Heater and steam in new models!!!!
No Consumer Speed Queen Front Loaders in 2018??
- Thread starter jcturbot
- Start date
Help Support :
Wow!! Did you get confirmation on that Bob? If the new model has an internal heater, there will be one in my laundry room as soon as they're available. That's AWESOME!
Edit:
Whoops. Just scrolled back a couple of posts. My bad. Man, I was all ready to do my happy dance, LOL.
Edit:
Whoops. Just scrolled back a couple of posts. My bad. Man, I was all ready to do my happy dance, LOL.
Why is Alliance so reluctant to include heaters on FL machines for the home? It seems they're the only holdout, and based on remarks made in this thread and many others before it, are losing sales due to the lack of a heater.
I would seriously consider a SQ FL if it had a heater.
I would seriously consider a SQ FL if it had a heater.
that answer sounded too much like their explanation of their TLers.....
select Hot you will get Hot, but select Warm, and you get a 60/40 mix...
but then, the main thing is what your water heater is set at....
mine is set at 180...a 10 or 20 degree drop would not be a big drop...YMMV
select Hot you will get Hot, but select Warm, and you get a 60/40 mix...
but then, the main thing is what your water heater is set at....
mine is set at 180...a 10 or 20 degree drop would not be a big drop...YMMV
wft2800
Well-known member
With the rest of the industry largely moving to cold-fill-only (or having done so years ago), only using onboard heating, I cannot understand Alliance's no-heater stance. They're losing out on sales as a result. Also, why are they still only doing a 27" line? Granted, I'm in the UK and they don't sell on the domestic market here AFAIK, but the one place I've got to put a 27" machine, I've got no hot water supply... otherwise I'm stuck with 24" under-counter models (and as what's available here on that market is cold-fill-only, I don't actually have hot water hooked up other than to the sink).
Looks like I'll be sticking with Miele for the time being...
Looks like I'll be sticking with Miele for the time being...
jcturbot
Active member
Just got word directly from Speed Queen-not good.
"Hi Jeffrey,
Thank you for contacting Alliance Laundry Systems.
The residential front load machines will be discontinued in 2018
Sincerely,
Arlyn Kastein
CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE
920-748-3121
Alliance Laundry Systems
www.alliancelaundry.com"
"Hi Jeffrey,
Thank you for contacting Alliance Laundry Systems.
The residential front load machines will be discontinued in 2018
Sincerely,
Arlyn Kastein
CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE
920-748-3121
Alliance Laundry Systems
www.alliancelaundry.com"
Wow! So they redesigned them a year or two ago just to discontinue them? Stunned.
Probably wasn't worth another redesign.
I mean, for the FLs, the only sales argument was durability.
Compared to other offerings on the market, they were smaller, had no heater, fewer sellable features, and all that for a significantly more expensive overall purchase.
That will have kept sales low over all.
Redesigning to meet new energy requirements while upping market share would have ment that they'd have to create an entire new base machine to allow for competition-capable features (30min standard cycle, more the 4 cuft capacity, heater/sanitize etc.).
And that most likely was not economicly viable.
I mean, for the FLs, the only sales argument was durability.
Compared to other offerings on the market, they were smaller, had no heater, fewer sellable features, and all that for a significantly more expensive overall purchase.
That will have kept sales low over all.
Redesigning to meet new energy requirements while upping market share would have ment that they'd have to create an entire new base machine to allow for competition-capable features (30min standard cycle, more the 4 cuft capacity, heater/sanitize etc.).
And that most likely was not economicly viable.
lordkenmore
Well-known member
I have to admit I have mixed feelings about SQ's decision to stop selling home FL washers.
For me, here are my thoughts, which--as usual--have as about much depth as dried out mud puddle:
Thought #1: it's not terribly relevant, since the last time I bought a new washer was never.
Thought #2: But if I did buy new, buying something that could last a long time would be tempting.
Thought #3: But while I value durability, I'd really, really like a heater based on what i hear with other's experiences.
Past my laundry room, I also wonder about the wisdom of abandoning FL machines given the argument--which makes sense to me--that the long term home washer winner will be FL designs, and TL machines will sooner or later fade away.
For me, here are my thoughts, which--as usual--have as about much depth as dried out mud puddle:
Thought #1: it's not terribly relevant, since the last time I bought a new washer was never.
Thought #2: But if I did buy new, buying something that could last a long time would be tempting.
Thought #3: But while I value durability, I'd really, really like a heater based on what i hear with other's experiences.
Past my laundry room, I also wonder about the wisdom of abandoning FL machines given the argument--which makes sense to me--that the long term home washer winner will be FL designs, and TL machines will sooner or later fade away.
This Won't Be The End
They'll be back, I have no doubt. Does anyone on here know how they sold? I know my local dealer only had the top loaders on the floor.
And I agree with others--I'd definitely expect an internal heater at that price, regardless of length of guarantee. And as fat pig Americans continue to get ever fatter, probably when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.
They'll be back, I have no doubt. Does anyone on here know how they sold? I know my local dealer only had the top loaders on the floor.
And I agree with others--I'd definitely expect an internal heater at that price, regardless of length of guarantee. And as fat pig Americans continue to get ever fatter, probably when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.
lordkenmore
Well-known member
when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.
Larger machines also appeal, I think, to laziness of modern Americans--get the drudgery of laundry done in one load!!! Or there is the selling point of being able to wash anything no matter how big at home.
I've said this before, but large capacity is not of much interest to me. It might--only might--be of interest for doing bulky comforters and the like. But for daily laundry needs, large capacity is of zero interest. I tend to aggressively sort loads, I live alone, and I'm not interested in having a wardrobe larger than the entire Men's Ready Made Department at Grace Brothers.
Larger machines also appeal, I think, to laziness of modern Americans--get the drudgery of laundry done in one load!!! Or there is the selling point of being able to wash anything no matter how big at home.
I've said this before, but large capacity is not of much interest to me. It might--only might--be of interest for doing bulky comforters and the like. But for daily laundry needs, large capacity is of zero interest. I tend to aggressively sort loads, I live alone, and I'm not interested in having a wardrobe larger than the entire Men's Ready Made Department at Grace Brothers.
Capacity appeal
I don't think that most Americans actually know which capacity they need.
So they go with the bigger the better.
And quite honestly, I can't fault them. While 3.x cuft is adaquate for most normal sized households, if I could get a 4.x cuft machine for less money, the extra capacity would be nice.
Keep in mind that with modern machines and longer cycle times, running less full loads is actually kind of appealing for generally shorter cycles.
And you can fill less in a bigger machine, but more in a smaller one might cause issues.
But yeah, the heater option would be a must have if they ever come back. I mean, it was there, and it really isn't the most expensive feature.
The programming already has it in place, so the relais will be there as well.
I don't think that most Americans actually know which capacity they need.
So they go with the bigger the better.
And quite honestly, I can't fault them. While 3.x cuft is adaquate for most normal sized households, if I could get a 4.x cuft machine for less money, the extra capacity would be nice.
Keep in mind that with modern machines and longer cycle times, running less full loads is actually kind of appealing for generally shorter cycles.
And you can fill less in a bigger machine, but more in a smaller one might cause issues.
But yeah, the heater option would be a must have if they ever come back. I mean, it was there, and it really isn't the most expensive feature.
The programming already has it in place, so the relais will be there as well.
What the rep told us was that they can't keep up at the factories because they keep expanding...
They are Discontinuing the single units in feb of 18 but will keep making stacked units.
They also did mention that they are the least profitable item they make.
They are Discontinuing the single units in feb of 18 but will keep making stacked units.
They also did mention that they are the least profitable item they make.
New SQ FL Washers Available in 2018 ?
We really do not know yet, we just got the literature today for the new restyled FL machines and they are making all models in RH and now the odd LH hinged models in 2018.
I can see that they can't be making much money on the FL models, when you consider that you can buy a 50 year washer for only $1500 this would easily make these great washers the cheapest to own AWs ever available for use in the home.
I also predict that SQ may start to push the FL machines in a year or so when they see how much the new TL washers fall in sales.
In any event anybody that wants a great price on a new SQ washer, either FL or TL I would buy it in the next 2 weeks.
John L.
We really do not know yet, we just got the literature today for the new restyled FL machines and they are making all models in RH and now the odd LH hinged models in 2018.
I can see that they can't be making much money on the FL models, when you consider that you can buy a 50 year washer for only $1500 this would easily make these great washers the cheapest to own AWs ever available for use in the home.
I also predict that SQ may start to push the FL machines in a year or so when they see how much the new TL washers fall in sales.
In any event anybody that wants a great price on a new SQ washer, either FL or TL I would buy it in the next 2 weeks.
John L.
Or...if the redesigned top-loader doesn't fare well in the marketplace, will Alliance decide the residential line is more bother than it's worth and begin producing only commercial machines?
Speed Queen's residential line has disappeared before.
Oh, well. My speculation leads nowhere. What will be will be.
Speed Queen's residential line has disappeared before.
Oh, well. My speculation leads nowhere. What will be will be.
Price
Is the price going up on their FL and TLs?
Is the price going up on their FL and TLs?
repair-man
Well-known member
So many different stories....
Who knows what will happen in the end. When I recently had a factory engineer from Ripon here to try and resolve some of the issues that I have with my 10 machines he had a different story. His story was that they need to stop selling the Horizon FL for the commercial setting. Too many laundry owners are buying them instead of the true commercial duty hard mount 20# machine expecting the same results. I guess I'm guilty of that. $2K vs. $4K each. Only time will tell but he's not the first factory person to tell me that the Horizon F/L was built to the same life expectancy as the T/L. About 10,000 cycles. I'm not sure I'll get that. Nice looking machines and they perform well when there is not a problem. The original purpose of these machines was to offer a low cost alternative when replacing T/L machines that also fit in the same foootprint.
Who knows what will happen in the end. When I recently had a factory engineer from Ripon here to try and resolve some of the issues that I have with my 10 machines he had a different story. His story was that they need to stop selling the Horizon FL for the commercial setting. Too many laundry owners are buying them instead of the true commercial duty hard mount 20# machine expecting the same results. I guess I'm guilty of that. $2K vs. $4K each. Only time will tell but he's not the first factory person to tell me that the Horizon F/L was built to the same life expectancy as the T/L. About 10,000 cycles. I'm not sure I'll get that. Nice looking machines and they perform well when there is not a problem. The original purpose of these machines was to offer a low cost alternative when replacing T/L machines that also fit in the same foootprint.
jcturbot
Active member
combo52,
Can you post a pic of the new 2018 restyled SQ FL machines?
I want to see what the new control panel looks like. Liking the left side hinge as well.
Jeff
Can you post a pic of the new 2018 restyled SQ FL machines?
I want to see what the new control panel looks like. Liking the left side hinge as well.
Jeff
