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I concur regulations are ok...........to a point

I'm not total lazy fare (sic) yet on the other hand, I'm not one that believes when in doubt, add another rule, ban, regulation et cetera.

 

You are 100% correct, I HAVE been quite vociferous in certain replies.  Point taken, however it does go both ways and there have been others on here with pro govt points of view that have been most critical of me.  I recall I was once labeled as out of touch and my favorite, head in the sand.  I still get a chuckle on that one.

 

Back to the topic, I'm against over regulation by an un-elected entity like the DOE and EPA.  Notice I said over regulation. Not regulation per se.  While I have a certain level of respect for political leaders, I do not nor have I fallen into line that 'the gov't says so therefore it's gospel because they KNOW what is best for all of us".  If we are a representative democracy, then we need to take back control over our lives rather than let unelected bureaucrats do it for us. Just sayin.

 

I still question why, thanks to these regulations, that we now need to invest in "cleaners" to clean the the machines (dishwasher and washer). Did anyone consider the environmental cost to create, produce, and distribute this stuff? I doubt it. And while we're on topic, since there appears to be a water shortage, why is it necessary to create cycles that do not wash clothes but are there to clean the very machine that is designed to clean your laundry?  Yet somehow this is not a waste of resources?

 

I generally try to be congenial but when I am attacked, either directly or indirectly, I will fight back.
 
Your head is where?

Well Ben, at least the sand is better than the other popular option . . .

 

As for why we need cleaners to run though our cleaners, that's easy.   A corporatocracy now exists in this country, and any method they can come up with to create more revenue to keep for themselves rather than give back to the system that enriches them, they will lobby for and receive on a silver platter from the congressional representatives they bought and paid for as a result of a tilted SCOTUS upholding Citizens United.

 

 

 

 
 
Ben

thanks for your thoughtful and intelligent reply!

If truth be told we probably agree on many things. And both you and Ralph make very valid arguments about the ridiculousness of having “cleaners” and cleaning cycles for our washers and dishwashers.

I’m hoping that as time goes by and the manufactures of appliances get better at it, the changes to our appliances to make them more water and energy efficient will be better thought out and more user friendly. Just look at the most recent invovations from both Speed Queen and Maytag, looks like they are both listening to what the consumer really wants.

And I agree with you, if I feel like I’ve been attacked I’ll defend myself too,nothing wrong with that.

I hope that you have a great day!
Eddie[this post was last edited: 12/7/2017-16:35]
 
Ok, now I'm chiming in.

This scourge against machine cleaners is ridiculous.
I'm 34, ... yeah just a "kid" but I'm old enough to remember the "good ole days."
Do you know what else I remember?
I remember my parents running Glisten through our 1970s GE dishwasher because after a while it would scale up or have some stains in the Plastisol.
Now that machine used probably 10gal of water on Short Wash.
Yet it still needed internal cleaning from time to time.

You know what else I remember?
I remember my mom (or her having ME) clean out the center agitator of soap and softener scum in our old Maytag washer. That and the little holes in the lint filter. That machine used lots of water, hot if you wanted it. Yet still needed to be periodically cleaned.

You know what else I remember? Running cups of Cascade through different washing machines I had in apartments because they were DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!
We're talking DD Whirlpools. Post FF GEs. They had all sorts of gross buildup that needed some caustic cleaners run through them. Especially if neglected.
Speaking of which. That "oh so nostalgic" GE Filter-Flo scent that some swoon about on here? That's from scum buildup on the outer tub and transmission boot in those famous Filter-Flos.
I sure as heck bet those could've used some good doses of Affresh.

Machines ALWAYS required some cleaning and maintenance as long as I can remember.
Modern machines use a lower level of water, so yes, they don't always flush themselves out as well, all the time.
But let's not get all "harumph-y" that we now all of a sudden have to clean our cleaners because of the stoopid gubmint putting its nose where it don't belong.
These machine cleaners have always been around to fulfill a need. And they still do today.
I run my Maxima through a Clean cycle every time it tells me to.
Is it necessary? No, actually, it isn't. My boot is mold free, and the drum smells fresh all the time. Even if I skip a month. But I do it anyway because I like KEEPING my machines clean and in proper order.

End rant :)
 
I also stopped by a dealer today who was commpletely OUT of the old models and said he won't be getting anymore in :( He was taking a wait list for the new machines coming in January.
 
Energy and Safety Regulations On New Appliances

Are mainly created by the appliance manufactures in conjunction with Experts that are funded by our elected representatives, and I and the majority of Americans generally support these efforts that have made life much safer, made our clothes and dishes cleaner all while saving the environment and saving consumers untold amounts of money.

 

Every other advanced country in the world is doing the same thing, so there is nothing wrong with the general approach we are taking in the US.

 

Hi Ben, your comments are unpatriotic, but as an American you are free to express them as often as you like , however it puts you in the same group that burns American Flags, and I support you as well as other protesters with an automatic monthly donation  to the ACLU.

 

John L.
 
Uh oh, now I'm a flag burner.

 

I guess I've been called worse.

 

Well I guess for my civics lesson for day is............don't question the goobermint because they have all the right answers to what ails us.

We have a twtter-in-chief along with 435 nimrods that cannot come up with an industrial policy that creates jobs, a health care plan that does not allow the likes of Martin Shiekel to bone us, cannot seem to address the doughboy and his ever growing nuclear arsenal, cannot come up with a workable budget w/o borrowing funds to keep our goobermint going,  can't figure out the opiod epidemic, can't seem to restore basic electrical power in PR, can't figure out illegal immigration, doesn't know how to engage or react to Putin and still spends far too much money and seeks to grow in power and wealth confiscation..................and yet you have the blind faith that these dolts have enough brain power to tell you how much water  you are allowed to use to do your laundry?

Are these the same so called experts that had our panties in a bunch back in the 70's when we were told that the next ice age is just around the corner?  I find it mildly amusing how we've moved from "global warming" to "climate change".   Wonder what catchphrase they'll come up with next?

 

For shits and giggles, I think da donald should put algore in charge of the EPA.  That would be a real laugher. Al and Donald fighting it out; hell it would beat any reality show.  If nothing else, it might overtake "keeping up with the Kardumians" . With all the stupidity in DC today, I doubt having algore in charge of the EPA will make much of a difference.  Maybe he'd give us 15 minute informercials instead of powerpoints to make us all feel guilty for turning on a light bulb. And by golly, if it is a 100 year old edison bulb, then off the the algore school of ecology for you!
 
I'm on here because i love appliances especially washers, and come here to chat with others about my passion, not come here to listen to grown up adaults call eachother names. If it upsets you that much then maybe you should take a break from aw.org instead of ruining it for the rest of us and turning this into a hostile environment.
 
Actually there are 535 nimrods.  Alabama is on the verge of replacing one of the biggest, most mendacious ones with a super-sized one.

 

We're all SOL until corporate entities and their shadow groups are forbidden from contributing to any of them individually or to their campaigns -- and there's a push to co-mingle church and state in that regard now too.  If you want to restore the integrity and effectiveness of both houses of congress, you'll have to get behind campaign finance reform or nothing will change.

 

OK, now back to the gnashing of teeth over a so/so performing (JMO) line of TL washers.  It is safe to say they're better at their jobs than our elected representatives, though.

 

 
 
The Most Corrupt

period for our US Congress was the last quarter of the 19th century, when big railroads and big steel, and the rise of big oil, combined to control the legislators. The Republican party has tirelessly worked to enable big money, for the last couple of generations, to have easier access to our politicians, combined with easier control of them through financial support. The worst, for me, was the SC decision to allow PAC's to give all they want to anyone they want as long as aren't 'directly connected' with the politician or party. My ass.

The stupid Christians in this country who are in favor of seeing churches participating in the political process with impunity are forgetting that no one supports their churches more than the Muslims. Those of us who are Christian are notorious, particular the black and Hispanic minorities, for under-supporting Christian churches financially. Not so the Muslims. The fools just haven't given any consideration to that eventuality.

I've made no secret on here that I'm a churchgoing Roman Catholic. However--I absolutely reject any effort to tangle church and state. We are supposed to be a secular nation, several of our most influential founding fathers weren't Christian or were so in only the loosest definition. I have no problem with having churches taxed just like any other institution--that's true separation.

And those who haven't adequately thought through this concept of allowing some type of theocracy here may find it comes back to bite them.
 
I agree John K,

and get what you mean, like when Carnegie sold to JP Morgan for example.

Last year the ceo of General Electric was urging us to vote republican, and yesterday announced a looming job cut of 12,000.
There were corporate tax cuts also in 2004, and they've sheltered profits in Switzerland, etc. for decades. Where were all the jobs?
Bob Lutz of General Motors, etc. lineage was Swiss born. His father a financial mogul there and abroad. Follow the money.
 
Ben, (Washman)

social security did work, and had a surplus until congress heisted it in the 1960's.
When I think about it, all taxes are other peoples money. All of ours, so it is a social concept.
Oh well, only 3 things for certain, taxes, death and trouble.
No flag burners in my family. My grandfather was in WW1, my dad in France during Korea 1953-1955, 4 cousins served in the Navy, and a cousins husband in Viet Nam. He has Parkinson's form agent orange.
 
Wow...this went off-topic quickly...

Anyone out there got any praise/dislikes of their AFNE9BSP113TW01 Washers? Still happy with their performance? Ideas Speed Queen should incorporate into their new Front Load models?

Jeff
 

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