veg-o-matic
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I need to make a comment about this topic. First of all I am shocked that adults are speaking in a public forum like this. Knowing darn well that young kids are reading this <br
My 13 year old son was thrilled when he found this site. As a single father who lost his wife 10 years ago, I am trying very hard to keep tabs on my son. I thought I would try to get involved in my sons fascination for appliances. So today I decided to check out this forum, be a part of it for my sons sake. He has talked so much about it. Let me tell you, I was really shocked to read what was being said here. And what was even more surprising was to see some of the ages of the people saying what they were saying. And it was not just this posting, I saw others with some sexual references being made <br
I am sure my son is not the only young person who reads this. So please explain why these things are being said <br
I am sure there must be other parents here also, and I am hoping that you can understand where I am coming from. I do everything possible to protect my son, and I was hoping that a forum like this would have been good for him. But after reading some of the things I have, I have my doubts <br
Thank you
Chris
My 13 year old son was thrilled when he found this site. As a single father who lost his wife 10 years ago, I am trying very hard to keep tabs on my son. I thought I would try to get involved in my sons fascination for appliances. So today I decided to check out this forum, be a part of it for my sons sake. He has talked so much about it. Let me tell you, I was really shocked to read what was being said here. And what was even more surprising was to see some of the ages of the people saying what they were saying. And it was not just this posting, I saw others with some sexual references being made <br
I am sure my son is not the only young person who reads this. So please explain why these things are being said <br
I am sure there must be other parents here also, and I am hoping that you can understand where I am coming from. I do everything possible to protect my son, and I was hoping that a forum like this would have been good for him. But after reading some of the things I have, I have my doubts <br
Thank you
Chris
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I was thinking more along the lines of a switch and a lump of coal! <br
Let's try to keep this PG-13 for our younger viewers please. These types of topics can be discussed on adult forums. <br
Remember....we are about vintage appliances, and although they may not post, young people are ALWAYS watching; my young people are ALWAYS watching. We may know which topics to bypass, but a youngster might stumble onto something we would consider inappropriate for juvenile eyes. Would you really want your niece or nephew to read this?
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I was thinking more along the lines of a switch and a lump of coal! <br
Let's try to keep this PG-13 for our younger viewers please. These types of topics can be discussed on adult forums. <br
Remember....we are about vintage appliances, and although they may not post, young people are ALWAYS watching; my young people are ALWAYS watching. We may know which topics to bypass, but a youngster might stumble onto something we would consider inappropriate for juvenile eyes. Would you really want your niece or nephew to read this?
Heavens to mergatroid when I have to agree with Venus
Since I Have No Idea on How To Handle This...
Hmmmmm, I've been extremely busy lately at work and at home and have not had much time to monitor what's going on the site. While I read this story on CNN and Canada.com and I couldn't have been more thrilled that once again our neighbor to the North has shown us here in the "free" USA what it really means to be free. But with that said, I don't know if its worth the price of the bandwidth to discuss this topic here at automaticwasher.org <br
I'm just curious, Gary'sDad and Venus what troubled you guys the most about this thread? Was it the fact that a news story and link like this was posted or was it the funny but unnecessarily adult conversation that followed? Would it have been OK if that link was posted and then the conversation that followed was a serious discussion of how the Supreme Court had ruled <br
Another question for the club, should this thread be deleted??? I too cringe (sometimes not always) when I read stuff like this, but many times I really don't know what is best, censorship is bad but protecting the kids who are interested in washers is also extremely important, so no matter what I decided to do, I lose <br
I'm interested to hear what others think <br
Singed, confused in Minnie.
Hmmmmm, I've been extremely busy lately at work and at home and have not had much time to monitor what's going on the site. While I read this story on CNN and Canada.com and I couldn't have been more thrilled that once again our neighbor to the North has shown us here in the "free" USA what it really means to be free. But with that said, I don't know if its worth the price of the bandwidth to discuss this topic here at automaticwasher.org <br
I'm just curious, Gary'sDad and Venus what troubled you guys the most about this thread? Was it the fact that a news story and link like this was posted or was it the funny but unnecessarily adult conversation that followed? Would it have been OK if that link was posted and then the conversation that followed was a serious discussion of how the Supreme Court had ruled <br
Another question for the club, should this thread be deleted??? I too cringe (sometimes not always) when I read stuff like this, but many times I really don't know what is best, censorship is bad but protecting the kids who are interested in washers is also extremely important, so no matter what I decided to do, I lose <br
I'm interested to hear what others think <br
Singed, confused in Minnie.
I find this thread interesting & fun, but some of the posts are clearly R rated and it's clearly way off topic.
I don't think anyone would be hurt if it was deleted. Anyone disagree <br
Inuendo is ok if it's subtle, but..... <br
Ken D.
I don't think anyone would be hurt if it was deleted. Anyone disagree <br
Inuendo is ok if it's subtle, but..... <br
Ken D.
Dear Confused in Minni <br
This one went wayyy overboard in my mind bordering on explicit, some would say it was explicit and I probably wouldn't argue with them either. I'm no prude and enjoy well crafted innuendo but this thread lacked anything of merit.
I say delete it.
This one went wayyy overboard in my mind bordering on explicit, some would say it was explicit and I probably wouldn't argue with them either. I'm no prude and enjoy well crafted innuendo but this thread lacked anything of merit.
I say delete it.
Unimatic1140 and retromom, thank you for your concern. I am not so sure the topic of the link was very appropriate for a vintage laundry forum. Although I also dont beleive in censorship. The topic should have been discussed more of an adult manor. The innuendoes that were flying around were very inappropriate <br
As retromom said, would someone like their nieces, nephews or children read what was being said? We're supposed to be role models for the youth of today <br
Thanks
Chris
As retromom said, would someone like their nieces, nephews or children read what was being said? We're supposed to be role models for the youth of today <br
Thanks
Chris
Hit Refresh/Reload Everyone. I'll leave the message up, but I removed all the posts in between the first and Garysdad in case we want to continue this discussion. I also removed the link.
If I close my eyes, will it go away?
Ditto kenwashesmonday, petek, and garysdad! I laught at innuendo and office humour as much as anyone else, but this got a little too smutty for this particular forum.
Robert, I think it would have been far more interesting if there had been a discussion on the implications of the ruling rather than on what everyone in Canada could now start doing. It wouldn't hurt my feelings in the slightest if we could "transport" this thread to another dimension!
Ditto kenwashesmonday, petek, and garysdad! I laught at innuendo and office humour as much as anyone else, but this got a little too smutty for this particular forum.
Robert, I think it would have been far more interesting if there had been a discussion on the implications of the ruling rather than on what everyone in Canada could now start doing. It wouldn't hurt my feelings in the slightest if we could "transport" this thread to another dimension!
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Well, wouldn't you know it.........
Well wouldn't you know it. I missed the WHOLE thing. Man, don't check the site for ONE day, and this! Mark
Well wouldn't you know it. I missed the WHOLE thing. Man, don't check the site for ONE day, and this! Mark
Well it's only been a day and already the pastor of a local evangelical church here in town has denounced the ruling as another step in the detriment to our society. Sorry but I don't agree with him, what consenting adults do behind closed and locked doors is no ones business but their own. I say "locked" because part of the case was that these "clubs" were in fact physically locked to prevent anyone from inadvertantly walking in from the street and getting an eyeful.
frontaloadotmy
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my 2 cents
I think you have pretty well handled it, Robert. At the risk of bruising any egos, I would like to say that I thought the thread got "out of control" not necessarily to an extreme,
but at least to an excess. I would like to think that Garysdad
would be able to have a meaningful and educational converstation with his 13 year old son about what he may have read in this thread.
I think you have pretty well handled it, Robert. At the risk of bruising any egos, I would like to say that I thought the thread got "out of control" not necessarily to an extreme,
but at least to an excess. I would like to think that Garysdad
would be able to have a meaningful and educational converstation with his 13 year old son about what he may have read in this thread.
A Possible Thought
Dear Robert...
From what I can gather, you've created this whole site yourself, using your own time, programming skills and talent and not those of some sort of packaged website programs. So this may be more time and effort than it's worth. But what about an over 18 year old forum? Some sort of code tied into ones sign-on, or something like Yahoo has for their adult type forums, an acknowledgement of being over 18. It wouldn't be foolproof or underage proof, but it would be away from the regular discussion areas.
Many other forums have a sort of "lounge" type area where very much off topic discussions take place. I also think many of the people here have been here for a number of years, they feel very comfortable with each other. And with that comfort level, sometimes people just forget others are watching.
Dear Robert...
From what I can gather, you've created this whole site yourself, using your own time, programming skills and talent and not those of some sort of packaged website programs. So this may be more time and effort than it's worth. But what about an over 18 year old forum? Some sort of code tied into ones sign-on, or something like Yahoo has for their adult type forums, an acknowledgement of being over 18. It wouldn't be foolproof or underage proof, but it would be away from the regular discussion areas.
Many other forums have a sort of "lounge" type area where very much off topic discussions take place. I also think many of the people here have been here for a number of years, they feel very comfortable with each other. And with that comfort level, sometimes people just forget others are watching.
Michael (Ironrite), the Super Forum is already the "Lounge Area", it is meant for off topic (other than washers, dryers and dishwashers) discussions.
I'm not a prude (you can't be in my country LOL), but I think it's a bad idea to have an over 18 forum. There is a lot of hassle with over 18 forums and I don't think we should have Robert do more work than he already does. If somebody else wants to start an over 18 group for our members then simply go to Yahoo and start a group there. But please no link to it on this website, all kinds of laws and rules make that very difficult lately. And we don't want our webmaster to carry that responsability. If somebody starts a group like that he (doubt if there is a she that wants to participate) can post a message on this forum that he started one and that you can mail him for the link to that group (again, no links on this forum). That's as far as we can go I think.
Thank you Robert for handling this well.
I'm not a prude (you can't be in my country LOL), but I think it's a bad idea to have an over 18 forum. There is a lot of hassle with over 18 forums and I don't think we should have Robert do more work than he already does. If somebody else wants to start an over 18 group for our members then simply go to Yahoo and start a group there. But please no link to it on this website, all kinds of laws and rules make that very difficult lately. And we don't want our webmaster to carry that responsability. If somebody starts a group like that he (doubt if there is a she that wants to participate) can post a message on this forum that he started one and that you can mail him for the link to that group (again, no links on this forum). That's as far as we can go I think.
Thank you Robert for handling this well.
angus
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I think Robert handled this very appropriately and he certainly does more than enough work on this website. Why should we ask him to take on more?
I am against censorship as much as the next person, but there simply have to be limits.... and is it so wrong to behave with concern for others? I think we can manage that...
I am against censorship as much as the next person, but there simply have to be limits.... and is it so wrong to behave with concern for others? I think we can manage that...
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I agree, no need for another venue for off-topic messages. All, don't take what I'm about to say as "moralizing", however, I believe a renewed emphasis of RESPECT for the Automaticwasher.Org website & viewing community is in order. Censor your own message(s) for decency before posting.
Leslie
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My 2 cent s - revoke my membership if necessary
I could see this thread was headed in a bad direction and I opted out. So, I didn't see everything that was posted. I pick and choose the threads I'll participate in and if the thread is of a political nature, I'll bypass it completely or I'll post something completely unrelated to pull it in another direction.
I spent that last I-don't-know-how-many years participating in another hobby chat site that at one time was the best place on the Internet. Everyone shared their hobby, everyone got along, it was a wonderful community. And then one day one woman started posting her political views and would not stop. Eventually other people with opposing views got irritated and started shooting back. It got ugly. The community broke into factions. Previous friends became enemies and chat became almost all political. There was no longer any discussion about the reason why people came to the place in the first place, to discuss their shared hobby and other shared interest. People who had been there for years and years started to leave, including myself. Two weeks ago, the webmaster asked people to vote whether the site should stay up or be killed. I voted to kill it, because it disgraced the memory of the beautiful place that it once was. Last week, after about a 7 year run, the site was executed. Gone.
Some people think that can't happen here. It's happened in a bunch of places where it could never happen. Just my two cents, but make this site a no politics zone to avoid one potential problem area. I joined this site to get away from that.
Secondly, this is the funniest place that I know of on the Internet. I find the whole concept of this site hilarious in and of itself and seeing a new member calling himself Pulsematic, for example, to me, is inherently funny. It just doesn't get old. And many of the people here are absolutely hilarious. They write well and they are imminently skilled in turning a phrase just the right way to make you laugh. I have never seen so many skilled humorists in once place and that is one of the reasons why I love this site. I have literally had tears streaming down my face from laughing so hard here. Having said that, it is possible to write in such a way that you get your point across so that adults know what you are getting at while it is PG or less. Someone mentioned clever innuendo above. I find humor to be better and funnier when it is executed in such a way where an adult can pick up on the double entendres or the turn of the phrase while it seems perfectly harmless on the surface to the casual (read younger) reader. I'm saying that if we police ourselves, we can retain our wonderful sense of humor and never cross that line into vulgar or explicit. They are not mutually excusive and in fact, challenges you to hone your skills. It's easy to be vulgar and explicit and it's not as funny, in my humble opinion. Someone could point out that I may have gotten dangerously close to crossing the line a couple of times and I'd accept that, but I have consistently made every attempt to never cross the line and if we all measured what we posted carefully, there wouldn't be a need to be monitored.
And finally, here's where I think I run the risk of getting into trouble here. It obvious that the majority of members here lean in a certain direction. I was born artsy and have lived an entirely artsy existence, so I am perfectly comfortable here and I have never been offended. Everyone should feel free to be themselves and be comfortable doing that. However, when the discourse in this direction is so overwhelming and overt and manages to find its way into so many threads, you run the risk of alienating other appliance lovers who do not have the same leanings. If you don't care, you don't care, and that's fine. But I tried to make this point in a subtle and humorous way in the past, because I think the best humor has a grain of truth about it. Everyone wants to feel comfortable and free and accepted for being who they are and INCLUDED. From an outside point of view, because of the overtness mentioned above, this place can give the impression that it is exclusionary and not inclusionary. Which I think is somewhat ironic, because wanting to be accepted and included is the fight, is it not?
So, that's my 2 cents on the subject. Bottom line is self-policing and measured restraint while retaining all the qualities of what makes this place the greatest place on the Internet is the way to go.
I could see this thread was headed in a bad direction and I opted out. So, I didn't see everything that was posted. I pick and choose the threads I'll participate in and if the thread is of a political nature, I'll bypass it completely or I'll post something completely unrelated to pull it in another direction.
I spent that last I-don't-know-how-many years participating in another hobby chat site that at one time was the best place on the Internet. Everyone shared their hobby, everyone got along, it was a wonderful community. And then one day one woman started posting her political views and would not stop. Eventually other people with opposing views got irritated and started shooting back. It got ugly. The community broke into factions. Previous friends became enemies and chat became almost all political. There was no longer any discussion about the reason why people came to the place in the first place, to discuss their shared hobby and other shared interest. People who had been there for years and years started to leave, including myself. Two weeks ago, the webmaster asked people to vote whether the site should stay up or be killed. I voted to kill it, because it disgraced the memory of the beautiful place that it once was. Last week, after about a 7 year run, the site was executed. Gone.
Some people think that can't happen here. It's happened in a bunch of places where it could never happen. Just my two cents, but make this site a no politics zone to avoid one potential problem area. I joined this site to get away from that.
Secondly, this is the funniest place that I know of on the Internet. I find the whole concept of this site hilarious in and of itself and seeing a new member calling himself Pulsematic, for example, to me, is inherently funny. It just doesn't get old. And many of the people here are absolutely hilarious. They write well and they are imminently skilled in turning a phrase just the right way to make you laugh. I have never seen so many skilled humorists in once place and that is one of the reasons why I love this site. I have literally had tears streaming down my face from laughing so hard here. Having said that, it is possible to write in such a way that you get your point across so that adults know what you are getting at while it is PG or less. Someone mentioned clever innuendo above. I find humor to be better and funnier when it is executed in such a way where an adult can pick up on the double entendres or the turn of the phrase while it seems perfectly harmless on the surface to the casual (read younger) reader. I'm saying that if we police ourselves, we can retain our wonderful sense of humor and never cross that line into vulgar or explicit. They are not mutually excusive and in fact, challenges you to hone your skills. It's easy to be vulgar and explicit and it's not as funny, in my humble opinion. Someone could point out that I may have gotten dangerously close to crossing the line a couple of times and I'd accept that, but I have consistently made every attempt to never cross the line and if we all measured what we posted carefully, there wouldn't be a need to be monitored.
And finally, here's where I think I run the risk of getting into trouble here. It obvious that the majority of members here lean in a certain direction. I was born artsy and have lived an entirely artsy existence, so I am perfectly comfortable here and I have never been offended. Everyone should feel free to be themselves and be comfortable doing that. However, when the discourse in this direction is so overwhelming and overt and manages to find its way into so many threads, you run the risk of alienating other appliance lovers who do not have the same leanings. If you don't care, you don't care, and that's fine. But I tried to make this point in a subtle and humorous way in the past, because I think the best humor has a grain of truth about it. Everyone wants to feel comfortable and free and accepted for being who they are and INCLUDED. From an outside point of view, because of the overtness mentioned above, this place can give the impression that it is exclusionary and not inclusionary. Which I think is somewhat ironic, because wanting to be accepted and included is the fight, is it not?
So, that's my 2 cents on the subject. Bottom line is self-policing and measured restraint while retaining all the qualities of what makes this place the greatest place on the Internet is the way to go.
air-waycharlie
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Bravo, Bravo and Bravo. Well stated and thank you.
Hope all have a great Christmas Eve day!
Bravo, Bravo and Bravo. Well stated and thank you.
Hope all have a great Christmas Eve day!
