No Consumer Speed Queen Front Loaders in 2018??
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new speed queen models' sounds
I wonder what the new speed queens will sound like. I can't wait to see the operation. What are the controls from left to right?
I wonder what the new speed queens will sound like. I can't wait to see the operation. What are the controls from left to right?
Actually there are 535 nimrods. Alabama is on the verge of replacing one of the biggest, most mendacious ones with a super-sized one.
We're all SOL until corporate entities and their shadow groups are forbidden from contributing to any of them individually or to their campaigns -- and there's a push to co-mingle church and state in that regard now too. If you want to restore the integrity and effectiveness of both houses of congress, you'll have to get behind campaign finance reform or nothing will change.
OK, now back to the gnashing of teeth over a so/so performing (JMO) line of TL washers. It is safe to say they're better at their jobs than our elected representatives, though.
We're all SOL until corporate entities and their shadow groups are forbidden from contributing to any of them individually or to their campaigns -- and there's a push to co-mingle church and state in that regard now too. If you want to restore the integrity and effectiveness of both houses of congress, you'll have to get behind campaign finance reform or nothing will change.
OK, now back to the gnashing of teeth over a so/so performing (JMO) line of TL washers. It is safe to say they're better at their jobs than our elected representatives, though.
The Most Corrupt
period for our US Congress was the last quarter of the 19th century, when big railroads and big steel, and the rise of big oil, combined to control the legislators. The Republican party has tirelessly worked to enable big money, for the last couple of generations, to have easier access to our politicians, combined with easier control of them through financial support. The worst, for me, was the SC decision to allow PAC's to give all they want to anyone they want as long as aren't 'directly connected' with the politician or party. My ass.
The stupid Christians in this country who are in favor of seeing churches participating in the political process with impunity are forgetting that no one supports their churches more than the Muslims. Those of us who are Christian are notorious, particular the black and Hispanic minorities, for under-supporting Christian churches financially. Not so the Muslims. The fools just haven't given any consideration to that eventuality.
I've made no secret on here that I'm a churchgoing Roman Catholic. However--I absolutely reject any effort to tangle church and state. We are supposed to be a secular nation, several of our most influential founding fathers weren't Christian or were so in only the loosest definition. I have no problem with having churches taxed just like any other institution--that's true separation.
And those who haven't adequately thought through this concept of allowing some type of theocracy here may find it comes back to bite them.
period for our US Congress was the last quarter of the 19th century, when big railroads and big steel, and the rise of big oil, combined to control the legislators. The Republican party has tirelessly worked to enable big money, for the last couple of generations, to have easier access to our politicians, combined with easier control of them through financial support. The worst, for me, was the SC decision to allow PAC's to give all they want to anyone they want as long as aren't 'directly connected' with the politician or party. My ass.
The stupid Christians in this country who are in favor of seeing churches participating in the political process with impunity are forgetting that no one supports their churches more than the Muslims. Those of us who are Christian are notorious, particular the black and Hispanic minorities, for under-supporting Christian churches financially. Not so the Muslims. The fools just haven't given any consideration to that eventuality.
I've made no secret on here that I'm a churchgoing Roman Catholic. However--I absolutely reject any effort to tangle church and state. We are supposed to be a secular nation, several of our most influential founding fathers weren't Christian or were so in only the loosest definition. I have no problem with having churches taxed just like any other institution--that's true separation.
And those who haven't adequately thought through this concept of allowing some type of theocracy here may find it comes back to bite them.
vacerator
Well-known member
I agree John K,
and get what you mean, like when Carnegie sold to JP Morgan for example.
Last year the ceo of General Electric was urging us to vote republican, and yesterday announced a looming job cut of 12,000.
There were corporate tax cuts also in 2004, and they've sheltered profits in Switzerland, etc. for decades. Where were all the jobs?
Bob Lutz of General Motors, etc. lineage was Swiss born. His father a financial mogul there and abroad. Follow the money.
and get what you mean, like when Carnegie sold to JP Morgan for example.
Last year the ceo of General Electric was urging us to vote republican, and yesterday announced a looming job cut of 12,000.
There were corporate tax cuts also in 2004, and they've sheltered profits in Switzerland, etc. for decades. Where were all the jobs?
Bob Lutz of General Motors, etc. lineage was Swiss born. His father a financial mogul there and abroad. Follow the money.
vacerator
Well-known member
Ben, (Washman)
social security did work, and had a surplus until congress heisted it in the 1960's.
When I think about it, all taxes are other peoples money. All of ours, so it is a social concept.
Oh well, only 3 things for certain, taxes, death and trouble.
No flag burners in my family. My grandfather was in WW1, my dad in France during Korea 1953-1955, 4 cousins served in the Navy, and a cousins husband in Viet Nam. He has Parkinson's form agent orange.
social security did work, and had a surplus until congress heisted it in the 1960's.
When I think about it, all taxes are other peoples money. All of ours, so it is a social concept.
Oh well, only 3 things for certain, taxes, death and trouble.
No flag burners in my family. My grandfather was in WW1, my dad in France during Korea 1953-1955, 4 cousins served in the Navy, and a cousins husband in Viet Nam. He has Parkinson's form agent orange.
jcturbot
Active member
Wow...this went off-topic quickly...
Anyone out there got any praise/dislikes of their AFNE9BSP113TW01 Washers? Still happy with their performance? Ideas Speed Queen should incorporate into their new Front Load models?
Jeff
Anyone out there got any praise/dislikes of their AFNE9BSP113TW01 Washers? Still happy with their performance? Ideas Speed Queen should incorporate into their new Front Load models?
Jeff
Guys please do me a favor and keep the politics and religion in Dirty Laundry. Thanks everyone!
Heater and steam in new models!!!!
Wow!! Did you get confirmation on that Bob? If the new model has an internal heater, there will be one in my laundry room as soon as they're available. That's AWESOME!
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Whoops. Just scrolled back a couple of posts. My bad. Man, I was all ready to do my happy dance, LOL.
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Whoops. Just scrolled back a couple of posts. My bad. Man, I was all ready to do my happy dance, LOL.
Why is Alliance so reluctant to include heaters on FL machines for the home? It seems they're the only holdout, and based on remarks made in this thread and many others before it, are losing sales due to the lack of a heater.
I would seriously consider a SQ FL if it had a heater.
I would seriously consider a SQ FL if it had a heater.
that answer sounded too much like their explanation of their TLers.....
select Hot you will get Hot, but select Warm, and you get a 60/40 mix...
but then, the main thing is what your water heater is set at....
mine is set at 180...a 10 or 20 degree drop would not be a big drop...YMMV
select Hot you will get Hot, but select Warm, and you get a 60/40 mix...
but then, the main thing is what your water heater is set at....
mine is set at 180...a 10 or 20 degree drop would not be a big drop...YMMV
wft2800
Well-known member
With the rest of the industry largely moving to cold-fill-only (or having done so years ago), only using onboard heating, I cannot understand Alliance's no-heater stance. They're losing out on sales as a result. Also, why are they still only doing a 27" line? Granted, I'm in the UK and they don't sell on the domestic market here AFAIK, but the one place I've got to put a 27" machine, I've got no hot water supply... otherwise I'm stuck with 24" under-counter models (and as what's available here on that market is cold-fill-only, I don't actually have hot water hooked up other than to the sink).
Looks like I'll be sticking with Miele for the time being...
Looks like I'll be sticking with Miele for the time being...
jcturbot
Active member
Just got word directly from Speed Queen-not good.
"Hi Jeffrey,
Thank you for contacting Alliance Laundry Systems.
The residential front load machines will be discontinued in 2018
Sincerely,
Arlyn Kastein
CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE
920-748-3121
Alliance Laundry Systems
www.alliancelaundry.com"
"Hi Jeffrey,
Thank you for contacting Alliance Laundry Systems.
The residential front load machines will be discontinued in 2018
Sincerely,
Arlyn Kastein
CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE
920-748-3121
Alliance Laundry Systems
www.alliancelaundry.com"
Wow! So they redesigned them a year or two ago just to discontinue them? Stunned.
Probably wasn't worth another redesign.
I mean, for the FLs, the only sales argument was durability.
Compared to other offerings on the market, they were smaller, had no heater, fewer sellable features, and all that for a significantly more expensive overall purchase.
That will have kept sales low over all.
Redesigning to meet new energy requirements while upping market share would have ment that they'd have to create an entire new base machine to allow for competition-capable features (30min standard cycle, more the 4 cuft capacity, heater/sanitize etc.).
And that most likely was not economicly viable.
I mean, for the FLs, the only sales argument was durability.
Compared to other offerings on the market, they were smaller, had no heater, fewer sellable features, and all that for a significantly more expensive overall purchase.
That will have kept sales low over all.
Redesigning to meet new energy requirements while upping market share would have ment that they'd have to create an entire new base machine to allow for competition-capable features (30min standard cycle, more the 4 cuft capacity, heater/sanitize etc.).
And that most likely was not economicly viable.
lordkenmore
Well-known member
I have to admit I have mixed feelings about SQ's decision to stop selling home FL washers.
For me, here are my thoughts, which--as usual--have as about much depth as dried out mud puddle:
Thought #1: it's not terribly relevant, since the last time I bought a new washer was never.
Thought #2: But if I did buy new, buying something that could last a long time would be tempting.
Thought #3: But while I value durability, I'd really, really like a heater based on what i hear with other's experiences.
Past my laundry room, I also wonder about the wisdom of abandoning FL machines given the argument--which makes sense to me--that the long term home washer winner will be FL designs, and TL machines will sooner or later fade away.
For me, here are my thoughts, which--as usual--have as about much depth as dried out mud puddle:
Thought #1: it's not terribly relevant, since the last time I bought a new washer was never.
Thought #2: But if I did buy new, buying something that could last a long time would be tempting.
Thought #3: But while I value durability, I'd really, really like a heater based on what i hear with other's experiences.
Past my laundry room, I also wonder about the wisdom of abandoning FL machines given the argument--which makes sense to me--that the long term home washer winner will be FL designs, and TL machines will sooner or later fade away.
This Won't Be The End
They'll be back, I have no doubt. Does anyone on here know how they sold? I know my local dealer only had the top loaders on the floor.
And I agree with others--I'd definitely expect an internal heater at that price, regardless of length of guarantee. And as fat pig Americans continue to get ever fatter, probably when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.
They'll be back, I have no doubt. Does anyone on here know how they sold? I know my local dealer only had the top loaders on the floor.
And I agree with others--I'd definitely expect an internal heater at that price, regardless of length of guarantee. And as fat pig Americans continue to get ever fatter, probably when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.
lordkenmore
Well-known member
when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.
Larger machines also appeal, I think, to laziness of modern Americans--get the drudgery of laundry done in one load!!! Or there is the selling point of being able to wash anything no matter how big at home.
I've said this before, but large capacity is not of much interest to me. It might--only might--be of interest for doing bulky comforters and the like. But for daily laundry needs, large capacity is of zero interest. I tend to aggressively sort loads, I live alone, and I'm not interested in having a wardrobe larger than the entire Men's Ready Made Department at Grace Brothers.
Larger machines also appeal, I think, to laziness of modern Americans--get the drudgery of laundry done in one load!!! Or there is the selling point of being able to wash anything no matter how big at home.
I've said this before, but large capacity is not of much interest to me. It might--only might--be of interest for doing bulky comforters and the like. But for daily laundry needs, large capacity is of zero interest. I tend to aggressively sort loads, I live alone, and I'm not interested in having a wardrobe larger than the entire Men's Ready Made Department at Grace Brothers.
Capacity appeal
I don't think that most Americans actually know which capacity they need.
So they go with the bigger the better.
And quite honestly, I can't fault them. While 3.x cuft is adaquate for most normal sized households, if I could get a 4.x cuft machine for less money, the extra capacity would be nice.
Keep in mind that with modern machines and longer cycle times, running less full loads is actually kind of appealing for generally shorter cycles.
And you can fill less in a bigger machine, but more in a smaller one might cause issues.
But yeah, the heater option would be a must have if they ever come back. I mean, it was there, and it really isn't the most expensive feature.
The programming already has it in place, so the relais will be there as well.
I don't think that most Americans actually know which capacity they need.
So they go with the bigger the better.
And quite honestly, I can't fault them. While 3.x cuft is adaquate for most normal sized households, if I could get a 4.x cuft machine for less money, the extra capacity would be nice.
Keep in mind that with modern machines and longer cycle times, running less full loads is actually kind of appealing for generally shorter cycles.
And you can fill less in a bigger machine, but more in a smaller one might cause issues.
But yeah, the heater option would be a must have if they ever come back. I mean, it was there, and it really isn't the most expensive feature.
The programming already has it in place, so the relais will be there as well.
What the rep told us was that they can't keep up at the factories because they keep expanding...
They are Discontinuing the single units in feb of 18 but will keep making stacked units.
They also did mention that they are the least profitable item they make.
They are Discontinuing the single units in feb of 18 but will keep making stacked units.
They also did mention that they are the least profitable item they make.
New SQ FL Washers Available in 2018 ?
We really do not know yet, we just got the literature today for the new restyled FL machines and they are making all models in RH and now the odd LH hinged models in 2018.
I can see that they can't be making much money on the FL models, when you consider that you can buy a 50 year washer for only $1500 this would easily make these great washers the cheapest to own AWs ever available for use in the home.
I also predict that SQ may start to push the FL machines in a year or so when they see how much the new TL washers fall in sales.
In any event anybody that wants a great price on a new SQ washer, either FL or TL I would buy it in the next 2 weeks.
John L.
We really do not know yet, we just got the literature today for the new restyled FL machines and they are making all models in RH and now the odd LH hinged models in 2018.
I can see that they can't be making much money on the FL models, when you consider that you can buy a 50 year washer for only $1500 this would easily make these great washers the cheapest to own AWs ever available for use in the home.
I also predict that SQ may start to push the FL machines in a year or so when they see how much the new TL washers fall in sales.
In any event anybody that wants a great price on a new SQ washer, either FL or TL I would buy it in the next 2 weeks.
John L.
Or...if the redesigned top-loader doesn't fare well in the marketplace, will Alliance decide the residential line is more bother than it's worth and begin producing only commercial machines?
Speed Queen's residential line has disappeared before.
Oh, well. My speculation leads nowhere. What will be will be.
Speed Queen's residential line has disappeared before.
Oh, well. My speculation leads nowhere. What will be will be.
Price
Is the price going up on their FL and TLs?
Is the price going up on their FL and TLs?
repair-man
Well-known member
So many different stories....
Who knows what will happen in the end. When I recently had a factory engineer from Ripon here to try and resolve some of the issues that I have with my 10 machines he had a different story. His story was that they need to stop selling the Horizon FL for the commercial setting. Too many laundry owners are buying them instead of the true commercial duty hard mount 20# machine expecting the same results. I guess I'm guilty of that. $2K vs. $4K each. Only time will tell but he's not the first factory person to tell me that the Horizon F/L was built to the same life expectancy as the T/L. About 10,000 cycles. I'm not sure I'll get that. Nice looking machines and they perform well when there is not a problem. The original purpose of these machines was to offer a low cost alternative when replacing T/L machines that also fit in the same foootprint.
Who knows what will happen in the end. When I recently had a factory engineer from Ripon here to try and resolve some of the issues that I have with my 10 machines he had a different story. His story was that they need to stop selling the Horizon FL for the commercial setting. Too many laundry owners are buying them instead of the true commercial duty hard mount 20# machine expecting the same results. I guess I'm guilty of that. $2K vs. $4K each. Only time will tell but he's not the first factory person to tell me that the Horizon F/L was built to the same life expectancy as the T/L. About 10,000 cycles. I'm not sure I'll get that. Nice looking machines and they perform well when there is not a problem. The original purpose of these machines was to offer a low cost alternative when replacing T/L machines that also fit in the same foootprint.
jcturbot
Active member
combo52,
Can you post a pic of the new 2018 restyled SQ FL machines?
I want to see what the new control panel looks like. Liking the left side hinge as well.
Jeff
Can you post a pic of the new 2018 restyled SQ FL machines?
I want to see what the new control panel looks like. Liking the left side hinge as well.
Jeff
launderess
Well-known member
"Hello, Thank you for your question. In 2018, there will be stricter government regulations we need to comply with for one cycle on the machine. There will be some modifications to our current top load washers beginning with January 2018 production. What will not change is that our design specifications remain at 10,400 cycles giving you a long life, a high degree of reliability backed by a strong warranty, and great Washability. For most cycles, you still get a full tub of water for wash and rinse and the temperature you select for washing is still hot or warm or cold and not blended."
https://www.speedqueen.com/products/front-load-washers.aspx?mn=AFNE9BSP113TN01#build-your-own
What a lot of palaver.
A reasonable query was made and the response answers nothing clearly.
One would think a company like Alliance Laundry would at least have one person issuing talking points on this matter. Rather it seems every other customer service person or otherwise connected with that company has their own response.
Might as well stop at front gate and ask the security guard or perhaps one of the secretaries at this point.
https://www.speedqueen.com/products/front-load-washers.aspx?mn=AFNE9BSP113TN01#build-your-own
What a lot of palaver.
A reasonable query was made and the response answers nothing clearly.
One would think a company like Alliance Laundry would at least have one person issuing talking points on this matter. Rather it seems every other customer service person or otherwise connected with that company has their own response.
Might as well stop at front gate and ask the security guard or perhaps one of the secretaries at this point.
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