New Miele W2 Nova Edition on Miele Swiss website

[mrlaundry1011]

Top energy efficiency

New model with A -40% called the EnergyHero. Retailing for £1299 but on outlet for £870 already

 

[logixx]

Very brief snippet of the wash action with a heavier load. All normal.

 

[henene4]

Typical, heavier cottons loads aren't really an issue.
LG has that "speed bump" kind if design in the new machines and as long as laundry is heavy enough to have enough friction between drum and itself, the centrifugal forces are enough to lift the laundry up enough to at least tumble the loads.

Once you get smaller loads or lighter items (like curtains, etc.), the weight of the laundry is so small that friction between drum and laundry gets so low you need really high drum speeds to have any effective laundry movement.

And if the items you want are delicate, you can't really use those high speeds.
And then you are SOL.

You could often compensate for that in certain ways, like higher water levels, so you could fast drum movement and still get relatively gentle washing.
But it doesn't sound like Miele would do that.

 

[logixx]

I suppose that is one reason Miele adjusted the jet to hit the clothes and not just the back of the drum, so that smaller loads can benefit from the jet as well.

 

[henene4]

You're absolutely right - totally missed how it's a wide angle spray kind of like the last gen Panasonic machines...

 

[mielerod69]

First videos

This is a video of the new T2 dryer.

 

[logixx]

There's also a video of the washer on Facebook. I asked the guy from Miele Welt if he could post it on his YouTube, too.

 

[mielerod69]

New wash action of the new W2

Swing wash action for small loads

 

[brisnat81]

Henrik, 3 hours to dry still seems like a lot. I washed 8 bath towels and two hand towels, which was a packed full load in the 8kg W8000. They spun at 1600rpm and still only took 90 minutes to dry to extra dry level in the T8000WP. For curiousity I washed and dried a second time in the T8001WP which is the revision that has a filter setup like the T1 Dryers and the same load took 105 mins, and came out needing to flash dry even with extra dry selected.

I look forward to seeing what speed mode does to the dry times, other than for efficiencies sake, there’s no reason it needs to take that long.

 

[henene4]

The T8001WP is COMPLETELY different to the W1. That's still a TwinPower dryer.

8 bath towels - depending on size - come out to (usually) no more than 8-10lbs, 5kg max.
They are fluffy, but not terribly heavy.
Further towels do dry pretty slowly regardless of dryer type.

Again: 9kg is something like 45 pure cotton T-shirts.
The dryer has about the same run times as the old Passion dryer. They did not majorly change the dryer in any performance relevant ways. It's slightly better in condensation, so a bit better sealing.
Otherwise, it will perform pretty much exactly like the W1 Passion.

 

[logixx]

So, what do we think of the wash action after the two videos were posted? Seems like - with small loads - the load is "massaged" by the drum, flipped over and then massaged again. Kinda like on a washboard. Of course, these were only very short clips.

It'll be interesting to see how the drum gets the clothes to distribute when a small load is washed. It can't just launch into spin.

I'm also guessing oversudsing is a no-no because the clothes will just slip even more.

 

[henene4]

I would guess sudsing is a lesser issue - without clothes dropping as much, there's less air introduced into the laundry.
Less whipping up, so to speak.

I would be way more interested in the wash times for small loads. You can compensate for low mechanical action woth long wash times - but that machine still claims 49min for the QPW.

 

[schulthess]

Disappointed so far

and observing other market player like Haier or V-Zug. V-Zug will introduce soon a drum with 6 lifters that also act as balancing system. Asko has further improved their User Interface in their newest line up, wondering if they will provide more shorter washing cycles.
Miele has also ditched the second heater in their Swiss W2 model, obviously working with low water levels.

 

[mielerod69]

Miele has also ditched the second heater

I downloaded the brochure, and only the bigfoot model has one heater, while the other two models can be connected to 400V, so I'm assuming they would have two heating elements.

 

[henene4]

What's really funny: Miele explicitly mentions under the usage table in the Swiss manual that all values are for 400V 2 phase connections.

Yet ALL cycles take the exact same times as the 230V models in Germany do.

I would not be surprised at all if that 400V connection does not do anything at all.

Heck even the parts diagram for the Swiss machine just shows one heater.

If it wasn't for the product data sheet saying it has 4.4kW of connected power and the front of the suds container showing the spaces for 2 heaters, I wouldn't believe they even went through the work do design that version.

But, given these have 2 heaters, I would again almost bet that anywhere from 1-5 years down the road, we'd get a W2 Little Giant.

 

[schulthess]

My bad I have just checked the Big Foot models specifications. But now I am even more confused with the information that in the parts list in only shows one heater but 2 spaces / ports for heater.
So what is the point of the Big Foot models? Bigger drum volume but same „kg capacity“ as the other models. Very confusing for a normal customer.
I have owned a Miele W1 Passion Swiss Model, it had two heater, but cycle times were same as on a German one heater version. It was just heating faster, you could have better washing results in the Express cycle.
No Miele for me in the laundry section.

 

[henene4]

So there is actually a quite simple explanation why they had to create those big drum models.

The new EU label introduced a max wash time which scales with load size to a max of 4h regardless of load size.
It think north of 9kg you hit the 4h or something like that.

This generation is obviously tuned to deliver any mechanical action more controlled.
Means: Less mechanical action per time if everything else stays equal.

Now: If you want to decrease energy usage (so, temperature) for the same chemistry (which is also given in regulation testing) and time (which is limited by law) you have to raise the mechanical action.

But if you're demand sheet for design lists a certain load size (9kg), your new drum design limits mechanical action and you aim for a certain efficiency, at some point, you have to gain mechanical action somewhere else.

How? As in commercial laundry, you drop your weight/volume ratio.

As I said:
I don't see the big foot model selling.
Lower spin speed, same (apparent) load size, same wash time.
Only up is the -20% rating.

 

[schulthess]

Thank you for the explanation — very interesting! Personally, I’ve found that the best balance of thorough cleaning, gentleness, and minimal wrinkling comes from a large drum filled to a maximum of two-thirds capacity, with a spin speed of around 800–1000 rpm.

For optimal washing, clothes need to be properly lifted and allowed to fall at the right angle to hit the drum wall effectively. A good water flow is also essential, ensuring that garments are fully submerged in a well-concentrated detergent solution. A recirculation pump can really enhance performance, as can well-designed drum paddles that lift and distribute water efficiently.

Excited to read the first reviews on the Miele models.

 

[logixx]

There are now videos of the washer on Facebook. With a full load, it looks like any other washing machine.

 

[mielerod69]

max wash time

I think this is a great idea, especially since wash times have become absurdly long.

Some machines now claim to have a 14kg capacity with only an 83-litre drum, which results in a 6:1 capacity-to-drum ratio.

In the past, the kg capacity was calculated based on a 10:1 ratio—every 10 litres of drum space could handle 1kg of dry laundry.

It seems that the ideal ratio is closer to 8:1. For example, Miele recently launched an A-40% model with a 65-litre drum, reducing the capacity from 9kg to 8kg.

In my experience, the most I've ever put in my 9kg Miele is 7kg, and that was a full load.

I hope this approach becomes part of the AU standard, especially considering some wash cycles can last over 5 hours!

https://www.miele.de/product/12705740/w1-waschmaschine-frontlader-wwe380-wps-pwashundsteamund8kg