P&G makes some changes in Laundry

[jt1985]

From CNNMoney.com:

"On Thursday, the company said it is repositioning its Cheer detergent brand to target consumers looking for bargains and is cutting prices on that brand by 13% . P&G has already announced a test for a cheaper version of Tide called Basic. The company on Thursday said it is "adjusting" prices on large sizes of Tide. While Tide remains the company's premium laundry brand, Cheer is being positioned as a "value" offering within the laundry segment."

So that means that P&G will cut prices on the 80 ld/100 oz. & up sizes of Tide and will reposition Cheer as the value brand. With that move, what will happen to Era? And wasn't Gain the value offering?

 

[toggleswitch2]

Sounds like American laundry detergent manufacturers are hurting as needed quantites and demand continue to drop due to the invasion of front-loaders.

 

[re563]

What I don't understand is

Why P&G is dragging it's feet and trying to re-invent itself now. With all the new HE Machines hitting the market (walk into any store that sells appliances and you will see more HE machines than traditional), that all of there detergents aren't "Low Sudsing" or "HE/HE Compatable"?

 

[yogitunes]

Common Sense...

it's what the high paid executives don't have....

Why not just make the all HE/Low sudsing, for use in all machines, Sears has done it with one detergent, and one little scoop for top loaders or front loaders....

theres even a new Clorox bleach, for Cold Water, so what now, I have to buy a bleach for cold water, and one for hot water, and maybe even one for warm water, and then one in every scent, and one for my TL and another for my HE machines.....

if the company wants to cut cost, try making one formula, let's say liquid TIDE, make it low suds, and all they have to add would be the SCENTS, or make them CLEAR AND FREE, and a BLEACH ALTERNATIVE formula, how freakin simple would that be?

were going back to the 70's...remember when we had a detergent for every temperature, and CHEER was the first to offer ALL TEMPERATURE, in one box...or even BOLD was detergent and fabric softner?

and how many diferent sizes do we really need?......they shold just limit it to 50, 100, and 200 ounces..and leave it at that......

If manufacturers have to cut cost, they need to look at cutting out the stupid stuff instead of cutting the quality of the product...

Do you think your going to buy TIDE BASIC at a cheaper price and really only get less cleaning power?......price for price and cleaning effectiveness, I'll stick with SEARS for now...

3 sizes, about 4 formulas, and no advertising cost handed down thru my product price, Think they know what their doing?

 

[jeffg]

Between the front loading washers, dumbing down of detergents etc, it's all going to land us in the same place: six billion people walking around in stained underwear.

Sell your P&G stock and buy Hanes and Fruit of the Loom.

 

[roto204]

Gak

Oh, JEFF!!

 

[hunter]

Calben

Have any of you tried Calben laundry detergent?

Honest to G*d, one tablespoon is ALL you need. And it works! And..it doesn't stink. (I know 'stink' is in the nose of the beholder but I hate perfumes).

Hunter

http://calbenpuresoap.com/seafoam.htm

 

[toploader1984]

omg jeff!!! lmfao!!!! i laughed soo hard when i read that! that just made my day!

 

[toploader1984]

i totally agree with you, dumbed down detergents, front loaders, dumbing down water, dumbing down even temperature, i am so sick of the way everything has transpired over the years, is it that hard to ask that i have CLEAN laundry anymore?

 

[maytagmightyjj]

P & G Products

I rarely use P & G Laundry Detergents anymore as they are too high sudsing, even using smaller amounts than they recommend. I have a traditional top loader (2007 Maytag/Whirltag). I used to use Cheer for dark colors as it did not have optical brightners in it-- now I assume they have put them back in since they say their new formula brightens clothes. I love the Kirkland Signature "Store" brand at Costco-- Its low sudsing, cleans well, and rinses easily.

 

[toggleswitch2]

Sorry i have a hair up my ............

~ totally agree with you, dumbed-down detergents, front loaders, dumbing-down water, dumbing-down even temperature, I am so sick of the way everything has transpired over the years. Is it that hard to ask that I have CLEAN laundry anymore?

*WHOOP*WHOOP*

Bitter in aisle one..............

Sorry kiddo: Things in life change. Those who don't bend, break. So start adjusting. If you are getting so rigid now you may not make it to old-age.

Here is a news-flash for most Americans. Resources (natural and otherwise) are NOT limitless. One day we'll have to figure that out. So as long as babies are being pushed out of 'gina holes at this current rate we will all have to cut back on our use of EVERYTHING. Deal with it.

OOH Aunt Flo' must be in town! I'm a-gonna have a Midol; and sit a spell! *LOL*

 

[qsd-dan]

Toggles...

That was kind of uncalled for.

Most of us are here because we enjoy the look, feel, sound, reliability, and effectiveness of vintage washers.

As far as resources, throwing away an appliance after 5 or so years of use is not the wisest direction to go, yet here we are, going straight in that direction of wastefulness for some time now.

As far as water, it's not created nor destroyed, it never disappears as it's part of the perpetual water cycle.

Changes do need to be made as far as using soaps that have little if any impact on the environment, at the same time, effectively clean, and changes ARE being made in that direction. I get excellent results with Kirkland's eco friendly laundry soap and also get great results using Full Circles eco friendly fabric softener. I get better results soaking with oxygen bleach than I ever did with chlorine.

Lighten up a little, won't ya

 

[appnut]

here here Steve!!! YAY Toggles!!!

 

[supersuds]

Getting back to the topic

I wonder if they will change Cheer or just cut prices? The articles I've seen indicate that the brand will be "repositioned." I expect the current version has a big profit margin built in and they could stand to sell it cheaper and make up the profits on higher volume.

What REALLY annoys me is that Cheer powder is no longer blue! It's just a boring white. Wasn't the whole idea of Cheer, originally, to have a detergent with bluing already added? It should be BLUE, dammit.

 

[dirtybuck]

Something Else...

When Cheer was first introduced and throughout the years, it had on the box/bottle label that it was "heavy duty". Is it still making that claim today?

 

[dirtybuck]

If you all have been wondering as to what the Tide BASIC box looks like, may I present...

 

[toploader1984]

toggelswitch if you want to make smart remarks about people who prefer top loaders over front loaders that have to be thrown away i suggest u go somewhere else, if u want something to comment on about the environment why don't you comment about the new cfl light bulbs that contain mercury and are getting in landfills and contaminating our water. i am so SICK and tired of people patronizing me and others on here JUST b cuz we like to use WATER to wash our clothes instead of a 20 lb load washed in a cup of water i dont know what your problem is???? you dont have to be rude and make comments like " sorry i have a hair up my " maybe you do have a hair up there.

 

[toploader1984]

i dont think i am going to go on here anymore b cuz it seems like EVERYTIME i go on here and make one simple comment about how i like vintage machines and top loaders somebody has to come along and make their stupid comment about the environment, blah blah blah, WATER IS RECYCLED HELLLOOOOOO!!!!!

 

[toggleswitch2]

Bye bye. More drama queens we don't need.

~Toggelswitch if you want to make smart remarks about people who prefer top-loaders over front-loaders that have to be thrown away I suggest u go somewhere else.

First of all who died and declared you boss? Honey, you don't give orders to anyone but your own @$$.

Learn to manage your own ridiculous mouth and limited rigid thoughts, then manage well your own life. In 20 years MAYBE you can try to direct traffic on someone else's website.

I wish you all the best and send you light love peace and good energy. Try to be forgiving and kind, for one day you too will need these of someone else.

I didn't hear you apologize to everyone (who nicely told you off in this thread) for showing your bad side(or was that your good side?) with your hystrionics. Did I miss your apology?

If you are over 21, feel free to send me some hate-mail privately. I'll send you a bill for the psycho-therapy later. If you are underage I won't answer you.

If you dont like what I have to say, simply click on the litle X and be done with me. It's that simple.

 

[toploader1984]

Toggles...

That was kind of uncalled for.

Most of us are here because we enjoy the look, feel, sound, reliability, and effectiveness of vintage washers.

As far as resources, throwing away an appliance after 5 or so years of use is not the wisest direction to go, yet here we are, going straight in that direction of wastefulness for some time now.

As far as water, it's not created nor destroyed, it never disappears as it's part of the perpetual water cycle.

Changes do need to be made as far as using soaps that have little if any impact on the environment, at the same time, effectively clean, and changes ARE being made in that direction. I get excellent results with Kirkland's eco friendly laundry soap and also get great results using Full Circles eco friendly fabric softener. I get better results soaking with oxygen bleach than I ever did with chlorine.

Lighten up a little, won't ya

 

[toploader1984]

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS THERAPY obviously i am not the only one you offended!!!!!!!!!

 

[toggleswitch2]

Newton's Laws of Thermnodyanics:

For each and every actions there is an equal and opposite reaction. A poster said this already.

I'd say your "one simple" comment became more and more beligerent as evidence was presented that refuted your thoughts and claims. Why do you so desperately need to be "right" and why do you see things one way only?

Guess where nervous-breakdowns come from? IMO they are from those who cling to thoughts that are not supported by reality and surrounding circumstances. One day the thoguhts in one's
head have a head-on coillison with reality. The holder of those thoughts is forced to see that his expectations and thoughts are bogus. The ONLY way to avoid mental isseus is to adjust to reality /actuality, and to change one's preconcieved notions.

Fornt-loaders are here to stay; the rest of the world can't be entirely wrong.

I truly mean you no harm. Sad how when I got as beligerent as you are it was distateful to you.

Peace out.

 

[toploader1984]

look dude! u r such a JERK!!!!!!! you are the one that was rude first, all i said was things about detergent and water temperature and u made your rude unnecessery comments, telling me to get used to it, YOU are the one that is bringing the drama here, u need to understand that EVERYONE has an opinion, i am not going to take crap from ANYBODY, not even you! btw! I AM NOT YOUR HONEY! nobody calls me honey but my man!

 

[toggleswitch2]

*LOL*

 

[toploader1984]

you are wrong, my WHOLE family has front loaders 4 of my friends 2 of my aunts i had 2 front loaders in 5 years, and NOBODY i know that has them likes them, i am not saying that people that like front loaders shouldnt like them, i simply agreed with qsd-dan about top loaders and water temperatures. and u made your comment about us basically not caring about the environment just b cuz we like top loaders. the only reason front loaders are even on the market is because of the american government, front loaders have been around since the 40s and even back then americans didnt like them, thats just the way it is, i do not entirely hate front loaders, i do love the speed queen front loaders, however i am disappointed in the quality and reliabilty of most US front loaders.

 

[toggleswitch2]

Hey toploader, I made a mistake for which I apologize, some of my comments here, are cross-threaded from the "Everone" thread in blue.

I am lightening up!

 

[DADoES]

Dude, quit with the chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling deal on CFLs. Each bulb contains much less mercury than a typical amalgam dental filling, or a mercury-bulb HVAC thermostat, or a mercury fever thermometer which people routinely put into their mouths. Coal-fired power plants spew TONS more mercury than the total amount in all the CFL bulbs produced in a given year.

 

[angus]

And how, may I ask, does any of the ranting in the previous posts (by any of the participants) have anything to do with P&G's changes to their laundry offerings? Shall we stay on topic please?

 

[thomasortega]

Toploader 1984 AND Steve...

Excuse me but... Do you really think we need to watch this mexican soap opera?

No matter who was right and who was wrong! Both of you are wrong since you started offending each other. PLEASE STOP IT IMMEDIATELLY.

Most of the times opinions don't match. that's what makes our world interesting. What would happen with the red if everybody prefer blue?
By the way, My opinion is different from most guys here, and I respect all the other opinions. Why don't you do the same?

I love vintage washing machines. They have interesting design, they clean well and are very quick, and they last. But I also love modern machines. I love technology and I believe we can also have excellent results using a HE washer.

I remember clearly when the new standards were announced. the manufacturers almost wanted to kill themselves because they should reinvent the wheel and rediscover the fire or get out of the market. They had to make something nobody did before and it was the worst nightmare one could have. Are the HE machines perfect? No, they are not, but considering the 10 years of HE technology vs the 100 years of standard washing machine technology, the HE machines are a miracle. NEVER in history the manufacturers worked together. Can you imagine Whirlpool's, Maytag's (before the merge), GE's and Electrolux's (Frigidaire) engineers sharing the same office and industrial secrets to develop a new technology? That's what they did secretly, joining the best of their knowledge not as competitors, but as partners. It can be noted on the first HE front loaders that look like the same machine with a different design.
It made possible to launch the first generation of HE machines.

Can you remember the disaster they were if compared to the machines we have today? Calypso and Neptune TL vs Duet and Electrolux Wavetouch.

I think we all must admit the HE technology had a wonderful evolution and there are too much to be (and being) researched and developed to make the future machines even better.

About detergents.... I do collect them too so... Woooooo hoooooooooo, verions on my shelf!! I think they should launch a Tide version for red fabrics, other for black, other for green with yellow stripes, other for wool. and of course the regular and HE version of each one of them, with 20 different fragrances + scent free, 30 different sizes and also collectible boxes or bottles.

As my daily drivers, I would choose only 2 or three different brands. whites/colours, blacks and delicates.

PEACE! That's all.........

 

[nmassman44]

Wow I have not seen anything like this in a loooong time! Its amazing how the claws come out and the fur flies! Toggles is right in what he said Toploader. In another thread you headlined it with "Everybody read this!" Then you had a hissy fit when the UK guys chimed in...well to me when you say everybody it means just that..everybody. Everyone has an opinion...no matter if its right or wrong everyone is entitled to it. But when someone has a nutty when they dont agree with them then to me there is a problem. Just my opinion and thats how I see it.