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Our new Lincoln dings for the seatbelts.  If a front seat occupant does not buckle up it will "remind" them every few seconds until they do.  The park assist is a handy feature but the blind spot detection and alert system is annoying when backing the car under the carport.  It beeps at me to warn me of an approaching tree in my blind spot!  I just can't help but laugh when it does it.
 
The Classics all the way

As a newbie here and a fan of old appliances, I also love old cars, and have owned a few myself.

Currently, I own a 64 Cadillac, a 94 Fleetwood Brougham and a 78 Lincoln Continental. Previously I owned a 61 Lincoln ( Suicide Doors) Continental, a 72 Cadillac, and a 68 Cadillac, all were wonderful cars.

As you can tell I prefer the smooth driving classic luxury cars over anything fast and loud.

This topic is a very hard choice for me, having a lot of experience in owning classic cars, and knowing the difficulties that come along with it, I have to say, if I could drive my 64 Cadillac every day as a daily driver, I would!

The 64 was the pinnacle of Cadillacs, it was the last of the "Fin" era and the 50's design and styling cues. It was one of the last Cads that was high quality and built extremely well. The car floats over everything, the interior is massive and the 429 pulls like a hot rod in disguise. For being so old, the Cad handles and drives well, when I can afford it, I am definitely going to install disc brakes all around because the braking is the worst aspect of the car. But for looks and comfort, it's my favorite of the bunch.

What is amazing to me is how automakers were able to build such works of art, with all that chrome, and heavy duty steel, yet turn around every year and build something completely different so fast without the help of computers, really is mind-blowing at times. The average cycle of a certain model of modern cars is like 4-5 years, while in the 50's-60's, it was more like 1-2.

I own a 2017 Impala with 30,000 miles on it, which I love, it has pretty much every feature you can think of besides for all the safety nanny tech, like blind spot warning, etc..

It rides smooth for the most part, is well constructed, has great power, and hasn't let me down, but compared to my 94 Fleetwood, 64 Cad and my 78 Linc, the Impala feels like a toy. My 94 Cad and my 78 Linc are the absolute best riding cars I have ever owned, you hardly feel any bumps inside, they are very quiet to drive and they dont jolt you or shake you around like the majority of modern cars do, including my Impala. Going over the roughest pavement where I live, doesn't faze my Cad or Linc, they just glide over the rough stuff, but because the Impala is FWD has a shorter wheelbase, has no separate frame, you feel more of the road imperfections compared to my older full-framed tanks on wheels.

Someone that doesn't know any better, and has never experience driver large luxury cars from the 60's-90's, will think that their Toyo Camry or Hyundai Sonata rides like dream, they honestly don't know what they are talking about.

All in all, modern cars are more reliable, will go further without major issues, are cleaner to the environment, get way better MPG's, generally have more power than the behemoths of the past, but they will never look as cool, feel as solid, or stand out like a 50's-70's luxury Classic, nor are they as comfortable to drive for long hours like a 70's Lincoln is.

Modern cars do feel like an appliance that is built for a short lifespan, one area I notice this is how all new cars door handles are plastic, those hinges will eventually break, and come off, the leathers are cheaper feeling, just an overload of plastic trim pieces that used to be all metal in the old cars.

Nothing feels substantial anymore, and this goes for modern appliances as well.

It's the age we live in today. That's why it's more important than ever to appreciate and fix up these old cars if you have the ability to do so.

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Vintagedreams, your '64 Cadillac looks just like the one my dad's Uncle Fred bought new in the Fall of '63. I remember if was a White Sedan deVille.

When he got a new '72, we got the '64, and had it for a couple of years. I drove it a few times, and remember one time I backed it out of the garage, catching the front door chrome strip on the side of the garage. It pulled it and the one on the front fender out about 2'. When I got out, the piece on the door fell off. I took a hammer and tapped the part on the fender back in place, but couldn't reattach the door section. My dad was less than pleased that I messed it up.
 
Vintagedreams,

Your 94 Caddy is the younger sister to my 93 Fleetwood Brougham.
I like your burgandy one better than my silver one.
Mine has the I'm assuming uncommon for the time heated front seats.
I'm up to 93,000 miles now. Have an oil leak that needs addressed, and a blower motor with very bad bearings.

While I like me 2013 XTS (essentially same as your Impala) nothing compares to the floaty ride of a huge luxury RWD sedan from GM, or my prior Roadmaster wagon.

Luckily with my town and country driving I get between 19-22 mpg in the Fleetwood.
 
Okay, it's an--Eeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh!--that the buzzer makes...

(Just watched that video & seems to be one thing I gained--well, the gauges across the lower part of the instrumental panel might'a bee fun to watch before the dash gained the LTD/Marquis "full warning light package" cluster...

-- Dave
 
another old one...

just arrived here, an original '68 Caprice Sport Sedan ie 4 dr hardtop, with 78 k miles. Lack of serious emission controls and heavy mid '70s safety junk makes it an excellent and sprightly performer with just a 327 4 bbl and the superb THM-400, and the reasonable weight (3800 lbs) and size plus a pretty luxurious interior and great GM late '60s ride/handling make this one of the best overall driving vintage cars we've ever had, and one of the easiest for finding parts too. Newer cars for safe economical daily driving, a beautiful classic for a relaxing Sunday drive in NY's gorgeous Finger Lakes wine country...imo the best of both worlds!

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'68 Chevrolet

That's a very nice Caprice. I think the color is called Grecian Green - is that correct? One of my mom's friend had a '68 Impala, and it was Fathom Blue.

One of my neighbors used to have two '67 Chevrolets; one an Impala in Nantucket Blue, and the other a Bel Air in Mountain Green.

Of course I didn't remember the official names for the colors, but I matched them up on PaintRef.com.
 
Thanks, and yes it is...

Grecian Green, and it's completely original with the exception of an "outer skin" repaint in the original color over 20 yrs ago. It's always been kept indoors.
www.autocolorlibrary.com is another good resource for original color chips.

The pic is at the seller's house btw, our small rancher is considerably less grand!
 
Nice Caprice!

 

I'm not sure of exact models now, but a couple of junior high teachers had late 60s Chevrolets in the early 80s.

 

One was thinking about trading his Chevrolet in on a new Ford Thunderbird. I was a bit shocked at the time--the old car seemed more interesting to me. He did apparently do the trade when I was in high school.

 

The other teacher also had a late 1970s Ford van, and he liked to talk in class a lot about the sliding standards in America, and how quality was going down the drain. He once said he expected the Chevrolet and the van to last about the same length of time the Chevrolet was older, but the van had modern quality... At the time I had him, he mentioned he got offers from high school students for his Chevrolet, but he refused, since he and his wife needed a car.

 

Another time, this same teacher was talking about electric cars. He said that they might be viable for around town, but were seriously limited with distance/top speed. So people would need to have a four car garage--daily driver electric cars for the husband and wife. Then there would be two gas powered cars--one for general family use, and the other to be backup when the first wasn't working right due to lousy modern quality.

 
 
I couldn't agree with you more Xray, that's great to hear! My Fleetwood has 194,000 original miles on it, and it's still going strong. I also have a blower motor issue, it doesn't work! But all the power windows and door locks still work, including the power seats an trunk motor. I'm actually very surprised by the reliability of this car. The only problem I have is an oil leak as well, but it's coming from the distributor oil seal that I need to get fixed.

the Fleetwood ride probably will never be matched unless one owns a 7-series Bimmer or S-class Benz. Nothing beats a full-size RWD Cadillac or Lincoln in terms of total comfort.

CircleW, that must have been a scary dilemma. I know if I had a son, and he did such a thing to the 64, I would make sure he will take the bus to school or work until he's 30 lol.
 
the Fleetwood ride probably will never be matched unless one owns a 7-series Bimmer or S-class Benz. Nothing beats a full-size RWD Cadillac or Lincoln in terms of total comfort.


 

I'm not in the least bit familiar with the Fleetwood...but I am thinking that what I consider the "classic" American luxury car ride is probably gone, quite possibly never to return.


 

I certainly don't expect the Germans to ever be what Cadillac was. While I suppose luxury is the selling point to BMW 7 series and Mercedes S class, those cars come from Europe...and the engineering and heritage will probably reflect that. So the BMW will have nice ride...but that will be balanced with engineering that allows the car to effortlessly handle European roads (including the Autobahn). This is not, of course, a bad thing...just different way of designing a car. And different approaches have value--one local parts store employee once told me that the reason we have so many different car models is because one size does not fit all.

 

I have personally mixed feelings about the loss of classic American car luxury. It's not something I've ever really had, and I value handling. But as I get older, comfort is more appealing... I have even toyed with the idea of getting an American car with softer ride next time. Partly because prices are attractive here, partly just to experience the cars while they are still available as practical used cars. But the nature of my driving is mostly simple get me to the store and back...and anything longer is a highway drive. The scenic winding country road is not something I deal with very often, if ever. Comfort of ride--particularly for longer drives--might be nice... Interestingly, I knew a 20-something who had a 1980s VW GTI and her boyfriend had a VW Jetta. She once took a weekend trip, and she reported that she wished for most of the trip that she had her boyfriend's car, because it had a much better and quieter ride. Although the last miles were winding roads, and so the GTI was appreciated there.

 

 
 
<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">I'm glad to see there are people out there that appreciate big luxury cars like the Cadillac Fleetwood as classic and collectible. I enjoy following ebay vehicles to see if they sell and for how much. This 1990 Fleetwood coupe is one example. Cadillac chose not to make a 2-door model every year during the last years of the Fleetwood. This one is very nice. Interestingly, this car is in Pennsylvania but originally from St. Claire Cadillac in San Jose, a dealership I visited at least once a week when I was a teenager to check-out their used car lot. They had some nice stuff as did the Lincoln dealer across the street.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">With a back seat like this, you could move in...</span>

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I promise to stop after this one...

<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">For those old-timers that can remember the original "Let's Make A Deal" this is fun. Change this to today and see what the winners' reactions would be, probably "what the heck to they expect me to do with that huge thing?" Those were big cars. Cadillacs, like a loaf of bread in the grocery store, got much smaller.</span>

 
Have to agree that Caddy quality peaked around 1964...

our across the street neighbor bought new '59, '64, '66 and '68 Cads (we moved after that year), and he was a fanatic in taking care of them. I'd go over and watch him, when at least once a week he'd carefully hand wash and chamois off everything, including the engine compartment, his cars always looked brand new, Chesapeake Cad always wanted those like-new trade-ins. The assembly, trim, interior brocade cloth and leather, paint and chrome quality and finish was just jewel-like on the '64 and even the gaudily-designed '59, while with the '66, and even more so, the increasingly plastic-y '68 (and they became far worse later on!) it was very clear that the famous Cadillac fit, finish, and materials were slipping.

From what I've heard the mid-late '80s were the pits, but the safety-ized mid '70s, with their huge over-hanging bumpers, wavy self-destructing plastic body filler panels and emmission-choked anemic 500 cu in (!) engines, while comfortable, were not at all fun to drive - we had a '75 Sedan DeVille that we drove to Montana and back, and it was, overall, a nice trip car but severely lacking power in the mountains and, at 11-12 mpg, gas stops were frequent! As '50s Cads would routinely make 17-18 mpg, progress it was not!
 
Responces and Observations...

"I will only like old cars, and old cars only. I don't like today's ugly, boarding, cheaply made cars. The cars that are made currently will not be on the road in 10 or 20 years from now, they will most likely be in the junk yard. New cars are made for obsolescence, while the old cars can be fixed easily and last forever!" -Maytag85

I respectfully disagree about your comments regarding how long new cars will last, I personally believe the date will be further out, more along the lines 25-30 years. Firstly, most cars from 2005 are still on the road and share a good amount of the tech used in today's cars. They are mostly rust free, even here in Michigan. I think modern cars will continue their stellar short term reliability until after a point it suddenly drops off. Being someone who dabbles in vintage electronics I know that certain components have a set lifespan that will eventually(despite best component choice and design) degrade until they fail. For example if you look at old radios, often the tubes are fine(they cannot degrade by design, they do wear with use, though), but the capacitors can and readily do(it has to do with the chemical composition degrading over time and heat stress). Take a look at what happens to old computers, hardware wise, they work flawlessly for a long period then suddenly fail. I predict the same will happen with modern cars in about 30 years as capacitors and other such components begin to fail and that the car restorers of 50 years from now will be those that can do board level repairs as such stocks of spare boards will have been, by that point, well depleted. You are right though, that eventually there will be less of today's cars in existence in 50 years than cars from 50 years ago, now, due to the hardships that will be involved in repairs once the electronics go, but for the short term(in this case average ownership of 15 years) modern cars from the mid 1990s and newer have already proven their superior reliability in that regard to older cars.

Also to your point of repair-ability and reliability, I actually own a 1975 Cadillac Sedan DeVille and daily drive it as my first car. I am currently 17 years old and have had it 2 years, I did all my permit driving with it too. It cost me $1750.00 to purchase, but in the course of said ownership, I have had over $5000.00 in repair bills. Almost everything that has failed on it has been something that cannot be repaired by the average backyard mechanic. Transmission failure, exhaust, front end alignment, to name a few. Plus I've been nickeled and dimed to death with smaller things, for example this blasted car hates alternators with a passion and has already gone through three. I like the way it drives and I love the styling, but I also concede that some modern cars are safer. I will not say all, due to the size and mass differences. No matter the engineering, with rudimentary safety features like seat belts and collapsible steering columns, I would place my bets on a 5000 pound 1970s lux-o-barge over a small 2500 pound modern car just because of the mass. I am stuck in a century that I wasn't born in(for example, I proceed to watch a 1960s RCA CTC-17XE chassis color set while most people I know don't even have a CRT set at all).

"Pat:

It's hard to tell from where we've been sitting, but my impression is that we've been dealing either with a person on the autism spectrum or a troller that posts "outrageous" statements just to see the commotion. There might be other choices too, but those are the two most likely to be true at this point.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Cheers,
-- Paulo." -earthling177

Being autistic myself, I would tend to agree with the former, he doesn't seem a troll. I welcome his comments and presence on this forum, we all give and take in useful information here and I wish for him to know that we aren't out to simply disagree with you, we are merely sharing what we know and you thusly. I wish for you to continue to appreciate, as I do, the vast human resource of knowledgeable people at this fine forum who tirelessly share important bits of history and information that they have learned over many years of experience and the rest of the world took no caring to and/or forgot about.

If you ever wish to contact me, Sean, My email address is [email protected].
 
There are good things about newer cars, but I don't like the styling of newer cars. It seems like things in general had more style back then, and flare.
 
No, really, I don't like the styling of new cars either, but imagine if not coming with things like cruise controls, air conditioners, power windows and locks, power seats, even a tilt steering wheel and other accessories, all standard, and all due to demand for those things!

Yes, NEW for me, and able to get rid of via lease, when I'm tired of the package all that are in...

-- Dave
 

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