New dryer - Living in student-heaven

[henene4]

In October I moved across Germany to the far North-West corner into a big shared house with other students.
We were 6 people until recently, now 5, and even though we aren't close to campus by any means (3.6km spot on, still easy to do with a bike), we have the most amazing landlords ever.
They even build us a nice outdoor grilling area over the past couple of months.

I had 3 demands when moving: Washer, Dryer, Dishwasher. This place is cheap and matched my demands perfectly.

So, let's start moving through our appliances.

First, cooling: We have 3 88cm fridges, so one fridge for 2 people in theory. 2 are stacked freestanding, one is integrated in the kitchen. The first picture is the 2 stacked units. A Zanker and some no-name thing.
We have a 6 drawer freezer as well (pic 2).
Those 2 towers are basicly oposing each other to either side of the door to the kitchen coming down the stairs from my rooms (yes, plural).

Our oven got replaced about a month or so ago with some cheap old Siemens that is actually pretty awesome.
When we moved in one plate on the cooker wasn't working and one wouldn't regulate properly anymore, and the oven heated unevenly and the convection fan was unbearably loud.
Now we have 4 verry fast plates, convection and even a "Backwagen". (Google that, it's a verry hard to explain thing and weired to use at first, but so incredible comfortable in my opinion).

Dishwasher is a verry basic Bosch. Does its job, racks are meh though.

The washer is a simple slim line Gorenje. It's a decent machine for what it is. Verry small drum (but it basicly serves only single peoples wash loads).
Rinsing is poor if you don't take care (using water plus or the allergy option).
But it does spin-washes on Cottons and keeps a pretty steady wash temperature.
The place where it stands is verry crocket and adjusting the legs for it to stand stioo is basicly impossible, especially as these Gorenjes shake like crazy. So it sits on one of those rubber anti slip matsm though only the right side is on it. That keeps it from moving excessivly.

Oh, and a quick view at the grilling area. That street behind it is rather calm and there are horses on the other side.

And now, to todays star: The dryer!

Up until saturday we had a basic Bosch heatpump dryer. The 11 cycle, 3 option version with time end delay. Pretty old as it had the verry first filter iteration without any seal that sat verry loosly.
A few weeks ago the top of the handle broke loose, then it sporadicly would display the full container error even though it wasn't full and after a load of bedding last saturday, it was stuck with that. The typical SelfCleaning condenser fault.

Told our landlords yesterday and as I came home from my lectures today I was greeted by the new dryer: A Grundig GTA 38261 G. Was on offer in the local store (499€).
A+++, inverter motor, big drum with light and pretty fast for its class (2,5h label cycle).
Only had it on for 2min to check that everything was working and gosh is it quiet.

(Sorry for the bad pictures, it is located in the hallway between bathroom and kitchen and that is only about 120m wide.)

Will report back on how it performs!

 

[johnb300m]

Nice.
It's always interesting to see what appliances and setups are like in other countries. And that brick wall in your yard is very cool looking!

Is it customary in Germany to have multiple small fridges other than one large unit in the kitchen like in the US?

 

[henene4]

Multiple small fridges

Not really. That is more of a made-to-suit solution. The house here was once the family home of our landlord and they only had the small build in fridge presumably. Now that there are basicly 6 seperate tiny households under one roof instead of one big one, this works better.

Some households like my family back home have a fridge and freezer in the kitchen and seperate fridge and freezer as overflow and stockpile in the basement.
That is somewhat more common here, but as far as I understand about the same number of people have such a setup over in the states.

 

[foraloysius]

That's a very nice looking dryer. I have seen these with more chrome too, so this must be a cheaper one than that? For a dryer that price it has a lot of options! Great value for money possibly.

 

[rapunzel]

In Europe people don't generally have large fridges. It is customary for many households to shop more frequently (daily), for groceries and cook from scratch with fresh ingredients. Fridges tend to only be used for short-term storage of victuals and don't need to be so capacious.

Most people live in rental flats (apartments) with space at a premium and often have to provide all the kitchen furnishings themselves, including fridges and cookers. The kitchen sink is the only standard fixture in a rental. It is a little more common now to have built-in kitchens, but by no means is it standard like here in Oz or in the US. However, larger families, who live in their own homes may have a chest freezer and American style refrigerators are available to those with the space and necessary change. Then there is electricity consumption. Our fridges consume a lot more juice than your average European fridge.

European households tend to be more compact. The average home size in Oz is about 243 square meters (2616 sq ft). European living spaces average at 140 square meters (1507 sq ft).

 

[rapunzel]

In Europe people don't generally have large fridges. It is customary for many households to shop more frequently (daily), for groceries and cook from scratch with fresh ingredients. Fridges tend to only be used for short-term storage of victuals and don't need to be so capacious.

Most people live in rental flats (apartments) with space at a premium and often have to provide all the kitchen furnishings themselves, including fridges and cookers. The kitchen sink is the only standard fixture in a rental. It is a little more common now to have built-in kitchens, but by no means is it standard like here in Oz or in the US. However, larger families, who live in their own homes may have a chest freezer and American style refrigerators are available to those with the space and necessary change. Then there is electricity consumption. Our fridges consume a lot more juice than your average European fridge.

European households tend to be more compact. The average home size in Oz is about 243 square meters (2616 sq ft). European living spaces average at 140 square meters (1507 sq ft).

 

[henene4]

Great value

Yeah, it's one of the cheapest A+++ classed dryers.

Interesting find: The condenser filter does not have any kind of reed switch like the Bauknecht back home does, so you can open the filter compartment without the dryer stopping and even can check the temperature of the cold side of the heatpump. Probably not the safest thing, but perfect for people like us!

Currently runnig the first load, a set of bedding. Let's see how bad it tangles.

Rapunzel:
Space really isn't at a premium here where I live. I mean, I live on an old pony farm (still has horses, just that the stables are rented out), and am still considered as "living in the city".
But it's true the fridges tend to be smaller rather then larger.

The complete area of this house has to be somewhere in the area of 250-300m². 6*25m² plus bathrooms, kitchen and hallways.

 

[henene4]

I'm somewhat torn.

The bedding was dry - without interference. It was somewhat tangeled, but dry, completly.

But reversing on this dryer is kind of a joke. "Reversing" here means stopping for about 3 seconds, doing less then half a turn in reverse direction and continuing drying.
I mean, it has in inverter motor, it should be abled to reverse properly for at least a couple of turns, but nope.

Current load: Drying bath mats, checking the Easy Care cycle.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Do you have nice views of the surrounding countryside? Or is it partially built upon?

And thanks for the Grundig dryer report... I'm tempted by the Blomberg version which sold via our Euronics/independent stores. Grundig appliances are only sold via Currys here.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Backwagen:

= sliding oven door with trays.

Basically, a type of drawer system.

 

[combo52]

Reversing Tumble Compact dryers

Really does very little good, if the stuff doesn't have room to move reversing will do little or no good.

24" wide dryers are just too small to dry large loads especially of larger items without excessive wrinkles.

John L.

 

[henene4]

Sorry to impede on your status their, but I think I used more compact dryers the you, combo52.
And reversing does help. A lot. If done right. If the dryer reverses 50/50, or every few minutes, bedding does not tangle. Period.
You can't concevibly dry more then 2-3 sets of bedding anyway.
And it's funny how the entirety of Europe can happily dry in compact dryers.

Rolls_rapide: It's the northern part of Germany. It's flat for about 100km in any direction, dosen't come across in pictures at all.

Had 2 synthetic loads so far. One on Easy Care, on the Sports cycle (which is more of a mixed cycle accoding to the manual), the former was almost dryer, the latter needed half an hour more.
So far, so good, but not really respective of the machine yet.
Temperature is really low though!

Will report again after I did more trials.

 

[rolls_rapide]

"compact..."

Much depends on how you define "compact".

A compact dryer to most folk, would be the small sizes, as produced by White Knight and Creda; i.e 3 kilogrammes capacity.

A standard dryer would be the 6/7/8 kg machines.

American 'standard' sizes to us, are anything but. They are large and oversized.

 

[henene4]

Impressed

So far, impressed.

The "Jeans" cycle is spot on. Perfct for thicker, multi-layered items.

The cottons cycles dry spot on, far better then almost any heatpump dryer I have used, only the old ELux design comes close (though that was far less efficient).
Towels are soft and dry. Other heatpump dryers often either leave stuff damp-ish or rough-ish, this one is exactly in the middle of that, perfect.
You have to use the cupboard dry plus setting, though.
I haven't washed my bedding yet, but both of my flatmates bedding loads did not tangle.

I washed a comforter and dried it on the comforter setting. That had to be rerun, but was close to being dry.

Will try the "Mini" cycle soon and will wash my oversized bedding and report back then.

Some side notes:

You do know you are using a budget dryer. Stuff like no dryness fine adjustment, the missing reed switch for the condenser filter or simply allowing the adjustment of the anticrease (if there even is one, didn't check yet).

It's quiet though. The compressor stays relativley quiet throughout the cycle and does not start to sound like its cavitating like our Whirlpool back home does as it nears the cycle end. Loudest thing about this one is the condensate pump.
The inverter motor does make the odd high-frequency noise every now and then on startup, but oh man is it quiet while running.

Some googling revealed it uses an LG-made single-speed 420W heat pump.
Somehow it is still verry fast and gentle. Most loads finish in less then 90min, probably due to the intense airflow.

Filters are easy to clean and far more substatial then the WP back home. For pre-heatpump filtration it uses a 1cm dense black foam. Not quiet Miele level, but good and easy to handle.

Overall - considering the price - a good choice I'd say. Fast, verry efficent, gentle, quiet.
Would take this one over any heatpump dryer I used before.
Given they managed to optimize these to the point where you don't need an inverter driven heatpump anymore to reach A+++ rating in an aceptable amount of time, it'll be not to long before A+/A++ are being phased out.

But still want to use an inverter heatpump dryer some time to see if that makes such a huge difference as I think it could.

 

[henene4]

Final review

Dried pillows, a down comforter and several assortments of bedding as well as regular laundry.

You basicly only need 4 cycles: Cottons Cupboard Dry Plus, Jeans, Comforters and the timed dry.
Haven't tried the Woolens, Delicates and Shirts cycles yet, but don't think you'd ever need these.

I had nothing tangeling or ball up so far. Large loads of bedding do wrinkel a bit, but don't tangle and basicly always dry 100% evenly and are still far less wrinkeld then out of the Bosch.

Cycles are quick enough, maintenance is easy, it is quiet.

Now it's on to the longterm performance, it has a 3 year warranty, so let's see how it holds up!

 

[ozzie908]

Grundig = upper end beko Thanks Henene4 for the pics etc

I had the beko heat pump dryer for 3.5 years and there were 2 things that I hated but thought it was just me being picky....
1 it tangled all bedding no matter what cycle was used
2 that hateful black sponge filter on the condenser it used to drive me nuts cleaning it.

Sold the beko to replace it with a John Lewis = AEG in disguise and wow what a difference you select bedding and it reverses equally and thus untangles the sheets it also dries very evenly and there is NO sponge filter just a second sealed almost like fine gauze one that you vacuum or brush clean every so often.
I am pleased the Grundig is the same as I had contemplated one when my AEG dies but if they didn't improve the filter system or the tangling issue I will buy another AEG instead as sadly Miele heat pump dyers I believe have an omnidirectional motor so no good for fitted sheets.

Austin

 

[rapunzel]

So what is the expected lifespan of modern Grundig and AEG dryers?

I was in Germany for a funeral earlier this year and watched a program on cheap washing machines. Seemingly, some consumers think nothing of replacing their washers every four to five years and sometimes even sooner.

 

[henene4]

Probable lifespan

Thing with heatpump dryers is that - simmilar to a AC unit - these just have limited lifespan.

AEGs tend to be in the 5-8 year range, probably, plus minus, of course.
Arcrelik appliances are in a simmilar range.

BSH don't do it much longer either by now. Miele seems to aim at the 10 year mark.

One has to note there the AEGs often die to board failures while most BSH machines die to the self cleaning condenser issue.
At first the AEG seems like the worse pick, but the AEG offers far greater drying results and getting a BSH dryer cleaned can actually end up being more expensive then repairing the AEG would be.
Dunno about the current Arcrelik range yet, that design isn't all that old yet.

And it's true that in Germany, replacing your appliances every 5 years is common place and ok with most consumers.
We know we basicly pay next to nothing for them (I mean, we get a 1400rpm FL with an extended 5 year warranty delivered for around 300€, and a heatpump dryer for 350€), so that is ok with us.

 

[rapunzel]

That's not very green, is it? Since they don't really recycle these products do they ship them to Africa or do they end up in local landfill?