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Found in my feed, look what reminds me of my 1997/1998 model Model T LOL.
Found in my feed, look what reminds me of my 1997/1998 model Model T LOL.
Most Maddening Washer Commerical
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Well so far this laundry hasn't replaced its over-worked GE filter-flo which they feel can by over-sudsing and doesn't even need the lint filter put in place...
And just how much Calgon does this place use, or get out of one small family sized box that lady customer just needs, for herself doing her own laundry, to get her own laundry set at home...
-- Dave
And just how much Calgon does this place use, or get out of one small family sized box that lady customer just needs, for herself doing her own laundry, to get her own laundry set at home...
-- Dave
chetlaham
Imagine what the demo video would show how it actually washes. That double knock was more pronounced, especially when doing a load of whites with hot water and bleach.
Imagine what the demo video would show how it actually washes. That double knock was more pronounced, especially when doing a load of whites with hot water and bleach.
The whole outer tub and motor mount shook back and forth each stroke of the agitator. No thank you.
technology
I believe it was Whirlpool who had the most advanced technology when coming up with their direct drive washer. GE just pretty much copied them while their washers shook violently during agitation. I would've expected it to shake during the spin cycle. Whirlpool and Maytag sounded silky smooth compared to GE. GE just sounded like constantly screeching while it ran at high speed.
I believe it was Whirlpool who had the most advanced technology when coming up with their direct drive washer. GE just pretty much copied them while their washers shook violently during agitation. I would've expected it to shake during the spin cycle. Whirlpool and Maytag sounded silky smooth compared to GE. GE just sounded like constantly screeching while it ran at high speed.
This post was supposed to be about commercials of the products, not another argument about machines you like and dislike and should have done this.
commercials
Well, the commercials didn't fit the actual product. That's what's the most maddening thing about them. I could see if it backed up what the commercials said.
Well, the commercials didn't fit the actual product. That's what's the most maddening thing about them. I could see if it backed up what the commercials said.
I would have totally skipped this post but thinking it was about tv ads from the heading, I should have known you two were taking it over again and going on and on about nothing constructive.
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Don't forget about the sawing noise it would make when brand new. That noise was awful!
Don't forget about the sawing noise it would make when brand new. That noise was awful!
Sawing Noise
I remember that on their 2002 onward models on the sales floor. Push the tub and the suspension sockets would screech and groan. Awful noise, truly the epitome of GE didn't care. At least it warned people they were buying a demon lol.
I remember that on their 2002 onward models on the sales floor. Push the tub and the suspension sockets would screech and groan. Awful noise, truly the epitome of GE didn't care. At least it warned people they were buying a demon lol.
sawing
It even did that noise when you first did your first regular load. Far cry from what these commercials on these depicted. If a washer and dryer can't live by the commercials, then they have absolutely no business being sold.
It even did that noise when you first did your first regular load. Far cry from what these commercials on these depicted. If a washer and dryer can't live by the commercials, then they have absolutely no business being sold.
The pre 2002/2003 model suspension sockets themselves didn't really screech, it was after 2002 that they started to have this problem which gradually became worse toward the end of the 2000s. The 1998 models at had silent suspension sockets. Thats not to say the frame itself didn't screech as it was pulled around by the snubbers being violently tugged at. It was not uncommon for those would break where the tub would hit the cabinet during spin.
The first model Ts came out in the mid 90s. The oldest model Ts would be 30 years old today. The Model T is based on a 60s design based off a 40s concept.
OK, I’ll Bite Chet
What 60s washer was the 1995 GE T model based on and better yet what 1940s washer was the T model GE based on?
I think you’re playing on that AI crap too much again, but you’re definitely having some weird dreams.
John
What 60s washer was the 1995 GE T model based on and better yet what 1940s washer was the T model GE based on?
I think you’re playing on that AI crap too much again, but you’re definitely having some weird dreams.
John
The GE Portable and Compact Hitachi washers sold in the 70s were based on a 60s design developed in Asia, while the hanging suspension with snubber was invented by Whirlpool in the 40s.
GET model washers
They did use the excellent hanging suspension from those Hitachi machines that’s probably true other than that there’s no similarity the model machines had a real transmission clutch, etc.
It’s kind of a stretch to claim that the T model washers had anything to do with the 1949 whirlpool automatic with hanging suspension, it is true that machines with hanging suspensions generally have much better cabinet structure, and of course, the great majority of washing machines ever built, including almost every front loader has a hanging suspension system.
John
They did use the excellent hanging suspension from those Hitachi machines that’s probably true other than that there’s no similarity the model machines had a real transmission clutch, etc.
It’s kind of a stretch to claim that the T model washers had anything to do with the 1949 whirlpool automatic with hanging suspension, it is true that machines with hanging suspensions generally have much better cabinet structure, and of course, the great majority of washing machines ever built, including almost every front loader has a hanging suspension system.
John
You say its a stretch then contradict yourself by saying both the model T and Whirlpool belt drive used a hanging suspension. Truth is all 3 model T, Hitachi and WP BD used a hanging suspension along with a tub snubber.
Most washers Norge, Speed Queen, Frigidaire, Westinghouse, Maytag, Goodman, Ratheon, Direct Drive, ect relied on a bottom mount suspension which is in my opinion superior.
Hard mount front load drums don't hang from the cabinet.
Most washers Norge, Speed Queen, Frigidaire, Westinghouse, Maytag, Goodman, Ratheon, Direct Drive, ect relied on a bottom mount suspension which is in my opinion superior.
Hard mount front load drums don't hang from the cabinet.
bottom mount suspension
And the bottom mount suspension certainly doesn't screech and violate your ears like GE does. They're always stable when they agitate unlike GE model t will ever be!
And the bottom mount suspension certainly doesn't screech and violate your ears like GE does. They're always stable when they agitate unlike GE model t will ever be!
Oh, much indeed. The most silent and stable washers all had a bottom mount suspension. Quiet, smooth agitation and shake free spin.
My Speed Queen is the best example of this, you can set cups on top of the machine during agitation and it handle moderate off balance loads the best. I can sit in the room directly across from the laundry and not feel a thing through the floor.
My Speed Queen is the best example of this, you can set cups on top of the machine during agitation and it handle moderate off balance loads the best. I can sit in the room directly across from the laundry and not feel a thing through the floor.
buttery smooth
I love Speed Queen Classic's buttery smooth agitation. I can put my ear to the top of the machine and realize that it's the most buttery smooth sounding machine I've ever heard in my lifetime. This is especially true when you compare it to GE.
I love Speed Queen Classic's buttery smooth agitation. I can put my ear to the top of the machine and realize that it's the most buttery smooth sounding machine I've ever heard in my lifetime. This is especially true when you compare it to GE.
Oh my goodness, can you please stop Jerome! We’ve heard about this who knows how many times.
Jerome claims to be blind, but I think Jerome is blind to reality. Literally keeps on repeating and rehashing the same thing over and over and over into infinity. It’s beginning to get BEYOND annoying and aggravating. I know I’ve posted a few times in threads in the archives, but this is beyond ridiculous and absurd.
Reminder, better to have quality posts, not quantity.
I’m almost considering on logging off and not posting for a solid month since Jerome is pushing me to the brink of losing my mental sanity. Going to create a thread about resurrecting my Whirlpool at some point, but that will probably be postponed to November. Since John was kind enough to send a parts timer, obligated to create a thread about giving my Whirlpool a new lease on life since that helped me repair the timer. Seriously getting to the point of taking a break from the site, no animosity towards anyone, just need a break from this repetitive-ness.
It’s a waste a time to keep dwelling on something that’s neither here nor there as this point.
Jerome claims to be blind, but I think Jerome is blind to reality. Literally keeps on repeating and rehashing the same thing over and over and over into infinity. It’s beginning to get BEYOND annoying and aggravating. I know I’ve posted a few times in threads in the archives, but this is beyond ridiculous and absurd.
Reminder, better to have quality posts, not quantity.
I’m almost considering on logging off and not posting for a solid month since Jerome is pushing me to the brink of losing my mental sanity. Going to create a thread about resurrecting my Whirlpool at some point, but that will probably be postponed to November. Since John was kind enough to send a parts timer, obligated to create a thread about giving my Whirlpool a new lease on life since that helped me repair the timer. Seriously getting to the point of taking a break from the site, no animosity towards anyone, just need a break from this repetitive-ness.
It’s a waste a time to keep dwelling on something that’s neither here nor there as this point.
Speed Queen is very smooth, and quiet. You can HEAR the water gently sloshing around, the outer tub and suspension tugs only slightly. Very pleasing, light and gentle on the ears. No scary screeching or self destruction noises.
Smooth Soothing agitation
Wow, now Jerome And Chet Are promoting the TR Speed Queen top load washers, there’s nothing particularly soothing about the TC models with all the noise they make with loud inefficient out of balance Split phase, The Noisi, water pump, idler pulley and crude belt and transmission. if you’re talking about smooth and soothing, you’re talking about the TR or of course, the Speed Queen front load machines.
John
Wow, now Jerome And Chet Are promoting the TR Speed Queen top load washers, there’s nothing particularly soothing about the TC models with all the noise they make with loud inefficient out of balance Split phase, The Noisi, water pump, idler pulley and crude belt and transmission. if you’re talking about smooth and soothing, you’re talking about the TR or of course, the Speed Queen front load machines.
John
Nope, listen to a TC compared to a Model T or even a direct drive. Much smoother. Pump isn't noisy, I don't hear it in agitation and it doesn't loudly gurgle during spin like a mode T pump. Belt isn't crude, its a name brand Goodyear which also acts as a clutch, ingenious.
If you really wanted to call things out, and I'm surprised you haven't said this already as its the only major flaw with TC Speed Queens, call out the tub brake on the TC. It bangs loudly every time the transmission reverses direction in agitation.
TR is much quieter in agitation than a TC, I'll give you that. Though its just not worth the agi tub design.
If you really wanted to call things out, and I'm surprised you haven't said this already as its the only major flaw with TC Speed Queens, call out the tub brake on the TC. It bangs loudly every time the transmission reverses direction in agitation.
TR is much quieter in agitation than a TC, I'll give you that. Though its just not worth the agi tub design.
Chet you bring criticism upon yourself because you’re trying to be completely anonymous but you can’t have any credibility if you don’t have credibility.
You’ve refused for years to even use a first name. Tell people what you actually do what your profession is what part of the world you live in, etc. etc.
All I can say is your poor parents are they still alive even.
You’ve refused for years to even use a first name. Tell people what you actually do what your profession is what part of the world you live in, etc. etc.
All I can say is your poor parents are they still alive even.
Nice try.
Given that you've threatened to blackmail other members along with your denigration of site users based on occupation, income, beliefs, history, likes/dislikes, disability, education, ect I'm not going to post any personally identifiable information about myself or any information that could be used against me. No matter how benign.
We both know the term credibility is not being used in a genuine sense. Rather as a motivator in getting me to reveal more about self in hopes of finding something or anything that could be used to invalidate me.
Never feed internet detractors.
Given that you've threatened to blackmail other members along with your denigration of site users based on occupation, income, beliefs, history, likes/dislikes, disability, education, ect I'm not going to post any personally identifiable information about myself or any information that could be used against me. No matter how benign.
We both know the term credibility is not being used in a genuine sense. Rather as a motivator in getting me to reveal more about self in hopes of finding something or anything that could be used to invalidate me.
Never feed internet detractors.
Reply #73 doesn’t make much, if any sense at all. If that particular model was based on something from the 1960’s, there would be a heck of lot more steel in the design along with a heavy cast iron transmission.
I know, I have a lot more mechanical experience since I have been through my Whirlpool countless times. The suspension system on the belt drives have essentially a rubber ball at the end of each of the 3 suspension rods that are held in firmly to the base, held in firmly at the top as well. There’s a snubber pad which puts pressure on the tub ring to hold the tub firmly in place along with dampening things a little.
Almost any of those GEs with the rod suspension or anything of today’s offerings simply don’t use a snubber or have rubber balls at either end of the suspension rods which are held firmly in place, don’t have a metal baseplate either to support the tub and transmission.
If those GEs really were based off of a 1940’s design, technology really, they would have a snubber and overall would have a stiffer suspension not to mention a lot more steel and iron in the design.
I may be in my mid 20’s, but have a lot more experience with those Whirlpool belt drives, older machines in general. Don’t have to have a lifetime of experience to have wisdom under your belt. From my experience, never turn down one’s wisdom or experience, even if it’s someone who’s a little younger but has more mechanical and electrical experience.
I know, I have a lot more mechanical experience since I have been through my Whirlpool countless times. The suspension system on the belt drives have essentially a rubber ball at the end of each of the 3 suspension rods that are held in firmly to the base, held in firmly at the top as well. There’s a snubber pad which puts pressure on the tub ring to hold the tub firmly in place along with dampening things a little.
Almost any of those GEs with the rod suspension or anything of today’s offerings simply don’t use a snubber or have rubber balls at either end of the suspension rods which are held firmly in place, don’t have a metal baseplate either to support the tub and transmission.
If those GEs really were based off of a 1940’s design, technology really, they would have a snubber and overall would have a stiffer suspension not to mention a lot more steel and iron in the design.
I may be in my mid 20’s, but have a lot more experience with those Whirlpool belt drives, older machines in general. Don’t have to have a lifetime of experience to have wisdom under your belt. From my experience, never turn down one’s wisdom or experience, even if it’s someone who’s a little younger but has more mechanical and electrical experience.
I am referring to the concept of hanging the cabinet from the frame- not the the transmission or other aspects.
You do have mechanical experience no doubt, however you claim that modern washers or Model Ts don't have a snubber. Model Ts do indeed have a snubber- of them in fact- which serve a similar purpose as Whirlpool's snubber in preventing the tub from moving to much or hitting the cabinet during spin under normal conditions.
WH1X2727
While GE calls them dampening straps, Whirlpool refers to them snubbers:
https://partsdr.com/part/326000047-...MI7rGd8vHRiAMV-E9HAR3KVQKGEAQYBCABEgIFzPD_BwE
All 4 point washers have these snubber straps.
As you've already mentioned, Whirlpool was the first to do hang their top load tub from the cabinet that I know of in the late 1940s.
Latter in the 60s Whirlpool's 3 rod rubber ball concept was refined in the Asian and latter Australian market to use 4 rods, having the tub rest on compression springs at the bottom of the machine, and a plastic ball socket at the top of the cabinet.
I recommend you research GE's Hitachi washers:
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?96701_6~1
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?86457
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?31435
The concept was then adapted to Whirlpool's compact and Portable washers. GE did the same with the Model Ts, however Model Ts used an actual transmission, self activating brake and clutch instead of a mode shifter splutch, reduction gear case, and solenoid actuated brake band.
All 5 machines original WP belt drive, world washers, model T and modern VMWs all hang from the cabinet.
[this post was last edited: 9/20/2024-11:04]
You do have mechanical experience no doubt, however you claim that modern washers or Model Ts don't have a snubber. Model Ts do indeed have a snubber- of them in fact- which serve a similar purpose as Whirlpool's snubber in preventing the tub from moving to much or hitting the cabinet during spin under normal conditions.
WH1X2727
While GE calls them dampening straps, Whirlpool refers to them snubbers:
https://partsdr.com/part/326000047-...MI7rGd8vHRiAMV-E9HAR3KVQKGEAQYBCABEgIFzPD_BwE
All 4 point washers have these snubber straps.
As you've already mentioned, Whirlpool was the first to do hang their top load tub from the cabinet that I know of in the late 1940s.
Latter in the 60s Whirlpool's 3 rod rubber ball concept was refined in the Asian and latter Australian market to use 4 rods, having the tub rest on compression springs at the bottom of the machine, and a plastic ball socket at the top of the cabinet.
I recommend you research GE's Hitachi washers:
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?96701_6~1
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?86457
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?31435
The concept was then adapted to Whirlpool's compact and Portable washers. GE did the same with the Model Ts, however Model Ts used an actual transmission, self activating brake and clutch instead of a mode shifter splutch, reduction gear case, and solenoid actuated brake band.
All 5 machines original WP belt drive, world washers, model T and modern VMWs all hang from the cabinet.
[this post was last edited: 9/20/2024-11:04]
Reply #88
Clearly, this is an AI bot. I checked this thread about 5 minutes ago, then I come back 5 minutes later then I see a picture what appears to be car suspension components, and a bunch of other stuff added.
Usually if something edits a post, will see small red letters on the bottom left hand corner, but this time I don’t see anything.
Something is definitely up with Chetlaham and Jerome.
Clearly, this is an AI bot. I checked this thread about 5 minutes ago, then I come back 5 minutes later then I see a picture what appears to be car suspension components, and a bunch of other stuff added.
Usually if something edits a post, will see small red letters on the bottom left hand corner, but this time I don’t see anything.
Something is definitely up with Chetlaham and Jerome.
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