, myself, just looking at the photo of a modern car's interior.
And yes, I also think touch screens are potentially too complicated/distracting for handling basic functions.
Oddly, though, I was talking with an owner of a 2009 Civic (which I mentioned above), and he's contemplating replacing the car in the coming months. I don't think he's thrilled at the complexity of a new car, but he did say that one plus he sees are new safety technologies that his current Civic lacks.
I'm glad our MKS has an off setting for the radio/nav/climate/phone screen. I turn it off after dark because it's just too bright and glares at night even with it dimmed all the way. Ford programmed it to default back to on every time the car is turned off and restarted. GM didn't do that and in our previous Cadillacs it had to be turned back on manually every time. It used to make Tony so mad when I'd turn it off because he didn't know how to turn it back on. I actually liked the dash layout of our previous 2010 model better...it had knobs and buttons instead of touch pads and touch slide pads. Lincoln has already had to replace the module in our new one because it started turning the radio up by itself and they couldn't figure out why. I'd rather have an knob or actual button.
Face it: We’re locked into vehicles which are apt to be more expensive, in my case payment-wise, heavier on the road, therefore the licensing becoming more expensive, and as my pay seemingly goes down, without working ever more, my insurance goes up...
— Dave
— Dave
fan-of-fans
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"I'm glad our MKS has an off setting for the radio/nav/climate/phone screen. I turn it off after dark because it's just too bright and glares at night even with it dimmed all the way. Ford programmed it to default back to on every time the car is turned off and restarted. GM didn't do that and in our previous Cadillacs it had to be turned back on manually every time. It used to make Tony so mad when I'd turn it off because he didn't know how to turn it back on. I actually liked the dash layout of our previous 2010 model better...it had knobs and buttons instead of touch pads and touch slide pads."
I just got a Taurus and drove tonight and the bright white radio screen was about to blind me. I figured out it has a night setting similar to some forums, which makes black background which is much better on eyes. It was set to auto but for some reason it doesn't seem to change when the headlights are on.
Gosh I hope I don't have problems with this one. I came from a 2001 Malibu which was so much simpler to change a/c or radio settings and not all these gizmos and doo dads. LOL This Taurus just has the touch screen or a black panel with flat buttons to change the radio/climate settings. There's a knob for the volume but that's it. A lot of fiddly stuff, makes me wonder if I should have gotten an SE or SEL with just knobs instead. But you still can't get away from all the electronic stuff on any car these days it seems. Yet I think the radio on that Malibu sounded better than this Sony system on a Taurus. lol
I'll get used to it, I keep telling myself I bought this because it would be fun... now I just have to get used to driving it.
I just got a Taurus and drove tonight and the bright white radio screen was about to blind me. I figured out it has a night setting similar to some forums, which makes black background which is much better on eyes. It was set to auto but for some reason it doesn't seem to change when the headlights are on.
Gosh I hope I don't have problems with this one. I came from a 2001 Malibu which was so much simpler to change a/c or radio settings and not all these gizmos and doo dads. LOL This Taurus just has the touch screen or a black panel with flat buttons to change the radio/climate settings. There's a knob for the volume but that's it. A lot of fiddly stuff, makes me wonder if I should have gotten an SE or SEL with just knobs instead. But you still can't get away from all the electronic stuff on any car these days it seems. Yet I think the radio on that Malibu sounded better than this Sony system on a Taurus. lol
I'll get used to it, I keep telling myself I bought this because it would be fun... now I just have to get used to driving it.
justjunque
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Cole,
Congratulations on the new car.
Is it new new, or new to you?
I drive a 2012 Ford Focus at work, and after a couple of years in it, I still haven't figured out all of the controls in the center of the dash.
It's not a touch screen system, but there's just buttons galore.
I'm sure the owners manual would be helpful, but they bought the car used, and the manual didn't come with it.
Barry
Congratulations on the new car.
Is it new new, or new to you?
I drive a 2012 Ford Focus at work, and after a couple of years in it, I still haven't figured out all of the controls in the center of the dash.
It's not a touch screen system, but there's just buttons galore.
I'm sure the owners manual would be helpful, but they bought the car used, and the manual didn't come with it.
Barry
fan-of-fans
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Thanks Barry. It's a 2016, but only has 13,000 miles and still smells and looks new (other than a few little marks on the bumper and door handle). I don't plan to ever buy a brand new car. My first car was 9 years old and had just over 20,000 miles. It was a simple car but I loved it.
I haven't figured out probably half the stuff on this Taurus. I looked at the window sticker and it has everything BUT AWD. It's a little hard to take in, because we never had much more than a base to mid range equipped car. And I don't know if I like it all or not. I'm not bragging, as I don't find all the gadgets something to boast over.
The backup camera I find really useful and the sensors that alert if someone is coming into your path. And the mirrors have the blind spot warning lights which helps, because what I don't like is this car has BIG blind spots in the back pillars. I wish they had made this like the Fusion or any previous Taurus and put the little quarter windows back there.
I test drove a 2016 Fusion too which was a beautiful car and I really liked it too. But I thought the Taurus handled smoother and I was used to a V6 since that's what I had before. It also wasn't much more than the Fusion of the same year. The Fusion was just about as complicated.
A friend of mine has a Focus hatchback. Seems like a good car, I looked at one but it sold before I could test drive it. I heard bad things about the newer Focus transmissions though, so I kind of decided to stick with a Fusion or Taurus.
I hope to have this car for 10 years at least. We will see how it lasts. Crossing my fingers.
I haven't figured out probably half the stuff on this Taurus. I looked at the window sticker and it has everything BUT AWD. It's a little hard to take in, because we never had much more than a base to mid range equipped car. And I don't know if I like it all or not. I'm not bragging, as I don't find all the gadgets something to boast over.
The backup camera I find really useful and the sensors that alert if someone is coming into your path. And the mirrors have the blind spot warning lights which helps, because what I don't like is this car has BIG blind spots in the back pillars. I wish they had made this like the Fusion or any previous Taurus and put the little quarter windows back there.
I test drove a 2016 Fusion too which was a beautiful car and I really liked it too. But I thought the Taurus handled smoother and I was used to a V6 since that's what I had before. It also wasn't much more than the Fusion of the same year. The Fusion was just about as complicated.
A friend of mine has a Focus hatchback. Seems like a good car, I looked at one but it sold before I could test drive it. I heard bad things about the newer Focus transmissions though, so I kind of decided to stick with a Fusion or Taurus.
I hope to have this car for 10 years at least. We will see how it lasts. Crossing my fingers.
lordkenmore
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I'm pretty sure 2016 is beyond complicated...
I know someone who has some sort of new Toyota, and she was complaining about the complexity. I think her approach is to learn just what she needs/wants to know, and forget the rest.
I rode about 9 years ago in one woman's Focus. I can't remember how old it was at the time. But I was actually impressed by what I saw of that car. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who was biased towards foreign makes. That Focus was far better than the cheap small Fords of the 80s. No idea what newer Focus models are like, though.
As for transmissions...I'm surprised at how many automatic transmission problems I hear about, and from companies that I'd never guess have a problem. Honda, for example, although Honda isn't apparently the company it was in the 80s. That said...I've also heard that a lot depends on how the transmission is treated. There are people who have a "known weak" transmission, and yet had zero problems with even significant miles. They've maintained the transmission aggressively, and they have driven sanely.
If you carefully maintain the Taurus, and treat it well, I think it's reasonable to expect 10 years. Certainly, at the least, barring any horrific design flaws, I'd guess it should go 100K miles with little trouble.
Then, in 10 years, you can replace it... And if cars keep changing as they are, you can then come here to talk about how much more complicated the 2026 car is compared to your simple Taurus. LOL
I know someone who has some sort of new Toyota, and she was complaining about the complexity. I think her approach is to learn just what she needs/wants to know, and forget the rest.
I rode about 9 years ago in one woman's Focus. I can't remember how old it was at the time. But I was actually impressed by what I saw of that car. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who was biased towards foreign makes. That Focus was far better than the cheap small Fords of the 80s. No idea what newer Focus models are like, though.
As for transmissions...I'm surprised at how many automatic transmission problems I hear about, and from companies that I'd never guess have a problem. Honda, for example, although Honda isn't apparently the company it was in the 80s. That said...I've also heard that a lot depends on how the transmission is treated. There are people who have a "known weak" transmission, and yet had zero problems with even significant miles. They've maintained the transmission aggressively, and they have driven sanely.
If you carefully maintain the Taurus, and treat it well, I think it's reasonable to expect 10 years. Certainly, at the least, barring any horrific design flaws, I'd guess it should go 100K miles with little trouble.
Then, in 10 years, you can replace it... And if cars keep changing as they are, you can then come here to talk about how much more complicated the 2026 car is compared to your simple Taurus. LOL
justjunque
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Focus transmission
Yeah. The one I drive at work had that issue.
It would buck on take-off like someone trying to learn how to drive a manual transmission.
Then, sometimes it would just randomly downshift while you're driving.
At one point, it lost reverse completely.
Ford did extend the warranty on the transmission out to something like 150,000 miles.
It went back to the dealer a few times before they got it right, but it drives nice now.
It's horrible in snow, but you probably wouldn't have to worry about that in FL.
I'm told that it's better if you turn off the traction control.
If I'm unfortunate enough to have to drive it in snow again, I'll have to try that.
I hope you really enjoy your Taurus once you get through the learning curve!
Barry
Yeah. The one I drive at work had that issue.
It would buck on take-off like someone trying to learn how to drive a manual transmission.
Then, sometimes it would just randomly downshift while you're driving.
At one point, it lost reverse completely.
Ford did extend the warranty on the transmission out to something like 150,000 miles.
It went back to the dealer a few times before they got it right, but it drives nice now.
It's horrible in snow, but you probably wouldn't have to worry about that in FL.
I'm told that it's better if you turn off the traction control.
If I'm unfortunate enough to have to drive it in snow again, I'll have to try that.
I hope you really enjoy your Taurus once you get through the learning curve!
Barry
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