One nice thing about old cars, is they don't depreciate like new cars do. If you were to buy a car back in the 1960's for $7,000.00, and if you were to sell it now, you would probably get $8,000.00-$10,000.00 for it. New cars loose a lot of value in the first five years.
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One nice thing about old cars, is they don't depreciate like new cars do. If you were to buy a car back in the 1960's for $7,000.00, and if you were to sell it now, you would probably get $8,000.00-$10,000.00 for it. New cars loose a lot of value in the first five years.
lordkenmore
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Yes, new cars lose a lot of value--starting the second you first start it to drive it off the lot... But that's always been true--those cars of the 60s dropped in value, too. It's just that they have had enough time to become collectible, and thus start appreciating in value. Indeed, I half wonder if the situation wasn't worse once with depreciation. (Perhaps someone who was around and paying attention can tell us what the depreciation realities were like in past decades vs. now.)
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Ford Model A as a daily driver:
John
thanks for sharing the video of the daily driver Model A Ford.
When my parents got married in1948 my Dad was in law school on the GI Bill. He owned a 39' La Salle at the time. Anyway, they went on a modest honeymoon on the Russian River and came back with only $7.00 to last for the next two weeks before either of them would get their next paycheck. So my Dad sold the La Salle for a couple of hundred bucks and they bought a 1930 Model A Tudor for $75.00.
Mom didn't have her license yet and no one wanted to teach her so she taught herself in the Model A. Then she went down to the the DMV and took her test. They had a Skye Terrier at the time that shed all over the inside of the car. The examiner got in wearing a blue serge suit, and immediatly began brushing off the dog hair. Well this Model A had tendency for the throttle linkage coming loose, and wouldn't you know it it came loose during Mom's exam. She was only 4'9", but she knew how to fix it. So when the car died at a stop sign, she got out, rolled up the hood, took out her screw driver and reconnected the linkage. By this time Mr. Blue Serge Suit had had quit enough. He said, "Lady if you can drive this thing, you can drive anything, take me back you got your license".
My Mom used to love telling us this story. Every time I see a Model A I think of it. Thanks for letting me share it with you.
Eddie
thanks for sharing the video of the daily driver Model A Ford.
When my parents got married in1948 my Dad was in law school on the GI Bill. He owned a 39' La Salle at the time. Anyway, they went on a modest honeymoon on the Russian River and came back with only $7.00 to last for the next two weeks before either of them would get their next paycheck. So my Dad sold the La Salle for a couple of hundred bucks and they bought a 1930 Model A Tudor for $75.00.
Mom didn't have her license yet and no one wanted to teach her so she taught herself in the Model A. Then she went down to the the DMV and took her test. They had a Skye Terrier at the time that shed all over the inside of the car. The examiner got in wearing a blue serge suit, and immediatly began brushing off the dog hair. Well this Model A had tendency for the throttle linkage coming loose, and wouldn't you know it it came loose during Mom's exam. She was only 4'9", but she knew how to fix it. So when the car died at a stop sign, she got out, rolled up the hood, took out her screw driver and reconnected the linkage. By this time Mr. Blue Serge Suit had had quit enough. He said, "Lady if you can drive this thing, you can drive anything, take me back you got your license".
My Mom used to love telling us this story. Every time I see a Model A I think of it. Thanks for letting me share it with you.
Eddie
lordkenmore
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You're welcome, Eddie!
Thanks for sharing the story about your mother's driving test. I loved it!
Thanks for sharing the story about your mother's driving test. I loved it!
lordkenmore
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Another Model A video. This one interested me in that it shows the realities of driving a really old car where just about nothing is automatic. Even something as simple as starting the car is considerably more complicated than we are used to. It's a bit a long--20 minutes--but it's probably not necessary to watch the whole video.
vacerator
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The old Ford
Model T and A plant is being turned into Lofts.
My company built a new store in the 90's in Highland Park, and put a Model T in the atrium. The shopping plaza was called Model T plaza.
Unfortunately theft at that store was rampant. I'm certain most of the funds spent there were food stamps.
That was the last store opened in the inner city until Kroger built one in Rivertown near down town last decade. Now Whole Foods has also, and Aldi.
Off point, but important to me, so not sorry, but sorry if you're not interested. Can't please everyone.
Mikes fresh markets occupy a few of our former stores. The Aldi at the Gross Pointe park border gets a lot of suburban customers. The neighborhood adjacent has yet to be gentrified, but it's a start.
As younger people become higher educated, they become employed in non manufacturing jobs.
Healthcare, finance, research, engineering, and design is where it's at today.
There are a number of smaller manufacturing related shops, but they pay near poverty level wages. A few are the exception of course. One I know of is German owned. They only employ about 50, and most of them are related, and have been there for many years.
It's been and is a long road back from the ashes.
My neighbor works for that German company. He's quite the racist. Oppressed people developed a thick skin. Yes, at times to the point of being violent. They raised their kids the same way. Whitey is bad.
Continuing to incite racial superiority won't help soften it. Getting others to think just might help. All human minds can think. None are inferior, only the information fed them. Saying things like "they have their Obama phones, but don't know anything else" is just as bad as saying whitey is bad.
Oh, I've had black people get irate with me at times. One simply because I couldn't recommend the best wine. I'm not a sumaliet'. I know if a wine is dry, sweet, or fruity. Cooking wines have salt added.
So I deflected the conversation and asked how I could choose the best greens, and how to prepare a sweet potato pie. I like soul food, but not how to cook it.
I turned that guy's frown to a smile.
Take an interest in a strangers culture, you might make a friend.
I've also been held up at gun point at one of my former stores back in the 80's.
That gives me the excuse to be a hater or be racist right there. I almost quit. I needed therapy. But, my next store was where educated blacks lived. My assistants husband was a chemist.
Model T and A plant is being turned into Lofts.
My company built a new store in the 90's in Highland Park, and put a Model T in the atrium. The shopping plaza was called Model T plaza.
Unfortunately theft at that store was rampant. I'm certain most of the funds spent there were food stamps.
That was the last store opened in the inner city until Kroger built one in Rivertown near down town last decade. Now Whole Foods has also, and Aldi.
Off point, but important to me, so not sorry, but sorry if you're not interested. Can't please everyone.
Mikes fresh markets occupy a few of our former stores. The Aldi at the Gross Pointe park border gets a lot of suburban customers. The neighborhood adjacent has yet to be gentrified, but it's a start.
As younger people become higher educated, they become employed in non manufacturing jobs.
Healthcare, finance, research, engineering, and design is where it's at today.
There are a number of smaller manufacturing related shops, but they pay near poverty level wages. A few are the exception of course. One I know of is German owned. They only employ about 50, and most of them are related, and have been there for many years.
It's been and is a long road back from the ashes.
My neighbor works for that German company. He's quite the racist. Oppressed people developed a thick skin. Yes, at times to the point of being violent. They raised their kids the same way. Whitey is bad.
Continuing to incite racial superiority won't help soften it. Getting others to think just might help. All human minds can think. None are inferior, only the information fed them. Saying things like "they have their Obama phones, but don't know anything else" is just as bad as saying whitey is bad.
Oh, I've had black people get irate with me at times. One simply because I couldn't recommend the best wine. I'm not a sumaliet'. I know if a wine is dry, sweet, or fruity. Cooking wines have salt added.
So I deflected the conversation and asked how I could choose the best greens, and how to prepare a sweet potato pie. I like soul food, but not how to cook it.
I turned that guy's frown to a smile.
Take an interest in a strangers culture, you might make a friend.
I've also been held up at gun point at one of my former stores back in the 80's.
That gives me the excuse to be a hater or be racist right there. I almost quit. I needed therapy. But, my next store was where educated blacks lived. My assistants husband was a chemist.
John
thanks for sharing another great Model A video. Watching it reminded me of how much I used to enjoy the rhythm of driving a three speed manual transmission. It was something that just became second nature.
And the tightness of that 89 year old Ford was very impressive! The steering wheel didn't vibrate at all and such seemed like those brakes did there job just fine too, although I realize that our modern brakes are vastly improved, for mechanical brakes they were pretty good. Ford was one of the last auto companies to use hydraulic brakes, Henry Ford was slow to change something he felt was laready successful.
Eddie
thanks for sharing another great Model A video. Watching it reminded me of how much I used to enjoy the rhythm of driving a three speed manual transmission. It was something that just became second nature.
And the tightness of that 89 year old Ford was very impressive! The steering wheel didn't vibrate at all and such seemed like those brakes did there job just fine too, although I realize that our modern brakes are vastly improved, for mechanical brakes they were pretty good. Ford was one of the last auto companies to use hydraulic brakes, Henry Ford was slow to change something he felt was laready successful.
Eddie
My brother in law had a 1920 something Model A. Politically incorrect label on the accelerator lever said advance to speed up and retard to slow down.
lordkenmore
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You're welcome, Eddie!
And I have preferred manual transmissions, although I've never had anything less than a 4 speed. But the rhythm of shifting gears is enjoyable. And it definitely becomes second nature.
And the tightness of that 89 year old Ford was very impressive!
It is...although I'm wondering if that isn't the result of a ton of money being poured into the car. I don't know the history past what gets talked about in that video, but I have to assume that there is no way that car could have lasted all these years in that condition without needing major work (quite possibly more than once).
And I have preferred manual transmissions, although I've never had anything less than a 4 speed. But the rhythm of shifting gears is enjoyable. And it definitely becomes second nature.
And the tightness of that 89 year old Ford was very impressive!
It is...although I'm wondering if that isn't the result of a ton of money being poured into the car. I don't know the history past what gets talked about in that video, but I have to assume that there is no way that car could have lasted all these years in that condition without needing major work (quite possibly more than once).
Maytag85 I know where you are coming from BUT.........
When I was your age Sean I felt exactly the same way you do but time has shown me that new cars are not bad either. Now I do feel that we are starting to give a little more control of our cars to computers then we should (i.e self parking and self driving cars and such) but the fact is cars of today are much better made and on a whole tend to be more reliable and more economical as well as environmentally cleaner then what you refer to as “old cars” and I refer to as “vintage cars” and there will be plenty of todays cars around in 10 or 20 years. Look at a lot of the cars that are on the road now, a lot of them are 10 to 20 years old and they are still being driven everyday and todays cars are built even better then cars that were built at the turn of this century. I was born in 1976 and I grew up around cars of the 60’s 70’s, 80’s & 90’s and I can tell you that cars from these era’s are a lot more maintenance intensive both mechanically and bodily. Most American cars of the 70’s and 80’s were not put together very well and were not always very reliable. For example the rear windshields on my folks 1968 Pontiac Tempest and 1974 Chevrolet Caprice rusted out and started leaking with in the first two years my folks owned them and both were bought brand new by my folks. My dad fixed both rear windshields but said it was a major undertaking and today it would cost a fair amount of money to have a body shop do the work. The power windows on my dads 1979 Buick LaSabre were always going out and after trying to fix them himself multiple times to avoid a big repair bill he gave up and the only window that still worked was the drivers window. Oil changes, filter changes, timing belt changes, etc. all had/have to be done with more frequency then they do on the cars of today. Oh and as someone that owned a 1959 Ford Custom 300 club sedan for a while let me tell you that while vintage cars are easier to fix than modern ones, parts for them can be just as expensive and in some cases a lot more expensive then it would be to have a modern car repaired by a reputable mechanic. That also goes for body work, especially if you are driving a vintage car that is not real easy to get body parts for. Bodies on vintage cars were not made with as good of corrosion protection as modern car bodies so I hope you have a friend/relative who either works at or owns a body shop or that you are proficient in doing the body work yourself and that you have all the expensive tools it takes to do the body work so it does not look like crap. Cars today have crumple zones that sacrifice the car instead of the people in it in an accident. As proven in an above post, in older cars there is a lot more of a chance that you could be hurt in an accident and let me remind you that no matter how safe of a driver you are that does not guarantee that some other irresponsible idiot will not hit your car while you are in it. Also newer cars are on a whole are physically easier to drive and modern anti lock disc brakes bring modern cars to a stop quicker and safer than old fashioned drum breaks do. I know Norgeway has been singing the praise of vintage Chrysler Corp Full Time Power Steering and I have heard other people sing the same praise and I do not doubt it is well deserved praise at that. The reality you have to accept is while power steering in vintage cars is nice, power steering was not a common item in cars until the 1970’s. Neither were other luxuries we take for granted now like power brakes and air conditioning. Until you drive a car with manual steering and brakes with no air conditioning on a hot humid summer afternoon you will not understand how uncomfortable driving a vintage car can be at times. As for styling, now that is a matter of taste and I do have to agree with you that vintage cars have more style but what modern cars lack in style they make up for in other areas such as safety and convince. In closing like you and Norgeway, I would love to drive a vintage car as a daily driver, but like Norgeway I realize that a modern car is the more sensible and economical choice as a daily driver. PAT COFFEY
When I was your age Sean I felt exactly the same way you do but time has shown me that new cars are not bad either. Now I do feel that we are starting to give a little more control of our cars to computers then we should (i.e self parking and self driving cars and such) but the fact is cars of today are much better made and on a whole tend to be more reliable and more economical as well as environmentally cleaner then what you refer to as “old cars” and I refer to as “vintage cars” and there will be plenty of todays cars around in 10 or 20 years. Look at a lot of the cars that are on the road now, a lot of them are 10 to 20 years old and they are still being driven everyday and todays cars are built even better then cars that were built at the turn of this century. I was born in 1976 and I grew up around cars of the 60’s 70’s, 80’s & 90’s and I can tell you that cars from these era’s are a lot more maintenance intensive both mechanically and bodily. Most American cars of the 70’s and 80’s were not put together very well and were not always very reliable. For example the rear windshields on my folks 1968 Pontiac Tempest and 1974 Chevrolet Caprice rusted out and started leaking with in the first two years my folks owned them and both were bought brand new by my folks. My dad fixed both rear windshields but said it was a major undertaking and today it would cost a fair amount of money to have a body shop do the work. The power windows on my dads 1979 Buick LaSabre were always going out and after trying to fix them himself multiple times to avoid a big repair bill he gave up and the only window that still worked was the drivers window. Oil changes, filter changes, timing belt changes, etc. all had/have to be done with more frequency then they do on the cars of today. Oh and as someone that owned a 1959 Ford Custom 300 club sedan for a while let me tell you that while vintage cars are easier to fix than modern ones, parts for them can be just as expensive and in some cases a lot more expensive then it would be to have a modern car repaired by a reputable mechanic. That also goes for body work, especially if you are driving a vintage car that is not real easy to get body parts for. Bodies on vintage cars were not made with as good of corrosion protection as modern car bodies so I hope you have a friend/relative who either works at or owns a body shop or that you are proficient in doing the body work yourself and that you have all the expensive tools it takes to do the body work so it does not look like crap. Cars today have crumple zones that sacrifice the car instead of the people in it in an accident. As proven in an above post, in older cars there is a lot more of a chance that you could be hurt in an accident and let me remind you that no matter how safe of a driver you are that does not guarantee that some other irresponsible idiot will not hit your car while you are in it. Also newer cars are on a whole are physically easier to drive and modern anti lock disc brakes bring modern cars to a stop quicker and safer than old fashioned drum breaks do. I know Norgeway has been singing the praise of vintage Chrysler Corp Full Time Power Steering and I have heard other people sing the same praise and I do not doubt it is well deserved praise at that. The reality you have to accept is while power steering in vintage cars is nice, power steering was not a common item in cars until the 1970’s. Neither were other luxuries we take for granted now like power brakes and air conditioning. Until you drive a car with manual steering and brakes with no air conditioning on a hot humid summer afternoon you will not understand how uncomfortable driving a vintage car can be at times. As for styling, now that is a matter of taste and I do have to agree with you that vintage cars have more style but what modern cars lack in style they make up for in other areas such as safety and convince. In closing like you and Norgeway, I would love to drive a vintage car as a daily driver, but like Norgeway I realize that a modern car is the more sensible and economical choice as a daily driver. PAT COFFEY
Also on New Cars--Beware:
The curb/parking block manufacturers and auto manufacturers need to get together on how high to make the underside of vehicles & how much lower cement designed to tear off the bottom spoiler on the underside front of your NEW car is supposed to be...
Too often that cheap rubber gets torn off & dragged on the ground--also your radiator & cooling vessels & even components for air conditioning are under that area nearby...
-- Dave
The curb/parking block manufacturers and auto manufacturers need to get together on how high to make the underside of vehicles & how much lower cement designed to tear off the bottom spoiler on the underside front of your NEW car is supposed to be...
Too often that cheap rubber gets torn off & dragged on the ground--also your radiator & cooling vessels & even components for air conditioning are under that area nearby...
-- Dave
Spoken like a true teenager......
I guess you are going to have to learn the hard way Sean. I hope you are planning on being filthy rich so you can keep your “old” car running as a daily driver and have good health insurance so you can afford a hospital stay if you get in a bad accident .....PAT COFFEY
I guess you are going to have to learn the hard way Sean. I hope you are planning on being filthy rich so you can keep your “old” car running as a daily driver and have good health insurance so you can afford a hospital stay if you get in a bad accident .....PAT COFFEY
Pat:
It's hard to tell from where we've been sitting, but my impression is that we've been dealing either with a person on the autism spectrum or a troller that posts "outrageous" statements just to see the commotion. There might be other choices too, but those are the two most likely to be true at this point.
I guess we will find out soon enough.
Cheers,
-- Paulo.
It's hard to tell from where we've been sitting, but my impression is that we've been dealing either with a person on the autism spectrum or a troller that posts "outrageous" statements just to see the commotion. There might be other choices too, but those are the two most likely to be true at this point.
I guess we will find out soon enough.
Cheers,
-- Paulo.
You sensed that too huh?
I got the sense some while ago of the first scenario.
FASTEN BELTS--remember for only a FEW SECONDS?!
The BUZZZZZZ!!!! that the seat belt/keys in iginigiton/headlamos on that your OLD CAR sounds...
NOT the rings, dings, pings & blings (Dodge & all Ford/Lincoln/Mercury sound the worst & my aunt's Nissan pick-up which was from the beginning of ALL VEHICLES having those dumb chimes!) that your new cars do...
-- Dave
The BUZZZZZZ!!!! that the seat belt/keys in iginigiton/headlamos on that your OLD CAR sounds...
NOT the rings, dings, pings & blings (Dodge & all Ford/Lincoln/Mercury sound the worst & my aunt's Nissan pick-up which was from the beginning of ALL VEHICLES having those dumb chimes!) that your new cars do...
-- Dave
