Persil Liqui Tabs

[paulc]

Quite crafty of P&G to remove OBA's from some products in light of the launch of Ariel wash booster. Obviously OBA's have no cleaning ability but if the illusion of whiteness is lost people are going to be swayed into using products to "boost" their detergent.

I must admit, I have used liquids and gels a lot in the past for coloured items but since I got a big box of Persil on special I have only been using that ( except for woolies). I have to agree with Matt, I don't really notice much difference in my colours in regards to fading.

I seem to remember a post ages ago about CHEER in the US, it contained oxygen bleach even though it was marketed for colours. I think it was Laundress who said it was because the oxygen bleach cancelled or lessened the effect of highly chlorinated water. Laundress, please correct me if I am wrong.

PaulC

 

[ozzie908]

It comes down to that age old chestnut of ....

You pays your money and takes your choice !!!

My choice is a good bio powder for my whites and lights and a good liquid for colours that has no bleach in, given up using colour powder it seems to clog in the drawer and it left white marks on blacks so Persil colour liquid from now on as I got a bargain at the local JTF 5 ltrs of persil £9.99 + vat of course. I tend to use bio Persil or Ariel and even get Almat its good though frothy but for the same £9.99 I got a huge box of Dispel bio made by Mcbride if it works then fine if not it will do for the dogs bedding. )

Austin

 

[hotpointfan]

Ariel

Ariel Bio works for me. No problems with it, gets out all dirt on whites 95/60deg and even light colours at 60/40deg. It also has a nice clean fragrance, and doesn't get too sudsy. I also use Persil Colour powder or S&M depending on price at the time of purchase. Also, I buy Fairy Powder when its on offer as it is gentle and kind to skin.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

liberatordeluxe Why I don't like liquids....

Hi, tried all sorts of liquids and gel sold in Italy ,  many american liquids,   and some british liquids and   gels ( persil, ariel, fairy).... but all liquids  tried in my life never met in full what I want from a detergent.

They all needed an additive, (both oxy and enzyme)  some less some more, to do the job as I'd expect, and my personal policy is that a good detergent should do the job alone., a thing I never had using a liquid even less liquid tabs.

So not a fan of liquid detergents here.

All I liked a little bit  was the Arm & Hammer...but even that one didn't meet my needs in full.

I never found a liquid able to wash the way I like, I mean, they don't wash well like powders IMO.

I still buy liquid detergents, but for heavy soiled I only use powders, I end up using liquids just for lightly or medium soiled.

 

So that is why I didn't want to say my opinion  about the Dixan liquid tabs, I would have ended up saying it does not wash well for me even if maybe for the most of people would, is all about personal "royalities" and expectations I guess..,.. I never got a perfect  wash using a liquid, that's what I want to say...

 

About rinsing, never had big problems with any liquid, never  using my filter flo, and not any big suds probelm worth to be called so also using the Hotpoint front loader and Sangiorgio (panda 2 x that was prior the Hotpoint)   that we have at seaside house,  all I got just once were  2 suds locks using the ariel Gel, and also some marseille liquids (famous sudsers), but suds usually gone within the second rinse....

All the liquid tabs I used  (Including Sole and Ava) didn't make much suds at all.

All i can say about the  British Persil is that The small and mighty I used made the right amount of suds, not too much not less.

Also, the Unilever powders and tabs I used including the spanish "Skip"and  btitish "Surf" did much less suds than many others common powders both from P&G, Henkel, Reckit Benckiser sold over here in Italy....

In Italy we do not have anything for the laundry produced from Unilever anymore, a part the Snuggle softener (Coccolino here).

 

[ronhic]

Detergents for colours

Have been marketed here in Oz and have limited success. Certainly P&G and Levers don't sell a colour powder. Aldi do as do Cussons (Radiant), but that is about it.

 

[launderess]

Have Said It Again

Latest incarnation of Tide "HE" liquids (Free & Gentle and the very hard to find Coldwater), are some the best detergents one has used in ages. Both but in particular the Coldwater give Persil or any other product a run for their money.

Yes, liquid detergents do not contain bleaches, we've covered that and it is not a huge problem. One simply adds sodium percarbonate (the cold water oxygen bleach) and that is that.

As for liquid detergents not always containing enzymes, that is true but usually one finds mainly the MOL or BOL versions. Most P&G liquid detergents contain a more complex cocktail of enzymes than even the powdered versions.

 

[lavamat_jon]

Personally I use colour protect detergents - and never have problems with black/darker laundry fading, jeans looking "washed out", all effects of bleaching agents found in conventional powders.  When you think that a washing load can potentially contain £200 worth of clothes, the way I see it if anything else is that it is good insurance.  A lot of my washing is done at 30/40 degrees with colour detergent, and everything looks as new as the day I bought them - not to mention are clean and fresh (it was mentioned somewhere, I forget where, that colour detergents don't leave laundry fresh, however musty smelling laundry is often a fault of how the washing is dried rather than the actual detergent used).  I spend no more on detergent than if I just used one alone - per wash it will still be as cheap to use colour and bio versions of one powder for respective loads as it would to be just using one detergent - you are just replacing two boxes/bottles less frequently than if you just had the one.

 

Of course this all comes with washing a lot of dark laundry, I very rarely have a load in between darks and whites.  I have some darker laundry that I will wash with normal washing detergent if there is nothing in the load of importance (e.g. if its just a load of joggers, rough tees, hoodies, maybe a towel or two and some underwear) and on these garments that are washed semi-regularly in standard detergent you can see the difference between my nicer clothes washed in colour protect detergents as clear as the difference between night and day.

 

At the end of the day that is how I do laundry, but colour care detergents do have their rightful, viable purpose and use in the marketplace and are certainly not just a fad.  When you can get a big box of decent colour protecting detergent for as little as £3 (I'm thinking Almat...), or when Persil colour liquid is often on offer at 54 washes for around a fiver, to me for the way I wash and my needs it seems impossible to justify not using it.

 

Jon

 

[launderess]

@Aquarius

Let me assure you our washes are just as clean and sanitary even with "cutting back", thank you very much.

Yes, one can reduce the amount of product used because those packs were designed to hold a dosage for washing beind done in France, not New York. Cannot speak for all parts of that country but our water is already quite soft.

Two, even MieleUSA advises customers here not to use full dosage of detergents as given on packet directions.

Three, our washers drain into a sink so one is quite able to see if the last rinse water drains clear, dirty, foul or whatever. Please rest assured can hand have washed laundry again if the water had any trace of soils, just as one would continues to rinse until all traces of detergent are gone.

Four, it is well known secret laundry detergent makers often suggest dosages of product in surplus to requirements. That is one of the reasons behind this pods, packs, liquit-tabs, or whatever you want to call them. It is also the reason why tablets an other pre-measured laundry products often fail. Many consumers do not like a "one size fits all" approach.

 

[aquarius1984]

so seeing as you recognise the fact washing conditions are different

quote'

"Yes, one can reduce the amount of product used because those packs were designed to hold a dosage for washing beind done in France, not New York. Cannot speak for all parts of that country but our water is already quite soft."

Why originally state....

"Or, Simply Follow One's Lead
Got out one's digital kitchen scale used when baking and weighed one packet. When doing the wash one takes that number, divides by three and that is the amount poured into an Ariel Excell dosing cap. Said thing is then chucked into the wash."

My original point about CUTTING BACK not neccessarily being a good idea still stands. Id rather have clean washing FIRST time round and worry about extra rinsing than have to wash twice or 3 times just to get a stain out using a third of the detergent. In my case the manufacturer didnt reccomend enough for what I asked of the powder.

If you fancy doubting my finds with various powders like I mentioned above with the Fairy and Curry challenge feel free to come visit and see for yourself.

Perhaps before making blanket statements that are invalid to UK water, UK machines and UK detergents you could include a line or two mentioning that any advice you give may or may not be true for that person???

 

[optima]

Detergents

For me it has to be Almat Colour powder or liquid for darks & Almat Bio powder for whites. Great cleaning results !!!

 

[zanussi_lover]

Powder for Whites - Gel for Colours

I definately use "colour protect" detergents, I noticed a difference when I was using ordinary powder detergent with oxygen bleach in that my colours, particularly dark blues and blacks, were gradually getting a white hue. I recently bought some new clothes, and i soon noticed the difference when i started using Fairy Gel when I washed them a few times,

I use Fairy Powder on Whites and Fairy Gel on Darks - Comfort Pure or Fairy for Conditioner.

 

[ozzie908]

Optima's pic reply 28

I went into my local Aldi this morning and was surprised to see they have shrunk their boxes of washing powder.... you now get 25 washes instead of 30 but you still pay the same price.. Hmmmmm so much for value for money !It had crossed my mind on my previous visit why were there no washing powder boxes left and now I know.

Austin

 

[liberatordeluxe]

I never knew Mcbride made the detergents for Aldi. You 100% certain about that? I thought they were made in Germany. I used the tablets once and they were a bugger to dissolve!

Regarding Optical Brighteners i would be interested to genuinely know if anyone on here or someone knows of who is allergic to them? As they are not rinsed off clothing they remain intact with the skin like fabric conditioner does which i never use anyway.

The only powders i know od that doesn't contain OB is Ecover or Simply Pure. My water softner was the culprit for poor rinsing and is now working again but i only use a tablespoon of detergent for powder as otherwise its a foam explosion!

 

[ozzie908]

McBride...

Make Dispel detergent which having used it for whites is not bad for the money, I have no idea who makes Aldi's washing products.

Austin

 

[mrboilwash]

Aldi`s Almat powders sold in the UK seem to be German made. Link is to Thurn Produkte, a small manufacturer of private labels.

As to Persil liqui tabs can only report on Henkel`s "Persil Pods". I found them to be excellent performers but unfortunately the scent was next to nothing.
Not sure if 1 tab is enough for large loads in hard water in the long run, because I don`t want to risk lime scale build up on my clothes and using 2 tabs might be way too much, so I think I`ll stick to liquids.

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[mrboilwash]

I also noticed the absence of OBA`s in many P&G regular liquid detergents, Ariel seems to be the only exception.

To me this is good news, because OBA`s:

- are hormone pollutants (have no intention to become even more girlish)
- alter the color of pastels
- lots of my whites are off-white, cream-coloured[this post was last edited: 2/9/2013-08:33]

 

[liberatordeluxe]

Thanks MrBoilWash for that information on Almat detergents. The ingredients look very similar to Persil products. I had no idea that Optical Brighteners were hormone pollutants, where you find that out? It would be good if companies eliminated OBA's and made a general purpose detergent with oxygen bleach and enzymes but doubt that will happen. I sometimes just add Ecover oxygen bleach and i do find clothes fresher with that added depending how dirty they are.

 

[mrboilwash]

The most commonly used OBA`s in laundry detergents are stilbenes, which have been suspected as endocrine disruptor chemicals, but AFAIK has never been proven.

I heard about it from a TV report years ago.

 

[seamusuk]

Almat Colour...

Hey Guys
Tried it once and it left White marks on several dark items that took ages to get rid of!. I was on the verge of binning the items at first but they did eventually wash out. Took the powder back and got a refund.
Seamus

 

[seamusuk]

And as for Liquitabs....

Not being funny but is it so difficult to pour from the bottle into the measuring device that its worth paying nearly twice as much per load???