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michaelman2

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Hi all,

I need some advice on vacuum purchase. My ex loved Rainbow...I HATE Rainbow.

I have two of them that I am getting rid of. I want an upright that is not out of my broke ass price range....any suggestions?...
 
Well how much are you looking to spend?

Cheaper than a rainbow you can get a Miele S7 under $1,000. Excellent vacuum cleaner.

Dyson for a lot less. Around $300. Definitely the best bagless machine out there for cheap. Don't loose suction, very very powerful. The DC17 had the most hose suction out of any vacuum I have ever used.
Very good deep cleaners, still the best I have used. Very very very easy to maintain. Just dump em and maybe wipe the bin out. Filters hardly ever need to be cleaned but its super easy, just rinse.

I never ever had to clean my dysons filters. They never had a single piece of hair or dust on them.

Even cheaper, Maybe a hoover Windtunnel upright would be decent.

Under that, nothing much worth the price.
 
The Hoover Tempo goes for around $89 and is very highly rated for carpet cleaning and tool suction. For that price, there are a couple sacrifices to be made. You can't turn off the brush roll for hard floor cleaning and the hose is short. I have heard it is a real screamer as well. And Hoover as of late, is not known for the durability of their vacs. But for the price, I can't think of anything else that is as highly rated.
 
Royal, end of discussion

And if you're not opposed to buying used and getting a great deal, they are dirt cheap at garage and estate sales, and on ebay.

It'll be the last vacuum you ever own.
 
Comment on Royal.

Id suggest going buying an older one, like an 880. The new ones are painfully loud, but still good cleaners.

I suppose if your rainbows are the new brushless motor kinds, you are used to the noise though! Those rainbows are loooouuuuud.
 
Agree about the Royal

Mine's an 886 with the 6amp motor. They are definately not quiet. I've had a couple of the 10amp models, which I like even better than mine (my daughter's gymnastics gym bought them from me) and they are definately louder, but they'll suck a golf ball through a garden hose.
 
The tempo I hear is really a nice under $100 vacuum. If thats all you want to spend, and you cant find like a royal, thats a good choice.

Another plus one on royals- they are hands down one of the easiest vacuums EVER to push around and maneuver. They are light, and with those wide wheels, it makes cleaning a breeze.
 
I keep running into Royals for under $30

I think the last one I purchased was $25 and it came with the complete set of blue hoses and attachments (which were an expensive additional purchase when new) and a couple new belts.

The cheapest one has been free, sitting next to a dumpster, and it ran fine.

One of my best scores was a commercial version (but not the one with the wider front) for $8 at the swapmeet.

I think I paid $400 for mine new, back in '88/'89...sadly, I couldn't afford the extra for the 10amp version.
 
Thanks everyone....I really appreciate the advice....I am looking on CL and Ebay for a Royal.....If I have to schlep this Rainbow thing ever again it will be too soon! Does anyone on here like these things (Rainbow)?
 
Don't forget Kirby . . .

A couple of years ago I was tired of plastic Hoovers breaking, so bought a refurbished Kirby off Ebay. It was really cheap, under $100, and works brilliantly. Royals are probably just as good, but I found that the Kirbys were lots easier to find. The only caveat with Kirby is that if you prefer the simpler, non-self propelled units you'll be restricted to an older model (I believe up through the Legend II), but there are plenty out there. Kirbys also often come with a huge collection of accessory tools.
 
Rainbows

No thanks. They do have their staunch supporters though. I've owned one. Found it at Value Village for something like $25 complete and not that old. T'was fun to play with a few times but the rigamarole of setting up, using it, emptying it, rinsing it out and then having to let it sit and air dry to avoid must and mold.. No thanks.. I ended up selling it in the paper and got about $200. The young couple that bought it, her actually, was thrilled, she loved them.
 
We've had a Rainbow for many years. I used to think that they did a good job, but after having a Miele for a few years you really realize just how weak the suction on a Rainbow is.

When we vacuum with the Rainbow there is still dog hair on the carpet. When we vacuum with the Miele, there is no dog hair on the carpet.

I do like the scented fluid that Rainbow sells to freshen the air with. It cleans out any odors and makes your house smell like a hospital.
 
Rainbow

I have owned 2 rainbows in the past.

A 1986 Rainbow D4. Fantastically quiet machine. Decent suction (nothing compared to a newer model or tristar)

I liked it just because it was so quiet, and had a nice powernozzle (the shoebox style one)

Then I had a Rainbow E2, the newest model. It was the one right before the blue trim came out. Gold.

Great suction. But oh so loud. Hands down coolest start up sound ever though! Like a jet.

Liked the electric hose grip, and the power nozzle groomed so well, but wasn't a very good design otherwise.

I liked them, but they are such a pain to clean.

If I were to ever buy one again it would most definitely not be the new style. D4SE all the way.
 
My parents owned a Kirby back in the day

We had the full home demonstration and my folks bought the whole she'bang, even the carpet shampoo-er thing.

So when I was looking for my first real vacuum, I had a friend come over and give the Kirby demonstration. I was really impressed of course, until I found out how much they cost.

This was long before the internet, so I did my own consumer research, learning by calling repair shops, about what vacuums held up. Again and again, Royal was at the top of the list.

So that's what led to my first purchase.

Couple things to look for in a Royal....IMO.

You want the wide wheels front and back.
You want the 10amp motor.
You want the hose kit with all the attachments.
You want the model that has the foot plate on the back for instant adjustement of the beater-brush height and the amount of suction that the carpet will get. Earlier models like my 6amp have a knob that has to be turned by hand.
You want the "later" model with the double wall bag......the bag will be a sort thick light tan material on the inside.

You can buy either Hoover or Royal Hepa bags. Some Royals, like mine with the round cover on the front take a bag that has it's own paper tube built in. Others, like the later ones with the square cover on the front, have a built in tube, so the bags just have a porthole in them.

So give them a good look on ebay and CL in your area. They're light to ship and the handles easily remove (but the cord runs up through them so you don't actaully detach them) and can be laid in the box for a smaller shipping size.

The bodies are easily polished to a mirror shine using "Simichrome" metal polish and a soft towel. 15-20min and they look like brand new, so don't be afraid of buying one that's sort of dull and ratty looking. And even if you find one that's sort of filthy, don't worry about it. You take a garden hose and blast out the bag, and let it air dry. It'll look like brand new. Then pop the beater bar cover off, slip off the belt and take the beater bar out (mind which direction it's arrow points (to your left if you're vacuuming)and use a razor knive to cut off all the hair and crap, and do the same thing with a stake knife for all the stuff that piles up on the belt shaft next to the fan blades. 10min later you have a perfectly clean vacuum, ready to rock-and-roll.

Here's the model I'd recommend. This has the thick bag, wide wheels, bigger motor, longer commercial cord, foot adjuster for beater bar height, and the square rubber plug in the front where the hose will go if you buy a hose kit. This one will also have the built in tube inside the bag.

 
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Royals-You may NOT want the 10A motor-TOO MUCH NOISE-the 7A models clean just as well-and QUIETER.The Knob nozzle height is BETTER than the Royal toe height adjust pedal.The to height adjusts have the bad habit of changing even if you bump the cleaner into something-and not enough range to adjust the nozzle properly-the "Rite Height" knob adjust allows you to set it precisely.Look for the "B" type outer bags-the "B" type paper bags are easier to remove and install than the older "A" bags-these are like F&G bags-you can use F&G bags in these machines-the advantage is the F&G bags are easy to find.A "B" outer bag will fit older Royals converting them to use "B" paper bags.For the hose kits for Royals-yes they work-but are harder than a Kirby to convert.Would suggest a suction only canister for a Royal owner.Much easier and better.
Yes don't overlook Kirby machines--so many out there.and don't forget Hoover Convertables-A classic but effective design-and quiet.The "C" paper bags can be hard to replace.Eureka has a similar machine-and Sanitaire is another good vacuum.They have a newer bag system that is easier to use.and the bags are Filtrete instead of paper.I have Rainbows in my collection too-its a love hate relationship with Rainbows-either you LOVE em or HATE em-same sort of thing for Dyson.I like bagged machines.
 
Height adjustment on Royals

Personally, I like the manual turn knob too, and I think it's great for someone who has their wits about them when they use an appliance....or any tool for that matter. But for those who just grab a vacuum and start banging it back and forth around a room, the foot adjuster is better IMO.

For example, my wife has been using my Royal for 17 years. As soon as she turns it on, removes the hose kit and starts using it to vacuum a rug, I go on high alert. Next thing I know, I'm running toward the vacuum telling her to adjust the height because the beater bar isn't vibrating, the belt is starting to burn up it's 30 seconds before smoke is pouring out. I found the same issue with the vacuums I supplied to the gymnastics facility, so I made sure I found them a pair that both had foot adjustment....."Step on the pedal right here and then begin vacuuming" is a lot easier than to try to explain how someone should turn the knob at the back to raise or lower the nose, while watching the suction button on the belt cover plate, and listening to the beater bar vibrate.

One comment regarding hoses and hose/accessory kits on the Royals. They are very tough to find, but super easy to pop on and off and use. Simple open the belt door, hook the belt with your finger and pull it off the shaft. Slide in the steel tube adaptor, and since you leave the hose always attached to that adaptor, you're ready to go.

We have all wood floors, with only a couple of small rugs, so ours is mainly in hose mode, but we go back and forth with it all the time. No big deal at all.

And noise-wise, IMO, the 10's aren't that much worse than the 6's. They're all loud and I think the 10s have waaay more suction. I usually where my shooting ear muffs when I vacuum, but I wear them when I mow the lawn and when working on a running car engine too...just me keeping my hearing protected.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
When I was a senior in high school, I babysat after school and they had a Rainbow, I had never seen or heard of them, and the oldest girl show me how to change the water, GROSS! I'll stick with my Kirby's, LOL. I have been thinking about getting a Royal, upright they look classy to me like the Kirbys.
 

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