paulinroyton
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hi again, I wanted to ask you some questions since I suppose you've done quite a few loads so far
1. Is it fussy on balancing like some other 11kg machines we've know for? Does it doo balancing trash at all?
2. Is chrome control panel really annoying because of the finger prints, or is easy to clean?
3. Which programme was used in the video?
Dex
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Since you are cutting down speeds, I recommend you to never use less than 800, since if less then 800 is selected, machine does a little bit different rinse cycle (like my Candy did in the video in the link), however it's smart too, just using more water.
hi again, I wanted to ask you some questions since I suppose you've done quite a few loads so far
1. Is it fussy on balancing like some other 11kg machines we've know for? Does it doo balancing trash at all?
2. Is chrome control panel really annoying because of the finger prints, or is easy to clean?
3. Which programme was used in the video?
Dex
P.S
Since you are cutting down speeds, I recommend you to never use less than 800, since if less then 800 is selected, machine does a little bit different rinse cycle (like my Candy did in the video in the link), however it's smart too, just using more water.
paulinroyton
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Hi Jejan.
The machine is not fussy on balancing, unlike my LG was. It seems to go straight into a spin. The chrome panel is easy to clean, just use a duster and fingermarks dissapear, lol.
I used the cotton programme with the sensitive care button, which takes much more water in. I tend to use the machine on about 500 - 600 rpm, then spin dry them.
Regards
Paul
The machine is not fussy on balancing, unlike my LG was. It seems to go straight into a spin. The chrome panel is easy to clean, just use a duster and fingermarks dissapear, lol.
I used the cotton programme with the sensitive care button, which takes much more water in. I tend to use the machine on about 500 - 600 rpm, then spin dry them.
Regards
Paul
aquarius1984
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So far I have yet to see any REAL evidence that bearings last longer on low speed machines than higher spin.
Just like we have had to do bearings in 1300 spin Hoovers we have also had to do them in 800 spin Hotpoints.
I would very much imagine by not using the machines maximum spin that you are putting more pressure on the bearings by spinning a load at 500 for 12 odd minutes where the weight of fabric in the drum contributes to strain on the bearings and spider than spinning the water out of the clothes resulting in less weight.
Id say from a load of 11kg the difference extracted between 500 and 1400 could be around 3 litres which weighs 3 kg on top of the water which stays absorbed maybe around 5 litres. so spinning the best part of 20kg weight at slow speeds I assume would wear bearings quicker.
When using a food mixer to mix a heavy mixture one ups the speed to provide adequate beater movement if the mixer cannot cope or the mixer gears wear/break/snap much more easily, Id imagine its much the same thing.
Still your choice, guess anything that shortens the machines life only helps you to be able to choose another new machine and get your moneys worth from your Which? subscription.
Just like we have had to do bearings in 1300 spin Hoovers we have also had to do them in 800 spin Hotpoints.
I would very much imagine by not using the machines maximum spin that you are putting more pressure on the bearings by spinning a load at 500 for 12 odd minutes where the weight of fabric in the drum contributes to strain on the bearings and spider than spinning the water out of the clothes resulting in less weight.
Id say from a load of 11kg the difference extracted between 500 and 1400 could be around 3 litres which weighs 3 kg on top of the water which stays absorbed maybe around 5 litres. so spinning the best part of 20kg weight at slow speeds I assume would wear bearings quicker.
When using a food mixer to mix a heavy mixture one ups the speed to provide adequate beater movement if the mixer cannot cope or the mixer gears wear/break/snap much more easily, Id imagine its much the same thing.
Still your choice, guess anything that shortens the machines life only helps you to be able to choose another new machine and get your moneys worth from your Which? subscription.
superelectronic
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Aeons ago, when we bought my Hotpoint 800 spin WM12, the saleswoman said something along the lines of "they do say faster spin washers wear out faster"...so, perhaps it's a commonly held belief that slower spins will save wear and tear on your machine. Consider also the fact that the Hoover, much as with any modern machine, will not proceed to top speed if it's not properly balanced: instead the maximum speed is reduced or the spin may be aborted altogether. This is to protect the machine - be it the bearings, the spider, the axle, the suspension or whatever. There has to be something to it!
Sadly, none of us are really in a position to run a set of the same machines with the same loads over a period of time to test out whether limiting the spin speed even with well balanced loads makes a difference to longevity.
Until someone from a test institute or in possession of a degree in physics/mechanical engineering (or whatever it is you need) chips in with the definitive answer, we'll just have to resolve to continue using our machines in the manner we see fit (unless, of course, we actively decide to solicit advice from others).
Sadly, none of us are really in a position to run a set of the same machines with the same loads over a period of time to test out whether limiting the spin speed even with well balanced loads makes a difference to longevity.
Until someone from a test institute or in possession of a degree in physics/mechanical engineering (or whatever it is you need) chips in with the definitive answer, we'll just have to resolve to continue using our machines in the manner we see fit (unless, of course, we actively decide to solicit advice from others).
glenfieldmathk1
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The all Chrome washing Machine
Looks quite good, but finger prints would do my head in. Its bad enough on a Brown door trim.
I don't like the paddles in the latest Hoovers. They are too shallow, and not the full length (not even half on some models) of the drum which is a real shame, have you experienced problems with them?
I would have replaced a Maytag with a Bosch/Siemens/Miele though, in terms of it lasting.
Why were you surprised it was built in Italy, were you expecting it to be British made?? Hoover left Great Britain many years ago, when quality went down hill a lot due to the Candy take over. (with Candy being significantly lower build for the UK Market). That said Grandma's Performer (the first machine Candy made branded as Hoover) lasted quite well.
Looks quite good, but finger prints would do my head in. Its bad enough on a Brown door trim.
I don't like the paddles in the latest Hoovers. They are too shallow, and not the full length (not even half on some models) of the drum which is a real shame, have you experienced problems with them?
I would have replaced a Maytag with a Bosch/Siemens/Miele though, in terms of it lasting.
Why were you surprised it was built in Italy, were you expecting it to be British made?? Hoover left Great Britain many years ago, when quality went down hill a lot due to the Candy take over. (with Candy being significantly lower build for the UK Market). That said Grandma's Performer (the first machine Candy made branded as Hoover) lasted quite well.
glenfieldmathk1
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@splittub
Yep, all Hoover/Candy, Hotpoint/Indesit, AEG/Zanussi/Electrolux, the Bosch Clasixx5/5.5 & a selection of whirlpool's all have sealed tubs.
One other thing to consider, unlike all the others, the Candy/Hoovers also have inside the sealed tub the pressure Chamber, so if that goes faulty, you will need to replace the full tub as well, which is costly due to the larger drum.
That said the sealed tubs are less likely to leak, and usually (yes usually not always) have a stronger bearing.
Yep, all Hoover/Candy, Hotpoint/Indesit, AEG/Zanussi/Electrolux, the Bosch Clasixx5/5.5 & a selection of whirlpool's all have sealed tubs.
One other thing to consider, unlike all the others, the Candy/Hoovers also have inside the sealed tub the pressure Chamber, so if that goes faulty, you will need to replace the full tub as well, which is costly due to the larger drum.
That said the sealed tubs are less likely to leak, and usually (yes usually not always) have a stronger bearing.
aquarius1984
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Glenfield where diod you see the evidence that sealed tubs usually have stronger bearings?
paulinroyton
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Hi Mat.
I thought Hoover was made in China like my LG was. So was surprised to find out it was made in Italy.
I still have a few vintage machines, but over the next few months will be selling them as I need the space.
Paul
Hi Mat.
I thought Hoover was made in China like my LG was. So was surprised to find out it was made in Italy.
I still have a few vintage machines, but over the next few months will be selling them as I need the space.
Paul
haxisfan
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My 2p worth...
I was intrigued by your comments about the spin speed and the wearing of the bearings: I believe that there would be a mathematical relation between these two factors and that one factor would be directly proportional to the other; having said that, there would be other factors coming into play that would prevent that 'wearing curve' to bend further. If you think that there would be a given wear on a ball bearing at a given speed... by increasing the speed, you would also increase the wear. But as there are other elements that contribute to the wear of the bearings (like a broken seal, or, as some of you suggested lighter laundry at higher speed, corrosive detergents, etc), it's rather possible to that an 800rpm spin speed washer has its bearings outlasted by a 1400rpm.
@ glenfieldmathk1: you might have got confused between Electrolux BOL models and Candy/Hoover, the first has sealed sump (the models in which you find the filter accessible from the inside of the drum under a paddle) and not the latter. My Hoover Dynamic 8-Pulse, as this one on the thread, has 2 pumps (drain + circulation) which are completely separated from the rest of the outer tub.
@ paulinroyton: my Hoover 8-Pulse (bought in the UK) is made in China... I was astonished to learn from your comments that yours is made in Italy. Lots of the Hoovers they get in Italy are made in China too. I love the fact that you have a prewash button on your version, just like my older Hoover (still Candy made), my Dynamic also lacks other cycles that your models has such as the 'All Baby' (what does it do?) and 'Duvet'.
I was intrigued by your comments about the spin speed and the wearing of the bearings: I believe that there would be a mathematical relation between these two factors and that one factor would be directly proportional to the other; having said that, there would be other factors coming into play that would prevent that 'wearing curve' to bend further. If you think that there would be a given wear on a ball bearing at a given speed... by increasing the speed, you would also increase the wear. But as there are other elements that contribute to the wear of the bearings (like a broken seal, or, as some of you suggested lighter laundry at higher speed, corrosive detergents, etc), it's rather possible to that an 800rpm spin speed washer has its bearings outlasted by a 1400rpm.
@ glenfieldmathk1: you might have got confused between Electrolux BOL models and Candy/Hoover, the first has sealed sump (the models in which you find the filter accessible from the inside of the drum under a paddle) and not the latter. My Hoover Dynamic 8-Pulse, as this one on the thread, has 2 pumps (drain + circulation) which are completely separated from the rest of the outer tub.
@ paulinroyton: my Hoover 8-Pulse (bought in the UK) is made in China... I was astonished to learn from your comments that yours is made in Italy. Lots of the Hoovers they get in Italy are made in China too. I love the fact that you have a prewash button on your version, just like my older Hoover (still Candy made), my Dynamic also lacks other cycles that your models has such as the 'All Baby' (what does it do?) and 'Duvet'.
paulinroyton
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Hi Haxisfan.
The baby Cycle means you can wash all baby clothes together giving a hygienic wash. The machine gives a pre dose of detergent using the 8 jets.
The duvet cycle is for washing duvets or a big size load. The programme washes at 30c, has 3 rinses and a slow spin.
As for my remarks made in Italia. I thought most appliances are now made in China, not saying nothing wrong with appliances made in China, just a bit surprised to find it made in italy. I like the machine, also love the deep rinses unlike some modern machines that hardly take any water in.
Paul
Hi Haxisfan.
The baby Cycle means you can wash all baby clothes together giving a hygienic wash. The machine gives a pre dose of detergent using the 8 jets.
The duvet cycle is for washing duvets or a big size load. The programme washes at 30c, has 3 rinses and a slow spin.
As for my remarks made in Italia. I thought most appliances are now made in China, not saying nothing wrong with appliances made in China, just a bit surprised to find it made in italy. I like the machine, also love the deep rinses unlike some modern machines that hardly take any water in.
Paul
Hoover
Hi Paul, sorry to hear you had trouble with Maytag servicing, do you know if it was independant service engineers or part of the Whirlpool Group servicing?
Well this new washer is certainly involking discussion, from my point of view I was so taken aback when I saw the first pic that I had to go and have a look in person at one!!, I would tactfully describe it as Hoovers Blingiest Washer to date!! I cant work out wether its all the chrome and no white or that it still has the stickers on giving the impression of a larger than normal fascia...Glad you are enjoying it and look forward to more videos....
One thing still bemuses me with these added programmes, such as "Duvet"...who in their right mind would want to wash a Duvet full of human protein , skin cells, dust mites along with animal hair and want to wash it at "30d"...just beyond me!!, it should be labelled Programme 2 or D....what do you say?
Hi Paul, sorry to hear you had trouble with Maytag servicing, do you know if it was independant service engineers or part of the Whirlpool Group servicing?
Well this new washer is certainly involking discussion, from my point of view I was so taken aback when I saw the first pic that I had to go and have a look in person at one!!, I would tactfully describe it as Hoovers Blingiest Washer to date!! I cant work out wether its all the chrome and no white or that it still has the stickers on giving the impression of a larger than normal fascia...Glad you are enjoying it and look forward to more videos....
One thing still bemuses me with these added programmes, such as "Duvet"...who in their right mind would want to wash a Duvet full of human protein , skin cells, dust mites along with animal hair and want to wash it at "30d"...just beyond me!!, it should be labelled Programme 2 or D....what do you say?
paulinroyton
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Hi Mike.
It was Whirlpool Servicing who came out to repair the Maytag. I think 2 weeks and 4 days is a bit of a long time to have to wait for a repair. The Which Legal Team certainly got things stirred up at Appliancecity. When I received the phone call from them saying I could have any machine I wanted, I was in shock, lol. I was going to have another Maytag, but was put off with the trouble I had with the last one.
I didn,t have much time to choose and when I decided to go for the Hoover I then has second thoughts. Up to know it seems a good machine, love the 8 jests and the spin on start up, lots of bubbles in the machine.
The Duvet programmes is a bit of a let down. I would of liked to be able to choose at least 60c for a duvet. Also the all in one programmes lets you mix whites and coloureds. I always wash my whites and coloureds seperate and my whites always go on a 60c wash.
I was under the impression Hoover machines are made in China, but the rating plate says made in Italy.
Yes the machine is very bling and the dispaly is very big compaired to the Maytag.
Will keep you posted and hope to add more videos soon.
Cheers
Paul
Hi Mike.
It was Whirlpool Servicing who came out to repair the Maytag. I think 2 weeks and 4 days is a bit of a long time to have to wait for a repair. The Which Legal Team certainly got things stirred up at Appliancecity. When I received the phone call from them saying I could have any machine I wanted, I was in shock, lol. I was going to have another Maytag, but was put off with the trouble I had with the last one.
I didn,t have much time to choose and when I decided to go for the Hoover I then has second thoughts. Up to know it seems a good machine, love the 8 jests and the spin on start up, lots of bubbles in the machine.
The Duvet programmes is a bit of a let down. I would of liked to be able to choose at least 60c for a duvet. Also the all in one programmes lets you mix whites and coloureds. I always wash my whites and coloureds seperate and my whites always go on a 60c wash.
I was under the impression Hoover machines are made in China, but the rating plate says made in Italy.
Yes the machine is very bling and the dispaly is very big compaired to the Maytag.
Will keep you posted and hope to add more videos soon.
Cheers
Paul
haxisfan
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Hi Paul...
Thank you for getting back to me on that.
I agree with Chestermikeuk, it doesn't strike quite the right note a Duvet wash cycle at a temperature of 30 degrees! Still, what really counts there is the potential of using such a massive drum which would easily accommodate a king size quilt, then it'd be entirely up to you which other cycle to use (with possible further personilizations, e.g. 'Cottons' at 60 with the 'sensitive care' option enabled and a lower spin speed): with that kind of water level you showed us on the clip above, I'm sure any type of load can be washed and rinsed to perfection without the need of a dedicated wash program.
Take care ;-)
Thank you for getting back to me on that.
I agree with Chestermikeuk, it doesn't strike quite the right note a Duvet wash cycle at a temperature of 30 degrees! Still, what really counts there is the potential of using such a massive drum which would easily accommodate a king size quilt, then it'd be entirely up to you which other cycle to use (with possible further personilizations, e.g. 'Cottons' at 60 with the 'sensitive care' option enabled and a lower spin speed): with that kind of water level you showed us on the clip above, I'm sure any type of load can be washed and rinsed to perfection without the need of a dedicated wash program.
Take care ;-)
sesteve
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Hi Paul
Your new machine looks great and like the stain blaster description on the buttons! Hoover used to get a hard time in Which over the last few years because of their reliability but they seem to have improved considerably now so glad you are pleased with it. What does the night and day button do? Sorry to hear that you are having to get rid of the vintage collection but can sympathise as I'm at my limit while I wait to move! Still if you want a buyer for the TL let me know and I'll definitely make room for that lol!
Take care
S
Your new machine looks great and like the stain blaster description on the buttons! Hoover used to get a hard time in Which over the last few years because of their reliability but they seem to have improved considerably now so glad you are pleased with it. What does the night and day button do? Sorry to hear that you are having to get rid of the vintage collection but can sympathise as I'm at my limit while I wait to move! Still if you want a buyer for the TL let me know and I'll definitely make room for that lol!
Take care
S
Duvet cycle & Good night option
As much as I love Candy machines, I have to say that 'Duvet' cycle is the biggest c#@p they've made in programming for a looong time. It is like a standard delicate wash folowed by a final 800spin instead of 400, and that's it! Not to mention it is shortish cycle (around 1 hour I think), so it doesn't even stay at 30 for long...
My reciepe would be Cottons 60 with sensitive care and lowest wash time selected
sesteve,
Hi, the Good Night option reduces the interim.spins to 400, because of that makes the water level higher (to keep up the good result of rinsing) and does a rinse-hold after final rinse, since final spin is usually the noisier one
In the link I attached the video with my machine (software same as Paul's Hoover) working with good night option, everything explained in detail
Dex
As much as I love Candy machines, I have to say that 'Duvet' cycle is the biggest c#@p they've made in programming for a looong time. It is like a standard delicate wash folowed by a final 800spin instead of 400, and that's it! Not to mention it is shortish cycle (around 1 hour I think), so it doesn't even stay at 30 for long...
My reciepe would be Cottons 60 with sensitive care and lowest wash time selected
sesteve,
Hi, the Good Night option reduces the interim.spins to 400, because of that makes the water level higher (to keep up the good result of rinsing) and does a rinse-hold after final rinse, since final spin is usually the noisier one
In the link I attached the video with my machine (software same as Paul's Hoover) working with good night option, everything explained in detail
Dex
hey paul
well new machine came on thursday. first load cotton 40 sensitive care final rinse started and wouldnt stop filling went all the way to the top of the door flashes E04 called hoover told me to unpug and call currys they got me a new machine on sat morning have done about 7 loads all cottons 40 sensitive care final rinse half hour ago water all the way to the top of the door E04 oh and both machines covered in scratches were the stickers were calling electrician tomorrow to check out electrics on the socket because how can i have a 5 machines that dont work!!! its sending me up the pole
well new machine came on thursday. first load cotton 40 sensitive care final rinse started and wouldnt stop filling went all the way to the top of the door flashes E04 called hoover told me to unpug and call currys they got me a new machine on sat morning have done about 7 loads all cottons 40 sensitive care final rinse half hour ago water all the way to the top of the door E04 oh and both machines covered in scratches were the stickers were calling electrician tomorrow to check out electrics on the socket because how can i have a 5 machines that dont work!!! its sending me up the pole
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