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neptunebob
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Forget about him, old cranky can't stand backtalking
Or maybe he just needs more fiber in his diet.
Or maybe he just needs more fiber in his diet.
control panel layout
I wonder what the control panel layout is going to be.
I wonder what the control panel layout is going to be.
My Greatest Dissatisfaction
with the Model 432 that I bought a few weeks ago is the amazing amount of lint it generates. I owned top loaders until around 20 years ago, until I switched to a couple of front loaders. They never left lint on clothing like this machine does, and certainly the front loaders never did. I've been forced, for the first time in 40 years of buying washers, to have to separate laundry by lint-producing and lint-attracting. It's doubly irritating because I only have myself to wash for, so it's not like I have full loads of these things.
Given what I've seen with this SQ TL, if I had it to do over I'd buy their front loader instead. With the amount that I wash weekly, though, this machine will probably last me for 20+ years, according to SQ's guide!
I hope that the new action, whatever it is, does a better job of not creating lint, and of getting rid of the lint it does create.
with the Model 432 that I bought a few weeks ago is the amazing amount of lint it generates. I owned top loaders until around 20 years ago, until I switched to a couple of front loaders. They never left lint on clothing like this machine does, and certainly the front loaders never did. I've been forced, for the first time in 40 years of buying washers, to have to separate laundry by lint-producing and lint-attracting. It's doubly irritating because I only have myself to wash for, so it's not like I have full loads of these things.
Given what I've seen with this SQ TL, if I had it to do over I'd buy their front loader instead. With the amount that I wash weekly, though, this machine will probably last me for 20+ years, according to SQ's guide!
I hope that the new action, whatever it is, does a better job of not creating lint, and of getting rid of the lint it does create.
I have a 432 also and I don't really notice lint problems. I machine dry though so I guess it wouldn't matter that much. I have had the machine now almost 5 years and if I get another 10 it will be well worth it.
The most reliable machine I ever owned was a dd Whirlpool and I would of probably still had it had not the washbasket holes got plugged up with mineral deposits because I was using Arm &Hammer and if I got the timer fixed. NOW THAT was a good machine.
The most reliable machine I ever owned was a dd Whirlpool and I would of probably still had it had not the washbasket holes got plugged up with mineral deposits because I was using Arm &Hammer and if I got the timer fixed. NOW THAT was a good machine.
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LOL If you get another 10 years out of it it will be more than worth it, it will be a miracle!!!!
Would like to weigh in on the SQ's. Purchased Model 432S in April 2015 and with recent events in our household this year, feel that I can give a fair and balanced view.
*Johnr is correct in the linting problem "...the amazing amount of lint it generates." For $1000.00+ spent on this machine, I did not expect this situation. Have been racking my mind as to what I could rig up in a homemade lint filter to fit inside the agitator to alleviate the problem. The inside of the agitator is mostly hollow, surely something should work. Speed Queen states in their guide to "Sort Lint "Shedders" From Lint "Receivers" and then they give examples. They definitely were aware of this issue. See picture below. I'm wondering if a Maytag filter wouldn't fit inside with some modifications. I miss my old Filter-Flo's!!!
For $1000.00+ I had hoped for larger usable capacity. SQ guide states for an Extra Large load size is "2 queen size sheets, 4 pillow cases, 2 nightgowns, 1 pair men's pajamas." In all honesty, this is pushing it's limits. Started having small pin holes in my undershirts and small holes and tears in towels showing up when washing an extra large loads. At first I thought it was bleach, age of my clothes, or I was doing something wrong, so I cut the size of the load but left the water selection on high and the pin holes and tears in the towels ceased. There are two vertical holes in the agitator and I now never fill the tub past that second upper hole. I also set the timer between Normal and Short wash to reduce agitation time, but will soak for 15 minutes or so after agitation starts on dirty loads, results are pretty good. For the amount of usable load size it uses a ton of water, and that's NOT including 2nd & 3rd rinses I've had to use on towels.
For $1000.00+ rinsing could be considerably improved. I've finally learned to use "a drizzle" of any type of detergent. Woolite for Darks is the best I've found so far in low sudsing, to eliminate the 2nd rinse in most cases. All Free & Clear isn't bad, but have noticed fading in my clothes. Rosalies Zero Suds would probably be my best bet, but I'm afraid it would really be expensive for a non-HE machine.
Water extraction is poor on large loads, jeans and, again towels, I usually run a second spin to cut drying time.
There was a definite learning curve on this machine. I'm OVER the whole T/L / F/L debate and issue, it took my Dad's illness for me to see the light. Our water bill went from nearly $20.00/month to $60.00/month, but this included running about 8 - 10 loads a week during the summer. Don't remember the water usage, but I can check if anyone asks, it was mostly the SQ. And on the local news there are increases in rates for next year.
I hope SQ's new contender will solve some of the issues I've run across. (I realize that many of the issues were due to it's design and construction for commercial uses.....but for a $1000.00 come on!!)
Sorry to be so negative. On the positive side, it IS built like a tank...and I have no doubt. It's also fast, but with the newer designs on competitors new machines they are cutting the cycle times comparable to SQ so it's much less of an issue it once was. Warranties are the best in the business.
If I were to buy a new machine now it would be probably F/L with sanitizing cycle OR T/L GE, something with some capacity.
*Johnr is correct in the linting problem "...the amazing amount of lint it generates." For $1000.00+ spent on this machine, I did not expect this situation. Have been racking my mind as to what I could rig up in a homemade lint filter to fit inside the agitator to alleviate the problem. The inside of the agitator is mostly hollow, surely something should work. Speed Queen states in their guide to "Sort Lint "Shedders" From Lint "Receivers" and then they give examples. They definitely were aware of this issue. See picture below. I'm wondering if a Maytag filter wouldn't fit inside with some modifications. I miss my old Filter-Flo's!!!
For $1000.00+ I had hoped for larger usable capacity. SQ guide states for an Extra Large load size is "2 queen size sheets, 4 pillow cases, 2 nightgowns, 1 pair men's pajamas." In all honesty, this is pushing it's limits. Started having small pin holes in my undershirts and small holes and tears in towels showing up when washing an extra large loads. At first I thought it was bleach, age of my clothes, or I was doing something wrong, so I cut the size of the load but left the water selection on high and the pin holes and tears in the towels ceased. There are two vertical holes in the agitator and I now never fill the tub past that second upper hole. I also set the timer between Normal and Short wash to reduce agitation time, but will soak for 15 minutes or so after agitation starts on dirty loads, results are pretty good. For the amount of usable load size it uses a ton of water, and that's NOT including 2nd & 3rd rinses I've had to use on towels.
For $1000.00+ rinsing could be considerably improved. I've finally learned to use "a drizzle" of any type of detergent. Woolite for Darks is the best I've found so far in low sudsing, to eliminate the 2nd rinse in most cases. All Free & Clear isn't bad, but have noticed fading in my clothes. Rosalies Zero Suds would probably be my best bet, but I'm afraid it would really be expensive for a non-HE machine.
Water extraction is poor on large loads, jeans and, again towels, I usually run a second spin to cut drying time.
There was a definite learning curve on this machine. I'm OVER the whole T/L / F/L debate and issue, it took my Dad's illness for me to see the light. Our water bill went from nearly $20.00/month to $60.00/month, but this included running about 8 - 10 loads a week during the summer. Don't remember the water usage, but I can check if anyone asks, it was mostly the SQ. And on the local news there are increases in rates for next year.
I hope SQ's new contender will solve some of the issues I've run across. (I realize that many of the issues were due to it's design and construction for commercial uses.....but for a $1000.00 come on!!)
Sorry to be so negative. On the positive side, it IS built like a tank...and I have no doubt. It's also fast, but with the newer designs on competitors new machines they are cutting the cycle times comparable to SQ so it's much less of an issue it once was. Warranties are the best in the business.
If I were to buy a new machine now it would be probably F/L with sanitizing cycle OR T/L GE, something with some capacity.
I Didn't Know
until I decided to replace my FL Frigidaire that Speed Queen even made FL washers! I've been visiting this site periodically since it opened, but this isn't a subject that's constantly on my radar.
I purchased this 432 SQ/TL for one reason: reputation for durability. I was perfectly happy with the cleaning ability of the two front loaders I owned (though not re mold/mildew), I was disappointed with the lack of longevity.
So, I purchased this top loader, as I'd had top loaders for 20+ years and had been happy. Is this new SQ that I've now had for nearly two months the equal of my three Filter-Flo machines? I don't think so. Much, much more lint on the clothing. No Mini-Basket. No Mini-Quick 15-minute cycle.
As I've stated, had I the choice to do over again, I'd possibly pay the several hundred Dollars' difference and would buy the front loader. But then, this dryer with no moisture sensor is definitely not up to the standard of today's regular machines, either. Not to mention, as Frigilux states, the temp on regular drying approaches the surface of the sun.
It's here and I can only hope that the reputation for durability makes it worth its very real shortcomings.
until I decided to replace my FL Frigidaire that Speed Queen even made FL washers! I've been visiting this site periodically since it opened, but this isn't a subject that's constantly on my radar.
I purchased this 432 SQ/TL for one reason: reputation for durability. I was perfectly happy with the cleaning ability of the two front loaders I owned (though not re mold/mildew), I was disappointed with the lack of longevity.
So, I purchased this top loader, as I'd had top loaders for 20+ years and had been happy. Is this new SQ that I've now had for nearly two months the equal of my three Filter-Flo machines? I don't think so. Much, much more lint on the clothing. No Mini-Basket. No Mini-Quick 15-minute cycle.
As I've stated, had I the choice to do over again, I'd possibly pay the several hundred Dollars' difference and would buy the front loader. But then, this dryer with no moisture sensor is definitely not up to the standard of today's regular machines, either. Not to mention, as Frigilux states, the temp on regular drying approaches the surface of the sun.
It's here and I can only hope that the reputation for durability makes it worth its very real shortcomings.
John:
Why not take the opportunity, particularly if your set is just two months old, to either see if the store you got them from will accept a return and you get a f/l set, or you sell them to people who think they won't be happy with the new SQ t/l and want something more traditional like you have?
It really doesn't seem worth the trouble of keeping a set you do not like to begin with.
Some people will sacrifice anything for durability/reliability -- I probably would too when I was younger, but now, for me, there are other things that are at least as important, if not more. Then again, my case is different, I'm happy to live in a home with a basement where my laundry room is, and not only I can, but I do have more than one set of washer and dryer. I'll be annoyed if a machine breaks, but I'll still be able to do laundry. People who can only keep one set and don't live near a good laundromat for backup are in different situation.
Cheers!
-- Paulo.
Why not take the opportunity, particularly if your set is just two months old, to either see if the store you got them from will accept a return and you get a f/l set, or you sell them to people who think they won't be happy with the new SQ t/l and want something more traditional like you have?
It really doesn't seem worth the trouble of keeping a set you do not like to begin with.
Some people will sacrifice anything for durability/reliability -- I probably would too when I was younger, but now, for me, there are other things that are at least as important, if not more. Then again, my case is different, I'm happy to live in a home with a basement where my laundry room is, and not only I can, but I do have more than one set of washer and dryer. I'll be annoyed if a machine breaks, but I'll still be able to do laundry. People who can only keep one set and don't live near a good laundromat for backup are in different situation.
Cheers!
-- Paulo.
Paul
I have no doubt that my local dealer would take back the set I have. I won't do it. I'm not sufficiently unhappy for that.
We each have our own criteria for satisfaction with possessions. This set meets those criteria adequately. Others on this forum have different criteria than me, particularly with regard to water use and electronic gimmicks. I wouldn't want yet another front loader with which I'd have to constantly clean and fight against mold and mildew. Oh, I see the preaching of others along with the accusation of laziness or ignorance aimed at those of us who have fought this filth. I simply pigeonhole that ranting along with various other arguments.
No, this set is here to stay for me, as I've seen little else in other brands to motivate me, and uncertainty whether much more expensive SQ models would be worth the extra expense.
I have no doubt that my local dealer would take back the set I have. I won't do it. I'm not sufficiently unhappy for that.
We each have our own criteria for satisfaction with possessions. This set meets those criteria adequately. Others on this forum have different criteria than me, particularly with regard to water use and electronic gimmicks. I wouldn't want yet another front loader with which I'd have to constantly clean and fight against mold and mildew. Oh, I see the preaching of others along with the accusation of laziness or ignorance aimed at those of us who have fought this filth. I simply pigeonhole that ranting along with various other arguments.
No, this set is here to stay for me, as I've seen little else in other brands to motivate me, and uncertainty whether much more expensive SQ models would be worth the extra expense.
Well, I wish you good luck then!
I have in fact heard of people who fought the mold and mildew, and to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what causes it and what cures it -- I've never had the trouble myself and I've switched from top-loaders to front-loaders back and forth depending on where I was living at the time and what was available, without any trouble. I've heard everything from "you need to use bleach every once in a while" to "you can't use fabric softener" etc. The thing is that I use bleach so rarely in my home that the bottle "goes bad", that is, the active chlorine evaporates before I use it all and I have to discard the useless liquid, and I use fabric softener in nearly every single load. I've also seen people who had the trouble despite the fact that they switched back to a top-loader, and I've even seen people who had the trouble and all they ever owned was a top-loader. I tend to prefer powder detergents, but I like to try new stuff and if you showed up unannounced tomorrow, you'd see I have plenty of liquid and pod detergents on hand and I use them without trouble too. So, I dunno for sure, but I'm glad I haven't dealt with it.
Cheers,
-- Paulo.
I have in fact heard of people who fought the mold and mildew, and to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what causes it and what cures it -- I've never had the trouble myself and I've switched from top-loaders to front-loaders back and forth depending on where I was living at the time and what was available, without any trouble. I've heard everything from "you need to use bleach every once in a while" to "you can't use fabric softener" etc. The thing is that I use bleach so rarely in my home that the bottle "goes bad", that is, the active chlorine evaporates before I use it all and I have to discard the useless liquid, and I use fabric softener in nearly every single load. I've also seen people who had the trouble despite the fact that they switched back to a top-loader, and I've even seen people who had the trouble and all they ever owned was a top-loader. I tend to prefer powder detergents, but I like to try new stuff and if you showed up unannounced tomorrow, you'd see I have plenty of liquid and pod detergents on hand and I use them without trouble too. So, I dunno for sure, but I'm glad I haven't dealt with it.
Cheers,
-- Paulo.
Mold and Mildew
Because there are such diverse experiences with these plagues on our machines, I think there's something else either climate-based or simply environment-based that we haven't learned yet. I live in a hot and humid climate--my central a/c is running as I type this at 1:45am--and my machines are inside with me. It's seldom above 75F in this house. My water is either very soft nor very hard. I've used every major detergent at length. Of course I left the door open at all times on the FL's. I'd also wipe down the wet inner glass on the door after every wash.
I've had friends in my city who did virtually the same things that I did, and never had any mold or mildew. So who knows? I remember that when I bought the last front loader, the Frigidaire Affinity, it announced that the gasket was made of something special to fight mold. Well, it was worse than my first GE/Kenmore front loader, a lot worse.
I have no doubt that in the future all of this will be considered teething pains for this generation of machines. We're just the ones who are having to live through it.
Because there are such diverse experiences with these plagues on our machines, I think there's something else either climate-based or simply environment-based that we haven't learned yet. I live in a hot and humid climate--my central a/c is running as I type this at 1:45am--and my machines are inside with me. It's seldom above 75F in this house. My water is either very soft nor very hard. I've used every major detergent at length. Of course I left the door open at all times on the FL's. I'd also wipe down the wet inner glass on the door after every wash.
I've had friends in my city who did virtually the same things that I did, and never had any mold or mildew. So who knows? I remember that when I bought the last front loader, the Frigidaire Affinity, it announced that the gasket was made of something special to fight mold. Well, it was worse than my first GE/Kenmore front loader, a lot worse.
I have no doubt that in the future all of this will be considered teething pains for this generation of machines. We're just the ones who are having to live through it.
lordkenmore
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Because there are such diverse experiences with these plagues on our machines, I think there's something else either climate-based or simply environment-based that we haven't learned yet.
Wouldn't surprise me.
I can't comment about mold and mildew in front load machines. But I think I had a problem this last summer in a BOL WP DD. At least, it smelled funny--and the smell wasn't a leftover fragrance from the Cold Water Tide I was experimenting with. "Cold water" might explain the problem--but I never really went very cold with my experiments at that time, and I was running plenty of regular washes with other detergents with warmer water. I was using only liquid detergent--but I've used liquids pretty much exclusively for some time with no problem. In any case, I did things to try and correct, such as being sure to use warm enough water, use a bit of my limited powder detergent stash, etc. Finally, I ended up running a full tub of water with bleach. Problem solved...but it came back when I started experimenting with the Tide again. I shelved the Tide, did a bleaching routine, and the problem was solved.
Odd thing...but I went back to using that Tide again a few weeks ago. Mainly because I hate throwing detergent away... And no problems this time. My only guess is that there is something with that Tide formula coupled with a summer-warm laundry room. (I've never had problems in summer before, and I've lived with this laundry room many years now, and this washer for at least 2,3 years now.)
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Wouldn't surprise me.
I can't comment about mold and mildew in front load machines. But I think I had a problem this last summer in a BOL WP DD. At least, it smelled funny--and the smell wasn't a leftover fragrance from the Cold Water Tide I was experimenting with. "Cold water" might explain the problem--but I never really went very cold with my experiments at that time, and I was running plenty of regular washes with other detergents with warmer water. I was using only liquid detergent--but I've used liquids pretty much exclusively for some time with no problem. In any case, I did things to try and correct, such as being sure to use warm enough water, use a bit of my limited powder detergent stash, etc. Finally, I ended up running a full tub of water with bleach. Problem solved...but it came back when I started experimenting with the Tide again. I shelved the Tide, did a bleaching routine, and the problem was solved.
Odd thing...but I went back to using that Tide again a few weeks ago. Mainly because I hate throwing detergent away... And no problems this time. My only guess is that there is something with that Tide formula coupled with a summer-warm laundry room. (I've never had problems in summer before, and I've lived with this laundry room many years now, and this washer for at least 2,3 years now.)
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Barry's experience with pin holes in fabrics mimics what I experienced with my DD LK (aka Lady Shredmore) and hence my disdain for top loaders. Barry's experience confirms I'm not crazy. Nor two of my neighbors who complained to me since I'm the perceived washer expert around here.
drilling a hole in the center can be done.....been there...done that....
it will turn your agitator into a powerfin style....I only did the hole in the center to help keep it clean from softener build up....I really didn't have to drill one in the sides, it will pull water down and underneath....
in fact, dropping in of those little screen used for a sink strainer should work nicely...
it will turn your agitator into a powerfin style....I only did the hole in the center to help keep it clean from softener build up....I really didn't have to drill one in the sides, it will pull water down and underneath....
in fact, dropping in of those little screen used for a sink strainer should work nicely...
Linting and Mold Problems
The new SQ TL will solve the lint problem, as the agitation is much less aggressive and the neutral drain will help immensely.
The problem with mold and foul odors in FL [ or TL ] washers is always entirely caused by poor washing habits and usage habits.[ this is why one house has the problem and the house next door does not have the problem ] It has never been found to be a problem of the washer.
For all washers, always use plenty a GOOD quality detergent, skip the cheap national brands like but not limited to, Arm&hammer, purex, All, Amway, and any Eco brands.
ALWAYS wash in at least 100F water, this usually means on a FL washer always using the hot wash setting.
If you use fabric softener it is even more important to wash clothing properly the next time.
Use LCB when ever possible.
It is really never necessary to run washer clean cycles, wipe the door boot etc. Wiping the door boot is only the tip of the iceberg, most mold forms on the inside of the outer tub and on the outside of the wash basket, spider and inside the wash baffles, dispenser ares hoses and other parts exposed to water that you cannot even get to.
Never try to rinse in warm water, warm leaves the machine at a perfect temperature for things to grow.
My SQ FL washer smells like a new machine after 12 years of use, When I left for Amsterdam and London the other week I stripped my bed put the sheets in the SQ FLer and forgot them, when I got back 8 days latter I went to my room and saw I had not made the bed went down found the sheets still in the washer with the door closed tightly and though oh s..t.
I opened the door which was covered with condensation on the inside and pulled out a sheet and smelled it, It was as fresh as if the machine had just been run so in the dryer they went and back on the bed.
John L.
The new SQ TL will solve the lint problem, as the agitation is much less aggressive and the neutral drain will help immensely.
The problem with mold and foul odors in FL [ or TL ] washers is always entirely caused by poor washing habits and usage habits.[ this is why one house has the problem and the house next door does not have the problem ] It has never been found to be a problem of the washer.
For all washers, always use plenty a GOOD quality detergent, skip the cheap national brands like but not limited to, Arm&hammer, purex, All, Amway, and any Eco brands.
ALWAYS wash in at least 100F water, this usually means on a FL washer always using the hot wash setting.
If you use fabric softener it is even more important to wash clothing properly the next time.
Use LCB when ever possible.
It is really never necessary to run washer clean cycles, wipe the door boot etc. Wiping the door boot is only the tip of the iceberg, most mold forms on the inside of the outer tub and on the outside of the wash basket, spider and inside the wash baffles, dispenser ares hoses and other parts exposed to water that you cannot even get to.
Never try to rinse in warm water, warm leaves the machine at a perfect temperature for things to grow.
My SQ FL washer smells like a new machine after 12 years of use, When I left for Amsterdam and London the other week I stripped my bed put the sheets in the SQ FLer and forgot them, when I got back 8 days latter I went to my room and saw I had not made the bed went down found the sheets still in the washer with the door closed tightly and though oh s..t.
I opened the door which was covered with condensation on the inside and pulled out a sheet and smelled it, It was as fresh as if the machine had just been run so in the dryer they went and back on the bed.
John L.
mrb627
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Lint Problems
Linting issues can be exaggerated by under dosing detergents. Make sure you are using enough. Additionally, over rinsing can contribute too.
Malcolm
Linting issues can be exaggerated by under dosing detergents. Make sure you are using enough. Additionally, over rinsing can contribute too.
Malcolm
