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I did a boil wash with the new Persil pearls...I have had to do it again using good old Persil bio powder...All the tea towels came out with the stains still in, in fact, I swear there was more stains than what they went in with!...lol...
Seriously though, a hygiene 95 wash with the powder has never let me down..i am sooo disappointed with these pearls, I think they will disappear soon,i cant be the only one let down
 
Boil wash let you down

Well it would, wouldn't it? These new Persil "perls" or whatever do not contain bleaching agents, so the increased temperature to hot or even boiling isn't going to get one very far. Since it seems the product relies mainly upon enzymes, surfactants and whatever else besides bleach to shift soils/stains, hotter water temps probably are of limited to nil use.

Have used non bleach containing enzyme based laundry products to soak badly soiled things. Usually after overnight soaking most stains are gone totally or at least shifted well enough. Often what remains are either traces or marks with heavily pigmented matter such as red wine, currants, berries, tea, etc.. For that one must use bleach, nothing else will do.
 
IMHO Nothing beats Persil non bio powder

In the whites wash ! Have tried a lot of products over the years but always go back to big box Persil. I believe the non bio has a higher bleach content which when washed higher than 50c temp makes every thing WHITE not bluey white like Daz or Ariel but proper white. I have a Miele W4449 which has a built in pump to dispense liquid detergent I have as yet to use it because according to the instructions I need a special container that sits on top of the washer .... Not happening as the dryer is there. So would anyone who may have or used to have a similar Miele to mine know if the pump is gravity fed or will it dispense from a tube in a bottle sat at the side ?
Thanking anyone who may know :)]
Austin
 
"Whites wash with the new Persil"

That's definitely not good.

Maybe Unilever has jinxed itself by including the dreaded "Power" word on the label? The last time "Power" was used, it meant disintegrated clothes.

By all means, Unilever should make a super concentrated detergent - but please do so using all the technologies that have been proven to work. Don't neuter the product and pass it off as something else. Ill-conceived and poorly executed.

It still isn't in my local Tesco. Maybe some regions are a testing ground?
 
It still isn't in my local Tesco. Maybe some regions ar

As far as I can tell, ONLY Asda or Morrisons are carrying them (mainly Asda) at the moment - searched ALL supermarkets since the announcement on the 23rd June.

I got 2 bottles today - they smell nice enough.

The marketing would certainly not have you believe that they don't contain Bleach (but most people wouldn't know/care).

Although, this could be a trend, as Daz took oxygen bleach out of their Powder a few months back.
 
"Daz took oxygen bleach out of their Powder..."

Whaaat?! (I went and checked...)

You're right! The swines!

What's going on, some kind of cartel to get rid of sodium percarbonate?

I bought a box of 'Daz 65 Years', and I thought it was the usual stuff - I haven't used any of it yet.

On info-pg.com, standard 'Daz' had the bleach. I thought 'Daz 65' was the same formulation.

'Daz 65 Years' I now presume to be the same as 'Daz - Whites & Colours'. No bleach. Ingredients below.

DAZ WHITES & COLOURS:

Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Dodecylbenzenesulfonate
Sodium Silicate
Zeolite
Aqua
Sodium Acrylic Acid/MA Copolymer
Cellulose Gum
C14-15 Pareth-7
Citric Acid
Sodium Laureth Sulfate
Sodium Chloride
Co-polymer of PEG / Vinyl Acetate
PARFUM
Tetrasodium Etidronate
Hydrated Silica
PEG/PPG-10/2 Propylheptyl Ether
Disodium Distyrylbiphenyl Disulfonate
Brightener 15
Kaolin
Microcrystalline Cellulose
Silicone Compound
Titanium Dioxide
Sodium Polyacrylate
Sodium Starch Octenylsuccinate
Dextrin
Hexyl Cinnamal
Polyethylene Glycol
Limonene
Tripropylene Glycol
Polyvinyl Alcohol
Protease
Citronellol
Mannanase
Calcium Carbonate
Lipase
Colorant
Sodium Hydroxide
Magnesium Sulfate
Trideceth-n
Sucrose
Dichlorodimethylsilane Rx. with Silica
Zinc Phthalocyanine Sulphonate
Amylase
 
Daz,

Yes, sorry :)

There was a big test campaign by P&G a few months ago when they "rejigged" Daz and made it for "whites&colours" (see link).

P&G obviously figured (people couldn't give a hoot), were getting fed up of needing different products for different wash loads, so they designed their line (powder/liquid/pods) as being "suitable" for all wash loads.

Unfortunately, as we are all well aware, there is ALWAYS going to be a compromise somewhere when using one product (to be fair to Daz, their booklet on SSM did acknowledge this - can't find booklet on the site, but it should be there).

So my guess is, they took the bleach out, upped the blue whitener and called it an all round detergent.

Of course, as we are all aware, if manufacturers had their way, powder would be gone, but they just can't make that break at the moment.

 
No oxygen bleach...

... leads to the question, how is one supposed to keep the machine clean and free of mould if the bleach isn't present? And whites will become dingy too.
 
... leads to the question, how is one supposed to keep the m

Too true.

Suppose it will keep Dettol/Dr Beckmann, Bosch, Samsung, Hotpoint (and so on) happy.

LOL.

And now Persil have done it too. Launch a new product, to combat the problems of low temp washes with liquids (this is how Powergems was positioned at launch) and then they take the Bleach out :/
 
Oh well...

...if this trend keeps going, it looks as if Lidl's Formil will soon have no competition in the cleaning of whites.

I didn't think it was possible, but P&G have dumbed down yet further, their bottom line powder. What's next, empty packets?
 
P&G, Henkel, and many others sell various "booster" laundry products that are nothing more than oxygen bleach (with or without activators)and enzymes along with perhaps others things.

So if one's wash isn't coming clean with these bleach free versions of Persil, Daz or whatever, said companies will likely recommend/steer one in that direction.

Mind you this has been going on for some time now as liquids, gels and other fluid formats have edged out powdered laundry detergent. Again most it not all of those products do not contain bleach so....
 
Boosters

Correct Laundress.

Our main and very long time one here in the UK is Vanish (made by Reckitt Benckizer, who interestingly, don't have any laundry "detergent" products on the UK market).

RB must dance with glee with what P&G and Unilever (our only branded detergent makers - as we have no Henkel laundry either) do to their formulas.

As I'm sure you already know, a few years back, Ariel launched a whole range of them (at least 8-10 products) of boosters, but they didn't stay on the market long. Think P&Gs mistake was giving it the same name as their TOL (and most prized brand in Europe (besides Pampers)). I know I remember thinking it was almost as if they were saying Ariel detergent wasn't good enough on its own.

Although I know the main intent was probably to aim it at non-Ariel detergent users.
 
P&G Sells Various Boosters Here Under The Tide Brand

Have to say quite fancy some of them:

https://tide.com/en-us/shop/type/laundry-booster

https://www.amazon.com/Tide-Boost-Vivid-Bright-Booster/dp/B0094DK2WK?th=1

https://www.thespruce.com/tide-boost-stain-release-pacs-review-2147215

https://www.amazon.com/Tide-Boost-Wash-Booster-Count/dp/B003X0F8BA

Like them for doing laundry where one wants an activated bleaching system (good for hot or just warm wash), and or soaking in cold water; but don't want to deal with all the fillers such as Zeolites in Tide or other detergent powders.

They are also good when using certain liquid detergents that are "free' of enzymes, dyes, etc.. such as Linen Wash. That stuff is good for cleaning linens but no so much at shifting stains, so....
 
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More stains showing up *after* a boil wash

Well, that brings back memories, LOL!

I've seen that happening a lot when friends and family, who, BTW, claimed to be happy with their laundry routines and with how white their clothes were, for one reason or another put a load in the washer for a "boil" wash (95C/205F), or even just boiled a handful of small garments on the stovetop, usually to remove only one or two stains that were being stubborn.

Of course, I find out, because I'm usually the first person to get a call to ask what to do next and what "made new stains show up after the boil wash".

It doesn't take much to find another few pieces of cloth they have around that are "clean", even when you look at them, to show them what happened and make it happen again.

You look at say, a "white" kid's t-shirt and it looks fine. You bring it near a source of bright light, like a lamp or window and it looks fine, but when you look *thru* it so the light is not reflecting, but passing thru, and you may just see new stains show up and disappear depending on how the light reflects or passes thru the fabric.

What's going on?

Well, some manufacturers found out that when places like Consumers Reports and Which? etc test how well their laundry detergents clean, they do so "scientifically" by using a color spectrometer, of whatever fancy name they have, but the thing is that the machine gets easily confused when enough optical brighteners are involved.

In the early 90's for example, one of the cases that I've seen was a t-shirt that looked just fine, but when you made the light pass thru the fabric you could clearly see where a chocolate milk had been. The article had been washed with a product that had gotten Consumer Reports top pick. The detergent that we used that removed the stain by just washing it had been in second or third place for both "cleaning" and "whitening", because, although it actually *cleaned* much better than the first pick (probably had more enzymes and more than one detergent), it did not have as much optical brightener or a kind that did not glow as aggressively as the first product.

Because those stains are not fully removed, they bake on multiple cycles in the dryer, and when one boil washes the clothes, you remove most of the dirt around it and the old stains show again. You can repeat the process or use stain removers to get the old stains out.

BTW, that's usually the *other* thing I hear about -- when the articles are boiled on the stovetop for the first time and people are looking at the process, they also report that the water was disgustingly dirty, when all the articles had been previously washed and they were just trying to remove a few stains.

So, anyway, not saying that this is what happened to Michael, but it's what it reminded me of, given that boiling or washing clothes at temperatures higher than 60C/140F is not very common here in US, although as more and more washers start offering the option of a "sanitary" wash, we're beginning to see more of this happening.

Cheers,
   -- Paulo.
 
Paulo

Yep, Ariel did a whole advertising campaign "close up clean" for that very thing.

Basically saying, they look clean, but are they really?



 
They've actually made Daz into 2 separate products with one specifically for whites (with bleach) and the general use one without it. Whites & Colours is their new bleach-free product and Ultra Whites is basically the old one with a new name.

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All good with big box Persil bio

I re washed everything with Persil bio powder on cottons 60 with prewash...everythings spotless as i would expect..those gem pearls will keep for bedding...
 
Ah! New Daz Ultra White!

Thanks for that, I had no idea it was on the market too.

My view is:

(a) Two similar Daz products take up more shelf space in the supermarkets, and that space is already at a premium. I can't imagine they'd coexist for long.

(b) Similar styles of packs will surely cause confusion for some consumers, with some folk accidentally picking up the wrong one and wondering why their whites aren't dazzling, whilst others do the opposite and wonder why their coloureds are fading.

Why on Earth don't P&G just make a modular powder detergent - basically for coloured laundry, but with a user-added bleaching component for whites and stubborn stains?

Something like, say for example, an imagined packet of 'Daz Colour Preserver Powder' + a packet of 'Daz White Booster'. I think Ecover had a modular system of basic powder and separate bleach.

With decent authoritative advertising, P&G should be able to get the message across loud and clear.
 

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