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Has anyone tried the Persil liqui tabs and how they rate for getting clothes clean and ease of rinsing?

Also Daz, Bold and Fairy liquids have taken the optical brighteners out of their formulations. Anyone else notice that?
 
Have Some Liquid "Pouch" Detergent From France (Supe

While it cleans very well our niggle is often a single pouch/dose is too much for a given wash load. This can lead to using more than required which causes all sorts of problems from poor rinsing to excess froth.
 
Persil

I tried some today and whilst it cleans well the standard number of rinses is not enough to remove the soap especially on towels. I won't use them again as i think Persil deliberately put too much in one pouch of detergent. Why don't you like liquids Kenmoreguy?
 
Or, Simply Follow One's Lead

Got out one's digital kitchen scale used when baking and weighed one packet. When doing the wash one takes that number, divides by three and that is the amount poured into an Ariel Excell dosing cap. Said thing is then chucked into the wash.

Yes, quite allot of effort but since one has a stash of the stuff what else is there to do? Once completed won't bother again.
 
cutting back?

Launderess Id hardly suggest cutting back as the way to get clean rinses when for all you know dirt is being left behind.

Case study -

Recently washed a load of soiled kitchen linen, Full dose of Fairy Non Bio powder as suggested.

End of the final rinse still suds and cloudy water yet when the washing was removed from the machine there was still curry stains left on a teatowel.

Mileage varies and if one wants to go down the route of complaining about rinsing then one needs to find a detergent themselves which they are happy with in terms of cleaning vs rinsing.

I have found my chosen detergent for cleaning AND rinsing performance. Its Ariel Bio powder. That suits MY water hardness at the dose reccomended for the soil I present. It does both excellently.

Liberatordeluxe needs to find his and unfortunately we can only go as far as telling him BRAND X suds and rinses to __X___ level in MY CONDITIONS in MY part of the country.

His Mileage will vary and its up to him to find his own choice unfortunatley.

We can only offer our OPINIONS on the subject and offer suggestions but without trial by that person, in their machine, with their fabrics soiled to their levels, with their water and with their dosages they wont know an answer from anyone external.
 
You have vinegar today Aquarius? Some of your posts are bloody patronising and rude!!! I think you need to word your posts better cos you come across as arrogant!

Thanks Launderess helpful as usual :-)
 
if we want to get touchy

then Id suggest your repetitive threads of one track comes across as being somewhat trollish.

If thats not the case then great - I see nothing wrong with my posting above aside from the capital letter usage which I was using to highlight my point.
If I say something you dont like then thats out of my hands. I have only stated facts.

As for Ariel Bio powder and fading OBA's then I can only point you towards the Colour version too but seeing as im not bothered about the very little colour fading the bleachy version and I tend not to be so anal about such things im happy with it.

Like I say thats my choice your mileage varies and what you think suitable is entirely upto you.

Rob - no vinegar just sugar and spice.
 
Liberatordeluxe...

It hardly seems fair to jump down Robs throat when all he was doing was answering the question that you asked. It was also a completely valid response and he made a good point.

Personally, I wouldn't touch bio and non bio liquids if you paid me. The whole point of bio is the combination of stain removing enzymes and bleaching agents to keep whites white and other items like towels, bedding and cloths hygienicly clean. I use Persil Bio powder for such things and it's never let me down. I also use either Persil Colour powder or small and mighty colour liquid for dark and coloured clothes.

Incidentally, not to crap all over your point or anything, but optical brighteners don't really make that much difference - it's the bleach in bio and non bio powders that cause fading on colours. Ariel Excel colour gel is full of optical brighteners. But since bleaching agents aren't present in liquids or gels, you've nothing to worry about.
 
Regular detergents fading colours

I gave up on colour and liquid detergents about 3 years ago and have never looked back.

My coloured clothes have not faded anymore than they did when using even the most delicate of dedicated "colour" detergents.

Apparently oxygen bleach does not fade colours, it simply removes any loose colour, this loose colour would come out of the fabrics no matter what detergent, programme or wash temperature is used, so perhaps it is fair to say that although normal detergent will cause coloureds to fade slightly quicker, they will not fade any more than with a colour detergent. Optical brighteners do not really have all that much effect on dark colours anyway.

Colour and liquid detergents did not exist until the mid 80s-early 90s, and it wasn't really a problem before, regular detergents were marketed as being ok for woollens and the like until this time as well. I must admit I regularly wash pure wool in persil, just be mindful of the dose and it's fine! It's all down to marketing really!

Regular powder detergents do leave washing much cleaner and fresher smelling than colour care, so my coloured clothes look and feel much fresher now than they ever did before.

So I would say be brave and ditch all the specialist detergents for just one regular powder, my preference is Persil bio but Ariel bio works equally as well.

I have no rinsing problems with a full or even heavy soil dose even in soft as butter north east water.

Just make sure the machine is correctly loaded (neither over nor under) and press extra rinse if this option is available and necessary, then walk away and don't worry about it, unless your clothes feel soapy or cause rashes it's fine.

Matt
 
@ Aquacycle why do these companies make 'Colour' liquids then? One company tells you one thing and another one tells you another. Hard to know what to believe. I think you will find the 'Colour' excel gel has no brighteners in there now as Ariel have removed them. Next time your in a shop check for yourself.
 
Thanks Matt. You seem to know what your talking about. I was just a bit dubious about brighteners because apparently they are not good if you have eczema or sensitive skin as they don't get rinsed off.
 
The reason they make so many products is to get money in the till ASAP via market share of certain genres.

Encourage consumers to buy 2 packets this week instead of 1.
Dont encourage them to use less so they come back for more sooner.

Choice = money.

Powders were the thing years ago and are one of the most expensive to produce. Hence the introduction of liquids which were cheaper to produce and now even cheaper to transport due to the concentrations

In an attempt to get us to drop powder in favour of liquid manufacturers have come up with allsorts of gimmicks to encourage us and for joe public its almost working.

Anyone who knows the chemical reactions and purposes of detergents wont buy into MARKETING Gimmicks and usually sticks with a powder which is the best form of detergent for most purposes.
 
I suppose it's mostly down to clever marketing. If a company can persued the consumer to buy 2 detergents and not 1, they're making double the amount from essentially 1 sale. Matt has made a good point above and one that I will be sure to test. However, in my experience, I have noticed a difference when using colour detergent. I was brought up on just 1 bio powder and it wasn't until I moved out of my Mums in 2008 that I got to play around with different detergents. I have noticed since then that my coloured clothes like jeans don't fade half as much or as quick. Inevitably, there is some fading, but it's minimal. I guess the only way to find ways of washing that work best for you is through trial and error. Just buy something and see what happens
 
Most of whats already been said so far today has been mentioned in other LiberatorDeluxe threads,

Matt seems to know what hes talking about?
How would you know considering your asking questions here as if your uneducated?

Are we really learning anything or,

Is it just a case of a boring day at work requiring some tea and sympathy?
 
No need to apologise at all L-D-L, simply take away a bit of what we are saying and what we have been advising you to do in the past and experiment with your own conditions to find what suits you best.

One can ask to be educated and pooh pooh all that is offered then come back and complain that ones own directives didnt work which will only result in backs being rubbed up the wrong way.

If everything fails then I doubt there is much anyone can do.

Truce agreed indeed.

Rob
 
Quite crafty of P&G to remove OBA's from some products in light of the launch of Ariel wash booster. Obviously OBA's have no cleaning ability but if the illusion of whiteness is lost people are going to be swayed into using products to "boost" their detergent.

I must admit, I have used liquids and gels a lot in the past for coloured items but since I got a big box of Persil on special I have only been using that ( except for woolies). I have to agree with Matt, I don't really notice much difference in my colours in regards to fading.

I seem to remember a post ages ago about CHEER in the US, it contained oxygen bleach even though it was marketed for colours. I think it was Laundress who said it was because the oxygen bleach cancelled or lessened the effect of highly chlorinated water. Laundress, please correct me if I am wrong.

PaulC
 
It comes down to that age old chestnut of ....

You pays your money and takes your choice !!!

My choice is a good bio powder for my whites and lights and a good liquid for colours that has no bleach in, given up using colour powder it seems to clog in the drawer and it left white marks on blacks so Persil colour liquid from now on as I got a bargain at the local JTF 5 ltrs of persil £9.99 + vat of course. I tend to use bio Persil or Ariel and even get Almat its good though frothy but for the same £9.99 I got a huge box of Dispel bio made by Mcbride if it works then fine if not it will do for the dogs bedding. :o)

Austin
 
Ariel

Ariel Bio works for me. No problems with it, gets out all dirt on whites 95/60deg and even light colours at 60/40deg. It also has a nice clean fragrance, and doesn't get too sudsy. I also use Persil Colour powder or S&M depending on price at the time of purchase. Also, I buy Fairy Powder when its on offer as it is gentle and kind to skin.
 
liberatordeluxe Why I don't like liquids....

Hi, tried all sorts of liquids and gel sold in Italy ,  many american liquids,   and some british liquids and   gels ( persil, ariel, fairy).... but all liquids  tried in my life never met in full what I want from a detergent.

They all needed an additive, (both oxy and enzyme)  some less some more, to do the job as I'd expect, and my personal policy is that a good detergent should do the job alone., a thing I never had using a liquid even less liquid tabs.

So not a fan of liquid detergents here.

All I liked a little bit  was the Arm & Hammer...but even that one didn't meet my needs in full.

I never found a liquid able to wash the way I like, I mean, they don't wash well like powders IMO.

I still buy liquid detergents, but for heavy soiled I only use powders, I end up using liquids just for lightly or medium soiled.

 

So that is why I didn't want to say my opinion  about the Dixan liquid tabs, I would have ended up saying it does not wash well for me even if maybe for the most of people would, is all about personal "royalities" and expectations I guess..,.. I never got a perfect  wash using a liquid, that's what I want to say...

 

About rinsing, never had big problems with any liquid, never  using my filter flo, and not any big suds probelm worth to be called so also using the Hotpoint front loader and Sangiorgio (panda 2 x that was prior the Hotpoint)   that we have at seaside house,  all I got just once were  2 suds locks using the ariel Gel, and also some marseille liquids (famous sudsers), but suds usually gone within the second rinse....

All the liquid tabs I used  (Including Sole and Ava) didn't make much suds at all.

All i can say about the  British Persil is that The small and mighty I used made the right amount of suds, not too much not less.

Also, the Unilever powders and tabs I used including the spanish "Skip"and  btitish "Surf" did much less suds than many others common powders both from P&G, Henkel, Reckit Benckiser sold over here in Italy....

In Italy we do not have anything for the laundry produced from Unilever anymore, a part the Snuggle softener (Coccolino here).
 
Detergents for colours

Have been marketed here in Oz and have limited success. Certainly P&G and Levers don't sell a colour powder. Aldi do as do Cussons (Radiant), but that is about it.
 
Have Said It Again

Latest incarnation of Tide "HE" liquids (Free & Gentle and the very hard to find Coldwater), are some the best detergents one has used in ages. Both but in particular the Coldwater give Persil or any other product a run for their money.

Yes, liquid detergents do not contain bleaches, we've covered that and it is not a huge problem. One simply adds sodium percarbonate (the cold water oxygen bleach) and that is that.

As for liquid detergents not always containing enzymes, that is true but usually one finds mainly the MOL or BOL versions. Most P&G liquid detergents contain a more complex cocktail of enzymes than even the powdered versions.
 
Personally I use colour protect detergents - and never have problems with black/darker laundry fading, jeans looking "washed out", all effects of bleaching agents found in conventional powders.  When you think that a washing load can potentially contain £200 worth of clothes, the way I see it if anything else is that it is good insurance.  A lot of my washing is done at 30/40 degrees with colour detergent, and everything looks as new as the day I bought them - not to mention are clean and fresh (it was mentioned somewhere, I forget where, that colour detergents don't leave laundry fresh, however musty smelling laundry is often a fault of how the washing is dried rather than the actual detergent used).  I spend no more on detergent than if I just used one alone - per wash it will still be as cheap to use colour and bio versions of one powder for respective loads as it would to be just using one detergent - you are just replacing two boxes/bottles less frequently than if you just had the one.

 

Of course this all comes with washing a lot of dark laundry, I very rarely have a load in between darks and whites.  I have some darker laundry that I will wash with normal washing detergent if there is nothing in the load of importance (e.g. if its just a load of joggers, rough tees, hoodies, maybe a towel or two and some underwear) and on these garments that are washed semi-regularly in standard detergent you can see the difference between my nicer clothes washed in colour protect detergents as clear as the difference between night and day.

 

At the end of the day that is how I do laundry, but colour care detergents do have their rightful, viable purpose and use in the marketplace and are certainly not just a fad.  When you can get a big box of decent colour protecting detergent for as little as £3 (I'm thinking Almat...), or when Persil colour liquid is often on offer at 54 washes for around a fiver, to me for the way I wash and my needs it seems impossible to justify not using it.

 

Jon
 
@Aquarius

Let me assure you our washes are just as clean and sanitary even with "cutting back", thank you very much.

Yes, one can reduce the amount of product used because those packs were designed to hold a dosage for washing beind done in France, not New York. Cannot speak for all parts of that country but our water is already quite soft.

Two, even MieleUSA advises customers here not to use full dosage of detergents as given on packet directions.

Three, our washers drain into a sink so one is quite able to see if the last rinse water drains clear, dirty, foul or whatever. Please rest assured can hand have washed laundry again if the water had any trace of soils, just as one would continues to rinse until all traces of detergent are gone.

Four, it is well known secret laundry detergent makers often suggest dosages of product in surplus to requirements. That is one of the reasons behind this pods, packs, liquit-tabs, or whatever you want to call them. It is also the reason why tablets an other pre-measured laundry products often fail. Many consumers do not like a "one size fits all" approach.
 
so seeing as you recognise the fact washing conditions are different

quote'

"Yes, one can reduce the amount of product used because those packs were designed to hold a dosage for washing beind done in France, not New York. Cannot speak for all parts of that country but our water is already quite soft."

Why originally state....

"Or, Simply Follow One's Lead
Got out one's digital kitchen scale used when baking and weighed one packet. When doing the wash one takes that number, divides by three and that is the amount poured into an Ariel Excell dosing cap. Said thing is then chucked into the wash."

My original point about CUTTING BACK not neccessarily being a good idea still stands. Id rather have clean washing FIRST time round and worry about extra rinsing than have to wash twice or 3 times just to get a stain out using a third of the detergent. In my case the manufacturer didnt reccomend enough for what I asked of the powder.

If you fancy doubting my finds with various powders like I mentioned above with the Fairy and Curry challenge feel free to come visit and see for yourself.

Perhaps before making blanket statements that are invalid to UK water, UK machines and UK detergents you could include a line or two mentioning that any advice you give may or may not be true for that person???
 
Detergents

For me it has to be Almat Colour powder or liquid for darks & Almat Bio powder for whites. Great cleaning results !!!

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Powder for Whites - Gel for Colours

I definately use "colour protect" detergents, I noticed a difference when I was using ordinary powder detergent with oxygen bleach in that my colours, particularly dark blues and blacks, were gradually getting a white hue. I recently bought some new clothes, and i soon noticed the difference when i started using Fairy Gel when I washed them a few times,

I use Fairy Powder on Whites and Fairy Gel on Darks - Comfort Pure or Fairy for Conditioner.
 

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