veg-o-matic
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Now ain't that purty! Love the cornice over the sink.
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Very pretty indeed!
I love the "patio kitchen" - I'm surprised you don't already have a dishwasher out there already! That Compact 30 is very nice as well. The KDC-17 will be perfect for a second dishwasher - you can even remove the top rack for very large items.
sudsmaster
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Thanks for the compiments. The cornice over the sink conceals a recessed light fixture. It has a compact flourescent bulb in it now, of course. The mirror over the sink does a nice job of creating the illusion of a window, except of course for one's own reflection in it. Oddly, I rarely notice the self-reflection in it. Just above the cornice is a pink plastic PeeWee Herman lunchbox, complete with wide-mouth plastic Thermos bottle.
The Compact 30 is a very well made thick flat coil GM Frigidaire electric range. It's in good shape, but the clock tower has a cracked plastic bezel and the clock doesn't work any more, and the left front big burner doesn't heat below the high setting (not a coil issue, probably a control issue). I'm planning on replacing the electric range with an 80's vintage black Modern Maid drop-in gas range I have waiting in storage. The wait part involves extending the gas line under the house out to this location. But the last time I had gas line work done, I had the plumber install a "T" on the line nearest that location, so it would be easier to run something out there. The biggest challenge will be to figure out where to put the gas line shut-off valve for the range. It might have to go under the sink.
The Compact 30 is a very well made thick flat coil GM Frigidaire electric range. It's in good shape, but the clock tower has a cracked plastic bezel and the clock doesn't work any more, and the left front big burner doesn't heat below the high setting (not a coil issue, probably a control issue). I'm planning on replacing the electric range with an 80's vintage black Modern Maid drop-in gas range I have waiting in storage. The wait part involves extending the gas line under the house out to this location. But the last time I had gas line work done, I had the plumber install a "T" on the line nearest that location, so it would be easier to run something out there. The biggest challenge will be to figure out where to put the gas line shut-off valve for the range. It might have to go under the sink.
Brent-Aucoin
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Hello all,
Thanks to Ralph on his post of a Kitchen Aid on Craigs list, I decided to call and find out about it. It was located in Norcross Georgia, about 20 miles north of me.
Well, when I get there, the guy has two. One is an Imperial in Yellow, and the other is a Supurba in Black.
I bought the Supruba, and talked him down to $25. It is in good shape. It was actually taken out of his house.
It is a KDS-18. Tell me some info on this one.
Can anyone tell me what year this was from? I ran it in the garage at my house, and was happy with how quiet it was.
All in all, I just can't wait to replace the Maytag "Quiet Series 300" that I have. It is the three rack thing. It just takes way to long to wash! Does a good job, and is quiet, but takes way to long. I think the "quick wash" is 70 minutes.
Also, I want to change the color of the Supurba to White. Awhile back I was somewhere, and I saw very thin metal that was painted in different colors, that you could cut to your needs. I remember thinking that this would be perfect to change colors of dishwashers and such. I don't remember where this was at. Have you all ever ran into this stuff? And if so, remind me where it is?
I love Dishwasher talk, and am so glad that I found this one.
Kind of thinking about going back and getting the Imperial just to save it.
Thanks all
Brent
Thanks to Ralph on his post of a Kitchen Aid on Craigs list, I decided to call and find out about it. It was located in Norcross Georgia, about 20 miles north of me.
Well, when I get there, the guy has two. One is an Imperial in Yellow, and the other is a Supurba in Black.
I bought the Supruba, and talked him down to $25. It is in good shape. It was actually taken out of his house.
It is a KDS-18. Tell me some info on this one.
Can anyone tell me what year this was from? I ran it in the garage at my house, and was happy with how quiet it was.
All in all, I just can't wait to replace the Maytag "Quiet Series 300" that I have. It is the three rack thing. It just takes way to long to wash! Does a good job, and is quiet, but takes way to long. I think the "quick wash" is 70 minutes.
Also, I want to change the color of the Supurba to White. Awhile back I was somewhere, and I saw very thin metal that was painted in different colors, that you could cut to your needs. I remember thinking that this would be perfect to change colors of dishwashers and such. I don't remember where this was at. Have you all ever ran into this stuff? And if so, remind me where it is?
I love Dishwasher talk, and am so glad that I found this one.
Kind of thinking about going back and getting the Imperial just to save it.
Thanks all
Brent
bobbyderegis
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Does anyone have any info on Hobart disposers? For years they were sold under the KA name, then WP decided to use ISE disposers under the KA name. (Don't get me going on WP!) Viking was selling the Hobart disposers but they have since stopped. Are they just NLA or did another company pick them up? I loved my '86 KA Superba disposer and would love to find another!
Bobby in Boston
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deeptub
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Bobby, I noticed that Viking seems to have ISE disposers now. However, they still have the Wham-Jam/Jaminator buttons and fixed cutters on the flywheels. I wonder if they are still essentially the KA design but they've switched to the ISE-style mounting (possibly for cost cutting) or maybe they've contracted with ISE to make a disposer to their specs? Because, apart from the mounting change, the specs still sound like a KA.
Hmmm...
T.
Hmmm...
T.
(Don't get me going on WP!)
Why,..what's the beef with Whirlpool?
Why,..what's the beef with Whirlpool?
deeptub
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Brent, your KDS-18 is from approx. 1976-1979 and was the first KitchenAid model with a washarm below the upper rack. Unfortunately, they made that washarm rather small, and it doesn't wash things in the corners of the rack very well--if at all. They rectified this on the KDS-19 with a full-size arm that was essentially the width of the rack. Your machine may have already been updated with a newer rack. If not, you'll want to do that. In fact, the yellow Imperial might be a possible source of that rack, depending on what model it is. If you can't find one, I *MIGHT* have all the parts to convert your present rack.
KA made many other changes in the switch from the 17 to 18 series. They redesigned the pump to have a lower profile (so the tub could be taller), they switched to a drain valve that was less likely to jam open, they redesigned the door hinges to be sturdier, moved the door seal from the door to the jamb, etc. It was also the first Superba to have its timer behind the control panel rather than in the motor compartment.
Your Superba has a long Soak & Scrub cycle which does an excellent job on impossibly dirty pans with today's enzyme detergents--mine is always impressing me with things I was sure it wouldn't get clean. It uses a triple-fill of detergent--you fill and close both dispensers and then put about 2 tablespoons of detergent in the indentation that closing the covers reveals. It is 104 minutes long (all cycle times are estimates--I haven't looked at the manual in awhile).
The Normal Wash cycle is 68 minutes and consists of 2 partial-fill prerinses, a prewash, a main wash, and three rinses--the last being a partial fill. (The two partial fill prerinses are "fast forwarded" variations of the soak & scrub segments of the soak & scrub cycle, courtesy of the rapid advance timer.)
The Sani Cycle is the same as the Normal Wash cycle, but the final partial-fill rinse is heated to 180 degrees. The pump stops and the SANI light comes on while the water heats. It's length is the same time as Normal plus however long it takes to heat the water.
Rinse Hold is a single rinse plus a lot of timer rapid-advancing.
Short Wash is (I think) 37 minutes, and consists of a prerinse, a shortened main wash, and two final rinses (the last a partial fill). There is much rapid-advancing through various parts of this cycle. You only fill and close the Main Wash dispenser for this cycle.
Plate Warm is a lot of rapid advancing to the dry portion of the cycle, for warming plates.
It's important to have your water heater set rather hot--I have mine at 135, and it seems to work very well. The water heating element is energized at half-power (700W) during many parts of the cycles (soaks, main wash, etc) to maintain water temp, but it is not thermostatically controlled.
If you take the front panel off the door, there should be a schematic wiring diagram that also has a cycle chart. It's one of the most complex I've seen.
I think that's all there is to know about this machine. Someone else please fill in any gaps in my knowledge!
T.
KA made many other changes in the switch from the 17 to 18 series. They redesigned the pump to have a lower profile (so the tub could be taller), they switched to a drain valve that was less likely to jam open, they redesigned the door hinges to be sturdier, moved the door seal from the door to the jamb, etc. It was also the first Superba to have its timer behind the control panel rather than in the motor compartment.
Your Superba has a long Soak & Scrub cycle which does an excellent job on impossibly dirty pans with today's enzyme detergents--mine is always impressing me with things I was sure it wouldn't get clean. It uses a triple-fill of detergent--you fill and close both dispensers and then put about 2 tablespoons of detergent in the indentation that closing the covers reveals. It is 104 minutes long (all cycle times are estimates--I haven't looked at the manual in awhile).
The Normal Wash cycle is 68 minutes and consists of 2 partial-fill prerinses, a prewash, a main wash, and three rinses--the last being a partial fill. (The two partial fill prerinses are "fast forwarded" variations of the soak & scrub segments of the soak & scrub cycle, courtesy of the rapid advance timer.)
The Sani Cycle is the same as the Normal Wash cycle, but the final partial-fill rinse is heated to 180 degrees. The pump stops and the SANI light comes on while the water heats. It's length is the same time as Normal plus however long it takes to heat the water.
Rinse Hold is a single rinse plus a lot of timer rapid-advancing.
Short Wash is (I think) 37 minutes, and consists of a prerinse, a shortened main wash, and two final rinses (the last a partial fill). There is much rapid-advancing through various parts of this cycle. You only fill and close the Main Wash dispenser for this cycle.
Plate Warm is a lot of rapid advancing to the dry portion of the cycle, for warming plates.
It's important to have your water heater set rather hot--I have mine at 135, and it seems to work very well. The water heating element is energized at half-power (700W) during many parts of the cycles (soaks, main wash, etc) to maintain water temp, but it is not thermostatically controlled.
If you take the front panel off the door, there should be a schematic wiring diagram that also has a cycle chart. It's one of the most complex I've seen.
I think that's all there is to know about this machine. Someone else please fill in any gaps in my knowledge!
T.
Brent-Aucoin
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Thank you so much for sharing all of your knowledge to this model! Your description about all of the cycles makes me very excited to use it.
I can't wait to get it going and hook it up as my main dishwasher.
I looked at the upper spray arm, and it is the smaller one.
I am thinking about calling the guy that sold me this one, and picking up the Imperial just to have, and use for parts if ever need be.
Brent
I can't wait to get it going and hook it up as my main dishwasher.
I looked at the upper spray arm, and it is the smaller one.
I am thinking about calling the guy that sold me this one, and picking up the Imperial just to have, and use for parts if ever need be.
Brent
filterflo
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Hey Brent, I might have the owners manual for your dishwasher if you want it. Is it a KDS-18? Let me know and I will look thru my stash.........
Brent that would be a very good move.
Tom, I just love to listen when you talk!!!!!
Tom, I just love to listen when you talk!!!!!
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Jimmy,
Thanks so much for looking for me on the manual.
Yes it is a KDS-18.
Am I dreaming, or did you find a KDS-18 when I was there at your home a few years back? I know that you picked a KA, but was not clear if it was a KDS-18.
I just thought that I read a post that talked about you using changing your DW to a KitchenAid in your kitchen.
If you did, did you change the color of it? I know you love your turquoise, and it looked so great in your kitchen. If you did change the color, how easy was it. I just want it to be white. It is black as of now. Do share your trick.
Also, does your Kitchenaid have the smaller upper wash arm? What are you thoughts about it.
I am so excited about using a Kitchenaid of this vintage again. Never thought that I would find one. Usually here, everyone holds onto their Kitchenaids.
Bob, I agree with you, I can't wait to change out the Maytag for this one!
Thanks all for you info and interest!
Brent
Thanks so much for looking for me on the manual.
Yes it is a KDS-18.
Am I dreaming, or did you find a KDS-18 when I was there at your home a few years back? I know that you picked a KA, but was not clear if it was a KDS-18.
I just thought that I read a post that talked about you using changing your DW to a KitchenAid in your kitchen.
If you did, did you change the color of it? I know you love your turquoise, and it looked so great in your kitchen. If you did change the color, how easy was it. I just want it to be white. It is black as of now. Do share your trick.
Also, does your Kitchenaid have the smaller upper wash arm? What are you thoughts about it.
I am so excited about using a Kitchenaid of this vintage again. Never thought that I would find one. Usually here, everyone holds onto their Kitchenaids.
Bob, I agree with you, I can't wait to change out the Maytag for this one!
Thanks all for you info and interest!
Brent
filterflo
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Yes Brent, I got a KDS-18 that Myra gave me. It was a working dishwasher, but barely. I rebuilt the pump, replaced the wash arm, arm support, and finally the timer, so at this point its almost a brand new machine. I had aquired it to replace the 1953 GE Roll Out dishwasher that I had. I loved that too, but man the difference in performance....well there is no comparision. The KDS-18 was originally white, but I painted it aqua. I went to ACE Hardware and got a can of aqua spray enamel and a can of grey primer. The first thing to remember when painting is to always prep the surface well. SAND it before, make sure its clean. I removed the panels to sand and paint them.
I laid them flat, on top of a couple of old paint cans. This is very important! You wont get any runs if the panels are laying FLAT and if you give several coats of light spray. I was quite pleased with the outcome.........Judge for yourself! I love this dishwasher and yes it does have the smaller wash arm, but in all honesty, it performs very well. I have had several of these thru the years in different houses that I have lived in, and its just about my favorite dishwasher.
I laid them flat, on top of a couple of old paint cans. This is very important! You wont get any runs if the panels are laying FLAT and if you give several coats of light spray. I was quite pleased with the outcome.........Judge for yourself! I love this dishwasher and yes it does have the smaller wash arm, but in all honesty, it performs very well. I have had several of these thru the years in different houses that I have lived in, and its just about my favorite dishwasher.
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KDS-18 Buttons,,,,,
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Cycle Lights.........
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Rinsed Only.........love this light and feature!
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Racks........
Brent-Aucoin
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Jimmy,
Your dishwasher looks so great! I am getting so excited!
So funny about the smaller wash arm. For many, many years most of the KitchenAids that I had were the models with just the lower arm. It always did a super job. So I am not all that worried about the smaller wash arm.
I was somewhere awhile back, and there were these very thin sheets of metal that were painted in different colors. They were cut to your needs. I remember thinking that this would be great for dishwasher fronts. Can't remember where in the world this was at.
Have you ever seen these out and about?
Thanks so much for the pictures Jimmy!
I just love your kitchen!
Brent
Your dishwasher looks so great! I am getting so excited!
So funny about the smaller wash arm. For many, many years most of the KitchenAids that I had were the models with just the lower arm. It always did a super job. So I am not all that worried about the smaller wash arm.
I was somewhere awhile back, and there were these very thin sheets of metal that were painted in different colors. They were cut to your needs. I remember thinking that this would be great for dishwasher fronts. Can't remember where in the world this was at.
Have you ever seen these out and about?
Thanks so much for the pictures Jimmy!
I just love your kitchen!
Brent
KA
I had bought this dishwasher in 1978 in avocado greeen..a portable. Wish I had it now. Didn't this dw have the upper 'shower tower' too? Why was this eliminated?
I had bought this dishwasher in 1978 in avocado greeen..a portable. Wish I had it now. Didn't this dw have the upper 'shower tower' too? Why was this eliminated?
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Racking
When did KA change the racking so that dinner plates were placed front to back on the left hand side. It looks like filterflo's still has the center area for racking dinner plates. I always liked that arrangement the best. I loved the KA ads in magazines that showed them fully loaded and everything was perfectly placed. I've also always loved the silverware in the front as it was so easy to just open the door a little bit and drop in a fork or two.
When did KA change the racking so that dinner plates were placed front to back on the left hand side. It looks like filterflo's still has the center area for racking dinner plates. I always liked that arrangement the best. I loved the KA ads in magazines that showed them fully loaded and everything was perfectly placed. I've also always loved the silverware in the front as it was so easy to just open the door a little bit and drop in a fork or two.
mrcleanjeans
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not so constant rinse
the overhead constant rinse was renamed constant wash-rinse on the 18 series and was eliminated on the dreaded 19 series,perhaps because people often knocked it off accidently, also the 18 series was the 1st to have the side plate arrangement,though Gary still put things down the middle anyway.Great machine Gary as long as you leave the corners of the lower rack free so the 4-way HydroSweep can get those upper rack corners,since the upper level power wash arm did not extend to the sides far enough.In that one respect only,the 19 was an improvement with its wide upper arm.
the overhead constant rinse was renamed constant wash-rinse on the 18 series and was eliminated on the dreaded 19 series,perhaps because people often knocked it off accidently, also the 18 series was the 1st to have the side plate arrangement,though Gary still put things down the middle anyway.Great machine Gary as long as you leave the corners of the lower rack free so the 4-way HydroSweep can get those upper rack corners,since the upper level power wash arm did not extend to the sides far enough.In that one respect only,the 19 was an improvement with its wide upper arm.
The rack was dedesigned when KA came out with the 18 series about 1974 or so that had a wash arm under the top rack. Personally, I felt the plates down the center was a bid deceiving. I cannot tell you how many loads I've seen run in those older raqcks with mostly dinner plates and not much else. The darn thing looked full when it really wasn't. What a waste. At least with the plates going down the left side back to front, the right side allowed for not onlhy smaller plates but also pots, pans, and bowls.
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get a load of this
Bob,you're right.But the 18 came out in 1976,called the new load-as-you like series.
Bob,you're right.But the 18 came out in 1976,called the new load-as-you like series.
Parts Availability
Hi. I just picked up a mint condition KDS-17A today. It's in great shape...it was in house where it was barely used! Does anyone know of a source for door panels? This one has avacado green panels in mint condition! I am looking for stainless steel (which was on my mom's KDI-17). Any leads would be appreciated. I am willing to trade the avacado panels if someone has stainless steel ones in good shape...i'll even pay the shipping. Thanks for any leads!
Oh, the Aqua KDS-18 is very nice! Have fun!
Hi. I just picked up a mint condition KDS-17A today. It's in great shape...it was in house where it was barely used! Does anyone know of a source for door panels? This one has avacado green panels in mint condition! I am looking for stainless steel (which was on my mom's KDI-17). Any leads would be appreciated. I am willing to trade the avacado panels if someone has stainless steel ones in good shape...i'll even pay the shipping. Thanks for any leads!
Oh, the Aqua KDS-18 is very nice! Have fun!
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