New owner of a 2015 Speed Queen TL washer!
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supersurgilator
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All I know is it is the same company that has been making their control boards for the past 25 years.
How long is the actual wash time then? Maybe like 10 minutes on light and 14 on heavy? Also, how long is the final spin on the heavy duty cycle? From the descriptions in the manual I downloaded, it shows only a 5 minutes spin on the heavy duty but the normal eco has a 9 minute spin. I feel the spin should at least be 7 minutes.
How long is the actual wash time then? Maybe like 10 minutes on light and 14 on heavy? Also, how long is the final spin on the heavy duty cycle? From the descriptions in the manual I downloaded, it shows only a 5 minutes spin on the heavy duty but the normal eco has a 9 minute spin. I feel the spin should at least be 7 minutes.
supersurgilator
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Also does the control keep your settings from the previous cycle or does it reset back to default?
gusherb
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I haven't timed it yet but it seems pretty short, 10-12 minutes at most maybe? I'm actually surprised at how short it seems (might just be that I'm still used to front loaders though).
In heavy duty the final drain out/spin starts at the 9 minute mark.
Yes it does hold the settings from the previous cycle.
I will try and have a video up tomorrow.
Oh one more thing, I watched it again go into initial spin in the Heavy Duty cycle and it does run in low speed for that. Oh and I must correct myself on saying there is no spray rinse at all in the heavy duty cycle, there is in the Initial spinout.
In heavy duty the final drain out/spin starts at the 9 minute mark.
Yes it does hold the settings from the previous cycle.
I will try and have a video up tomorrow.
Oh one more thing, I watched it again go into initial spin in the Heavy Duty cycle and it does run in low speed for that. Oh and I must correct myself on saying there is no spray rinse at all in the heavy duty cycle, there is in the Initial spinout.
mrb627
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Updated Videos
These posted yesterday from Alliance. Enjoy.
Malcolm
These posted yesterday from Alliance. Enjoy.
Malcolm
I like the look of the electronic controls and wish we had Speed Queen in Canada instead of the Huebesch version. Looking at their website, they have replaced all the words on the control panel with nothing but symbols. I don't know how anyone is supposed to figure out what all the buttons are for just by looking at symbols. I know the intention is to make it easier no matter what language you speak but it sure isn't easier for me.
Gary
Gary
they are beautiful.....only wishing they had a full panel light.....
can't help but think they resemble a FemBot.....
can't help but think they resemble a FemBot.....
Cost Of The New SQ Washers With Electronic Controls
Electronic controls are likely to cost more than the timer that SQ was using, especially when you use decent quality ECs.
I sold three SQ TL washers this week, all AWN432s, I installed the first one this afternoon, and it still has a mechanical timer, interestingly the price went DOWN on the AWN432, we are selling it for the same price as the AWN412, our delivered and installed price in our service area is $769 + tax.
Electronic controls are likely to cost more than the timer that SQ was using, especially when you use decent quality ECs.
I sold three SQ TL washers this week, all AWN432s, I installed the first one this afternoon, and it still has a mechanical timer, interestingly the price went DOWN on the AWN432, we are selling it for the same price as the AWN412, our delivered and installed price in our service area is $769 + tax.
gusherb
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For my AWNE82 I paid $749 plus opted for the $28 dollar installation and haul away (it was totally worth it to have that Samsungtag carried out) plus tax.
They wanted $699 for the AWN432, I never asked about the AWNE92 but I'm guessing $799. Another appliance store across town that still had the AWN542 in stock wanted $775.
So at least in my own personal experience, the prices didn't go up.
And to everyone waiting on a video, I'll try and do it tomorrow or Saturday (have to wait til nobodies home so the videos not full of distractions). Went to film it today and realized my camera battery wasn't charged (I also couldn't scrounge up anything to wash, I did everything in lightning fast time yesterday!)
They wanted $699 for the AWN432, I never asked about the AWNE92 but I'm guessing $799. Another appliance store across town that still had the AWN542 in stock wanted $775.
So at least in my own personal experience, the prices didn't go up.
And to everyone waiting on a video, I'll try and do it tomorrow or Saturday (have to wait til nobodies home so the videos not full of distractions). Went to film it today and realized my camera battery wasn't charged (I also couldn't scrounge up anything to wash, I did everything in lightning fast time yesterday!)
gusherb
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Ok guys I've got a video up.
I didn't edit it so it's the full length. It got cut off toward the end of the final spin though, so you miss the end of cycle signal, but you hear it at the beginning when I turned it on.
I didn't edit it so it's the full length. It got cut off toward the end of the final spin though, so you miss the end of cycle signal, but you hear it at the beginning when I turned it on.
Thanks for the video! I do have one question, though: how does that spray rinse on Eco Normal work? All I can see is the water hitting the base of the agitator, while most of the clothes and the suds on the basket seem to remain untouched.
mrb627
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Under the Lid
I noticed the lack of instructions on the lid as well. Looks ODD without them. Do they still have them on the coin-op machines?
Malcolm
I noticed the lack of instructions on the lid as well. Looks ODD without them. Do they still have them on the coin-op machines?
Malcolm
mrb627
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PreWash
How much time does the PRE-WASH add?
Is the fill flume part of the tub ring or mounted to the machine cabinet?
I too would like to see an Eco rinse. With and without second rinse.
When filling with warm water, do you hear the valve cycling the hot on and off? Wondering how the TOL model has 4 temp options...
Malcolm
How much time does the PRE-WASH add?
Is the fill flume part of the tub ring or mounted to the machine cabinet?
I too would like to see an Eco rinse. With and without second rinse.
When filling with warm water, do you hear the valve cycling the hot on and off? Wondering how the TOL model has 4 temp options...
Malcolm
gusherb
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I didn't even notice the missing diagram, I guess they figure nobody reads them anyway?
The machine has only been run in Normal Eco once and it wasn't by me, so I didn't get to watch it. I can tell you this though, the normal Eco cycle is pretty short. I'm pretty sure the rinse is just a long spray rinse.
When you add a rinse to the normal Eco cycle it adds on 10 minutes and is a full deep tub rinse. Speed Queen specifically says not to use normal Eco if you're using fabric softener.
Malcolm: the pre wash adds 15 minutes to the timer.
The fill flume is mounted to the cabinet.
I believe these machines do have some form of ATC but every bit of Info I've found says that ATC is only enabled in the Normal Eco cycle, which I've confirmed to be true. Heavy Duty cycle gives TRUE hot (with no flow restriction mind you) water and 50/50 mixing on warm.
I'll see what I can scrounge up for clothing, and do another video on Normal Eco!
The machine has only been run in Normal Eco once and it wasn't by me, so I didn't get to watch it. I can tell you this though, the normal Eco cycle is pretty short. I'm pretty sure the rinse is just a long spray rinse.
When you add a rinse to the normal Eco cycle it adds on 10 minutes and is a full deep tub rinse. Speed Queen specifically says not to use normal Eco if you're using fabric softener.
Malcolm: the pre wash adds 15 minutes to the timer.
The fill flume is mounted to the cabinet.
I believe these machines do have some form of ATC but every bit of Info I've found says that ATC is only enabled in the Normal Eco cycle, which I've confirmed to be true. Heavy Duty cycle gives TRUE hot (with no flow restriction mind you) water and 50/50 mixing on warm.
I'll see what I can scrounge up for clothing, and do another video on Normal Eco!
Conjecture on the cost of the control
Indeed I would guess that the actual cost of a single board is likely more then the mechanical timer they were using.
But, the overall the electronic control may be less expensive when you consider its flexibility to be used across other models with just a software change. With a mechanical timer you have to change the cams and contacts to reprogram. Because of the versatility of the base electronic control board there may be some economics of the platform scale that favor it. Having to manufacture a different mechanical timer for each machine increases costs.
Also moving forward the electronic control offers 'smarts' that a mere mechanical timer can't. While some eschew the idea of electronic controls, they will ultimately become necessary for sales due to market pressure. Very difficult to sell a basic appearing machine for the same cost as one that looks like the Space Shuttle flight deck, even if the innards are better... I like the fact that the machine can potentially function with system feedback to control the cycle based on various inputs, this is difficult/impossible with a simple mechanical timer.
Finally to reliability I would wager that SQ cared enough to use decent stuff. On the flip side I wonder if the mechanical timers they have been using in the recent years are any where near the quality of the vintage timers we all know and love. I have to think that cost pressures have made recent mechanical timers less likely to last the way their vintage brethren did.
Indeed I would guess that the actual cost of a single board is likely more then the mechanical timer they were using.
But, the overall the electronic control may be less expensive when you consider its flexibility to be used across other models with just a software change. With a mechanical timer you have to change the cams and contacts to reprogram. Because of the versatility of the base electronic control board there may be some economics of the platform scale that favor it. Having to manufacture a different mechanical timer for each machine increases costs.
Also moving forward the electronic control offers 'smarts' that a mere mechanical timer can't. While some eschew the idea of electronic controls, they will ultimately become necessary for sales due to market pressure. Very difficult to sell a basic appearing machine for the same cost as one that looks like the Space Shuttle flight deck, even if the innards are better... I like the fact that the machine can potentially function with system feedback to control the cycle based on various inputs, this is difficult/impossible with a simple mechanical timer.
Finally to reliability I would wager that SQ cared enough to use decent stuff. On the flip side I wonder if the mechanical timers they have been using in the recent years are any where near the quality of the vintage timers we all know and love. I have to think that cost pressures have made recent mechanical timers less likely to last the way their vintage brethren did.
gusherb
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As requested here is the Al Gore...errr Normal Eco wash...
If you've noticed by now they have this model only doing a low speed spin drain after the wash cycle, in Normal Eco and Heavy Duty. Our Amana and every SQ I've seen on YT did a high speed spin drain after the wash... [this post was last edited: 4/3/2015-14:52]
If you've noticed by now they have this model only doing a low speed spin drain after the wash cycle, in Normal Eco and Heavy Duty. Our Amana and every SQ I've seen on YT did a high speed spin drain after the wash... [this post was last edited: 4/3/2015-14:52]
That spray rinse seems much more effective than what my WP 4800 does, but I'm still not convinced that it truly rinses the whole load. I'd always just use the extra rinse option or the Heavy Duty cycle. The spray rinse on the WP is water falling directly down on the agitator as the tub slowly pulse-turns, the water barely even touches the clothes. It fills with a inch or two's worth, and then proceeds to the final spin.
gusherb
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That's why I've only used the Heavy Duty cycle so far, because of the spray rinsing and, because of the fact that Normal Eco only uses cold water.
I doubt I'll ever use Normal Eco as long as I want my clothes to actually come out clean and rinsed properly.
Now that I've seen it through the full Eco cycle, I go back on assuming the machine has any kind of ATC, it just simply uses only cold on the Normal Eco or full cold, 50/50 mix for warm, or full hot on Heavy Duty.
I doubt I'll ever use Normal Eco as long as I want my clothes to actually come out clean and rinsed properly.
Now that I've seen it through the full Eco cycle, I go back on assuming the machine has any kind of ATC, it just simply uses only cold on the Normal Eco or full cold, 50/50 mix for warm, or full hot on Heavy Duty.
