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Dixan, I don`t like insolubles like zeolithes as well so I switched to liquids a long time ago. Don`t miss the bleach as I can still add some H2O2 based stain remover when really needed. Whether EDTA is toxic or not is disputable, but as a matter of fact most of it won`t be removed in waste water treatment. However biodergadability in the environment is a very slow process and for the worst part it`ll leach out heavy metals from sediments before it finally breaks down.

I agree that zeolithes are kind of obsolete and have a bunch of disadvantages like being abrasive, they increase the amount of useless sludge in waste water treatment and their remaining dust in clothes is another problem.
The fact that most powders decreased zeolithe content significantly stands only true for traditional big box powders but not for compact powders. According to our consumer testing group the main reason for this trend is the high costs of zeolites. It may also be worth mentioning that in the last test of powders compact Ariel for example did a brilliant job and the big box one failed compleately. All other compacts also did a better job than their traditional counterparts. This is probably not only the result of reduced amounts of zeolithes but still.

Laundress, we`ve been told a lot in the past by our consumer group and the Bundesumweltamt (Environmental Agency) regarding what detergents we should use in terms of pollution and some opinions seem to have changed.
They always preferred compacts over big box ones because traditional powders contain lots of salts like sodium sulfate as filler which may end up in ground water. Salt cannot be removed in waste water treatment and threatens our wells. I wonder why this isn`t a problem in the States where whole house water softeners are so commonplace.
Liquids have been demonized for years mainly because of their very high surfactant content But apparently formulars have changed now and in terms of pollution haven`t heard anything negative about them anymore.
 
Unfortunately compact powders are available only in Germany and two-three other countries. It's normal to be better - they contain higher amounts of bleach and surfactants. The zeolite content in compact powders can't be decreased with the current granulation technology.

I know the results from the test you mention. It's strange how private label products are better than brands like Ariel or Persil. For example, the best traditional powder is Formil (Lidl own brand); Tandil compact (Aldi) is better than Megaperls. Good job, Dalli Werke!
The only compact powder we have here is Denkmit (DM drugstore; I think it's manufactured by Thurn Produkte... or Dalli, I'm nor sure). I really like it's whitening power. Lidl persist and don't import their Formil compact.
 
Have some German professional laundry detergent

In my stash made by Kreussler chemie. It is for colors so contains no bleach, but also has nil Zeolites. Am here to tell you the stuff is very concentrated but does an excellent job on all sort of laundry from dress shirts to bed/table linens. It also is one of the most clean rinsing detergents one has in our stash.
 
Ariel Test Results

When Which? tested our detergents, they ranked Lidl's Formil, just ahead of Ariel for cleaning performance.

Ariel is sold here as a 'big box' powder, but there has been some form of compaction/concentration over the past few years.

The only liquid to get a decent result for keeping white articles bright, was Unilever's Persil.
 
"It's strange how private label products are better than brands like Ariel or Persil."

Think much depends upon where these private label products are sourced.

Dalli Werke and Kreussler Chemie aren't exactly poor companies producing cheap imitation products. IIRC one or both are where Miele turned for their private label laundry products.

Now that Henkel has firmly taken Dial into hand it will be interesting to see if serious competition arises against P&G. Ever since Tide came onto the scene P&G has been the dominate laundry product producer in the USA. Tide simply is the top dog to take on. However the past recession exposed chinks in that armor as people discovered they can get decent enough to acceptable washing from less expensive products.

Am not surprised Henkel killed off Wisk. Certain formulas of Wisk detergent ranked rather high in Consumer Reports testing in past, some coming quite near Tide.
 
Launderess, I find it strange, because usually private label products are much cheaper than branded ones. Cheap means that some ingredients are missing or the quantity is lower. Take the bleaching system: for a good bleaching system you need certain ratio between persalt and activator. Activators are expensive, so cheap products don't contain activator or they contain very low amount of it. It means poor bleaching action. However, it's not the case with Dalli's products (the manufacturer of Formil, Tandil and many other home brands). Their powders contain great bleaching system, various sorts of enzymes, surfactants in good levels... Good for them!
Dalli is my favourite private label manufacturer - from shampoos, conditioners and creams to cleaning products and detergents, the quality is excellent and the prices are very nice. May I be excused by the guys in the UK, but McBride's products are horrible.
 
"McBride's products are horrible"

Philistine! Non-believer! I am deeply shocked! LOL

I know exactly what you mean...

A few years ago, ALDI in the UK had Almat washing tablets sourced from Dalli Werke. They had five enzymes (protease, amylase, cellulase, lipase, mannanase). Quite a nice fragrance too, a sweet, peppery type smell.

The latest formulation is from McBride. Three enzymes (protease, amylase, lipase). The fragrance is different - it reminds me of the circular blue "Spring Bouquet" air-freshener fitted to Hoover Ltd's Turbopower cleaners. Not my favourite.

I've tried McBride's 'Clean & Fresh' powder. The fragrance was like Plasticine modelling material. One enzyme, protease. Minimal suds - but I don't know if that was because of a poor ratio of surfactants to fillers, or whether it was actually designed to be a lower foaming powder. I imagine the former.
 
Aside from the smell, McBride formulations are bad. Not good quality at all. And this is the largest private label manufacturer in Europe... I wonder why.
 
Quite impressed!

I saw the new Persil power gems for sale in Asda..£11.00 for a 19 wash bottle...I bought it and did a wash this morning..Minimum iron 40 in my Miele..a mixed wash of bedding, towels and tea towels..i, too put them in the drawer rather than the drum.
I wasn't too impressed with the smell when I took the washing out and thought it cleaned "ok".i hung it out and went to work. when I bought the washing in ,however...WOW everything was really bright which shocked me and the smell actually was nice, not overpowering, but fresh! I have a black wash to do tonight and am in two minds if I should use it for that!
 
Sorry..my mistake

The bottle of power gems I bought was 30 wash...not 19 wash for £11.00. Still expensive, I know. I'm just doing a black wash with them, instead of using Surf black liquid...Hope it will be ok...
 
Actually NOT impressed!

I've just hung out my black wash, washed in the new Persil on a dark wash 40. I normally wash in Surf black liquid with a scoop of vanish with no problem. I can be a messy pup and one of my t shirts had an oil based stain...well, it done nothing!..its back in the basket for next weeks wash!!
For the cost of this "premium" detergent, I would have expected it to wash as well as a liquid with vanish, so I won't be buying again...I will use it on the coloured bedding.
 
Oil based stain

I had an oil based stain too, splashes from cooking oil.

I washed the offending article once with Tesco Bio tablets (stain still present after drying).

Washed a second time with the same tablets - stain still there after drying.

Washed a third time, this time with Lidl's Formil Bio Powder. The stain is now gone completely.
 
Interesting Rolls_rapide

I have never tried their bio powder. I tried the colour powder one once and it turned to stone in the drawer...it actually took the smooth surface of the plastic off so I never used again!Do you have any issues with the bio powder or is it worth trying?
Regards
Michael
 
"took the smooth surface off the plastic"

That has happened with both my mum's and my sister's Bosch machines - and they use standard Ariel!

The smooth plastic becomes very, very rough, almost as though it is deteriorating. Not only the drawer, but the bottom of the soap box too - where the tidemark is left, as the dissolving powder has been sluiced away. Pretty weird. I think it must be to do with zeolite content.

I did notice a small blob of undissolved Lidl Formil in my machine, about the size of a grape seed. Nothing major, but I have heard of Aldi's powder clumping in the drawer.

I quite like Lidl's Formil, due to the reasonably subdued fragrance.

I can't abide Ariel after the items have dried - I'm absolutely sure they've got Frebreeze rubbish in there - even in the standard powder. It's vile.
 
Totally agree

I, too cannot stand the STENCH of Ariel!Years ago, it had a pleasant fresh smell and was an excellent powder...now, if a customer comes in the shop,i can tell that awful smell straight away!
 
Formil in the UK and the one here are the same. It's great detergent. The German version is somehow better. I've never had any residues in the drawer or on the clothes; it removes all the stains and it's cheap. I don't really like liquids, but I tried Formil superconcentrated liquid detergent and I have to say I'm impressed.
I wonder do you have any other detergent brands in Lidl? I mean, Lidl own brands, not Ariel, Persil, etc. We have Formil as TOL and also we have MaxiTrat and LEL as BOL.
 
Lidl's own detergents

No, my local Lidl only has "Formil" laundry detergents. I seem to vaguely remember years ago, the "Maxitrat" brand. I wonder if that was a 'special promotion' at the time?

Usually, these days, our 'specials' are the giant size packs of Formil 'Tropical' Powder or some such.

I noticed too, that Formil Bio tablets aren't carried (green box), but the Non-Bio tablets (blue box) are still in stock, as are the ones in the lilac box.
 

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