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This is from the Department of Energy website, dated May 16. It sounds bad. Water consumption on clothes washers will go down 35% -- that's right, thirty-five percent -- by 2015. Dishwashers will have water consumption reduced 20% starting in 2013.

 

All while maintaining performance, of course.
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WASHINGTON – As part of the Obama Administration’s focus on taking sensible steps to save families money while also reducing energy consumption,  the Department of Energy today announced common-sense energy efficiency standards for residential clothes washers and dishwashers that will save consumers $20 billion in energy and water costs. The new standards for both clothes washers and dishwashers were informed by important feedback from manufacturers, consumer groups and environmental advocates, producing significant savings while retaining consumer choice. The clothes washers standard announced today will save households approximately $350 over the lifetime of the appliance, while offering consumers a variety of more efficient machine choices, and as a result of the standards for dishwashers, home dishwashers will use approximately 15 percent less energy and more than 20 percent less water, directly providing consumers with savings on monthly bills.

 

Today’s announcement is only the most recent in a series of common-sense efficiency standards made by the Obama Administration that have covered nearly 40 different products, and will together save consumers nearly $350 billion on their energy bills through 2030.

 

“Working with consumer, industry and environmental groups to develop common-sense energy-saving appliance standards is an important part of the Obama Administration’s all-of-the-above approach to American energy and the Energy Department’s efforts to reduce energy costs for consumers,” said Secretary Chu. “Collectively, these energy efficiency standards for everyday appliances have saved American families hundreds of billions of dollars and offered consumers more efficient, less costly appliances without sacrificing performance.”

 

“DOE’s implementation of these new standards reflects the consensus agreement reached by stakeholders. It will result in tremendous energy savings for the consumer while preserving product choice and minimizing manufacturer impact. The home appliance industry is proud of its long history of energy efficiency advancements benefiting consumers and applauds DOE for working with stakeholders to increase energy efficiency,” said Joseph McGuire, President of the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers. 

 

“Clothes washer and dishwasher energy efficiency has improved dramatically over the past two decades while also improving clothes washing performance and maintaining dish washing performance,” said Steve Nadel, Executive Director of the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy.  “These improvements have been driven by a combination of manufacturer and utility efforts, Energy Star, federal tax incentives and minimum efficiency standards.  We support the new DOE minimum efficiency standards which will raise the floor, helping to spur further efficiency improvements.

 

The new standards – developed in partnership with companies like Whirlpool, General Electric and LG Electronics, industry advocates, national environmental organizations, consumer groups and other stakeholders – build on previous minimum energy efficiency requirements for clothes washers and dishwashers and go into effect starting in 2015 and 2013, respectively. 

 

Today, clothes washers and dishwashers account for approximately 3 percent of residential energy use and more than 20 percent of indoor water use in homes across the country.  The new standards for clothes washers will reduce the energy consumption of front-loading clothes washers by 15 percent and reduce water consumption by 35 percent, while top-loading washers will save 33 percent on energy and 19 percent on water use.

 

As companies look for ways to further boost the efficiency of their products,  companies will continue to undertake additional research and development, partner with entrepreneurs working on new efficiency technologies and invest in manufacturing innovations that will help drive better, more efficient appliances and broader job creation across the economy. For example, according to a 2011 trade report<span class="ext"> </span>, standards laws signed by President Reagan and both Presidents Bush and DOE rulemakings generated approximately 340,000 jobs in 2010 alone.

 

The standards announced today are part of the Obama Administration’s broader all-of-the-above approach to American energy and the Department of Energy’s efforts to help families save money by saving energy.  Other energy and cost-saving standards adopted under the Obama Administration include:

<ul>
<li>March 2009 - 14 consumer and commercial products with standards prescribed in the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA 2007), including dishwashers, general service incandescent lamps and residential clothes washers</li>
<li>April 2009 - Microwaves, kitchen ranges and ovens</li>
<li>July 2009 - General service fluorescent lamps and incandescent reflector lamps</li>
<li>July 2009 - Commercial heating, air-conditioning and water-heating equipment</li>
<li>August 2009 - Beverage vending machines</li>
<li>December 2009 - Commercial clothes washers</li>
<li>February 2010 - Small electric motors</li>
<li>March 2010 - Residential water heaters, direct heating equipment and pool heaters</li>
<li>April 2011 - Residential clothes dryers and room air conditioners</li>
<li>June 2011 - Residential furnaces and residential central air conditioners and heat pumps</li>
<li>September 2011 - Residential refrigerators, freezers, and refrigerator-freezers</li>
<li>October 2011 - Fluorescent lamp ballasts</li>
<li>November 2011 - Direct heating equipment</li>
<li>May 2012 - Residential clothes washers</li>
<li>May 2012 – Residential dishwashers</li>
</ul>
 

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http://energy.gov/articles/new-ener...lothes-washers-and-dishwashers-save-consumers
 
Gee whiz. The part that I don't get is how they want new front loading washers to save 35% on water. They hardly use any now as it is. I'll stick with something vintage. Even if I have to use baling wire and duct tape to keep it running, that's what I'll do.
 
How the heck can clothes get clean if they barely get damp?  My front-loader is already stingy on water, so much so that I often opt for the extra rinse to be sure all the detergent is gone.  I guess I should think about stocking up on spare parts or buy another machine for back-up.  Thank goodness I have several good dishwashers on hand already.
 
Get One NOW!

Makes me want to purchase a backup machine to keep as a spare. I cannot imagine using less water than they already do...

Malcolm
 
And COLD too!

All that and the water will no longer be warmed in any way. TAP FREAKIN COLD.

But we will make up for it with STRONGER CHEMICALS that we had better all develop an immunity to the residue...

EPIC FAIL!

Malcolm
 
I'm sorry but...

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Reducing the 2 tablespoons water consumption even more means that the clothes won't even get wet.

So.. they won't have to be spun dry.... That saves energy

But we can save even more... why use the dryer if the clothes are already dry?

Comming up next

standards to increase the efficiency on deodorants, because the whole country stinks like dirty laundry.
 
Don't forget toxic laundry detergents.

Nobody can tell you what the formulations of detergents will do to the biospheres....
 
How many more standards are they going to announce? How is technology going to keep up with all of these new standards? Are they now getting to the point where the cart is pushing the horse? What will be the step after this, laundry and diswashing on odd or even days?

My guess is that the agency, responsible for these announcements, is more about justifying its continual funding than actually providing something of tangible value that actually makes sense.
 
Yes, how are they gonna make front loaders use even less water? I suppose the term "Steam Washer" will get a whole new meaning! Maybe all washers will then only spray a fine mist of water through (or more likely on) the clothing as part of the rinse cycle - like some LGs already do:

 
"Rent-Seeking" and/or Guaranteed Business for...Laun

Actually, no. These new standards don't promote much of anything except more of the same "it doesn't work" stuff consumers already have to deal with.

So what are the real savings to the average household? Are there any within the actual average life span of new appliances? Or do the only ones who benefit are the lucky ones who got the appliance which was NOT built on Friday or Monday?

How were these figures determined?

Did the ones doing the research---or supporting the same--have a conflict or conflicts of interest?

It does not look good for the consumer who wants clean clothes and/or to do dishes automatically and to do it at home.

However if we are talking about guaranteed employment--and profits--for owners of laundromats and/or suppliers of hand dish washing aids? That may well be the real end goal with all of this constant "efficiency standards" changes! Few ordinary people will be able to afford to BUY home dishwashers and/or laundry machines if this keeps up.

Or want to. :(
 
Can I just breathe on my t-shirts and call them clean? This is a load of you-know-what. A bunch of dag-flabbed spreadsheet bureaucrats without the slightest inkling of the parameters they're manipulating.

Know what happens when you put 2 gallons of water in a toploader and call it a rinse? It saves 35c worth of water a year, doesn't rinse, and destroys clothes. DUH!

But then "DUH" is about the kindest thing one can say about government at any time and particularly now. What next, toilets that flush with air? S-h-h-h-h, don't let them hear us say that, they'll do it. They've already made showers that don't shower and faucets that don't faucet.

I'm glad I'm old and won't have to endure much more of this nonsense.
 
From the DOE DIrect Final Rule - Clothes Washers

7. Performance Metric
DOE’s clothes washer test procedure provides a measure of representative energy and water use. It does not evaluate cleaning or rinsing performance or fabric care. AHAM, BSH, GE, and Whirlpool commented that DOE should add a performance measure, particularly because at the higher efficiency levels, clothes washers are reaching the limit where product performance and consumer satisfaction may not be economically reached.

 

<span style="color: #000000;">Ding!</span>

<span style="color: #000000;">I think we've passed that point with dishwashers, if you skim over the high points of the dishwasher DOE Direct Final Rule the future doesn't look too bright for dishwashing...
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This is 2012, and I've seen some of the latest front load washers and how little water they use........And to think that in 2015, that will seem like a lot of water.

No different than my Duet from 2005. In 2005, I thought it was ridiculous. Now, looking at the later machines, I feel like my Duet is a swimming pool.
 
Wow... that's all I can say.

Next thing you know, Americans will be smuggling Canadian washing machines over the border....

There is already a grey market for Canadian toilets... and for that very reason.

Do you wash or do you lavage? :)
 
I would love to see ALL of these GDSOBs actually have to use the machines they are pushing down the public's throats. This is all such total bullshit. The damn Dept. of Energy is supposed to be focused on breaking our dependence on fossil based energy, but they are tied face down to the mattress by the f***ing carbon energy industries so instead of pushing solar and geothermal along with wind and tidal turbine energy, this bureaucracy is pushing these defeatest ideas. If I were Obama or Chu, I would not want my name associated with such stupidity.

I am so glad to be as old as I am so that I won't have to put up with this insanity for that much longer.
 
Smaller capacity-more loads to wash

Another thing that will happen is the capacity of washing machines will get smaller. A load will consist of 2-large bath towels versus 6~8 that I can wash in my 2007 Whirlpool Duet. King size sheets will have to wash one at a time versus washing both sheets and pillow cases in one load. This means doing more loads of laundry which means no energy savings!

As far as Diswashers goes I guess we'll have to throw in a roll papertowels to help dishwashers since there will be no water to wash the dishes.

If our goverment spent as much time on hunger, the homeless and creating jobs as they do trying to save energy no one would ever be hungry, everyone would have a place to live and most everyone would have a decent job.

Sorry for my RANT and RAVE!
 
It's baffling to me why there is this race to the bottom.  It's hardly the government alone, the manufacturers (P&G is mentioned numerous times as well)  are the driving force behind the engineering and design of these machines and appear from the text of the DOE reports to be materially involved in the formation of  and cooperation with the new standards.   Much space in the report is given to explaining the technological development and dark magic used to reach these standards by manufacturers who are agreeing that it can be done.   Cooler washing temps in both clothes and dish washing operations among other mechanical feats  - the LG spray washing & rinsing, more food filters in dishwashers, etc. are being utilized to reach these standards.   Particularly interesting is the incorporation of the washer-cleaning cycles into the energy and resource standards.  Mold, mildew and odors are an obvious problem that they've gone from denying to embracing and attempting to solve with splashy cleaning programs and chemicals. In energy and resource use calculations will include provisions for running the "recommended" washer cleaning cycle once each month.  I haven't reached the life-span section of clothes washers, but for dishwashers the average life-span is roughly 15 years.  Uh huh. 
 
A lot of hot air and hoo ha commentary here on awo

regarding these standards. As a scientist I'd prefer to first see the research data on efficiency vs performance, and exactly how, in detail the efficiency will be acheived before making any judgement. What Combo52 says makes sense. Speculation and anecdotes are worthless.
 
Am I correct in that the manufacturers don't have to create machines to the Energystar standards, but that they do it for the tax credits?
 
Well. firedome, here is something you can take to the bank. Since the first Bendix Automatic Home Laundry ad in the late 30s on through all of the ads for automatic washers in the 50s, one of the delineated steps that the machine performed was "Cleans itself" right before "shuts itself off." This was a BFD because of all of the work necessary to properly clean, rinse & dry a conventional washer after use. It is only since the DOE & EPA got involved in laundry that machines have become growth chambers for exotic forms of flora through spreading the gospel of cold water laundering, effing with the formulas of detergents and designing machines that don't use sufficient water to carry off the soil from interior surfaces. All of the above about clothes washers applies to dishwashers. Members here with dishwashers produced before the lies & corruption that have taken hold do not have the need for dishwasher cleaners if they can still find phosphated detergents, nor do they need to either prewash or count on a cycle that takes several hours to produce clean dishes. No classic front loader in anyone's collection needs a cleaning cycle when used with proper detergents and the water temperatures the Lord intended for washing clothes. Textiles have not changed, YET. They still absorb a certain amount of water. They still need a certain concentration of detergent in the wash solution to wash soil out of the fibers AND THEY STILL NEED TO HAVE THAT DETERGENT SOLUTION RINSED OUT OF THE FIBERS. It is possible to do this with less water via very good extraction between increased low water level rinses, but nothing has changed the physical or chemical properties of the textiles we are laundering to make them need less rinsing.
 
Let me take a step back and play Devil's Advocate here with a question - how do these NEW standards compare with the existing UK/EU requirements and ratings? Is the US "leading" here in terms of low energy and water use still catching up (but not there yet?)

If we're not way out in front then I have a problem with the dire assessments of US machines future performance. Isn't it the common wisdom that most current EU machines will perform better than most US FLs, both in wash and rinse performance as well as energy use? If these same machines are ahead of us on lower water and energy use, then how is that possible, logically??
 
The PLAGUE

will soon be upon us. Disease and sickness abounds.

And ground zero will be a washing machine in the deep South where the operator thought that smell was normal.

Malcolm
 
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