What would be better in my old A407 and cheaper of the two? Im on the fence about these. I use the liquid and love it but its still expensive even with online deals.
Persil Pro Clean powder or liquid?
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Powder hands down
why are you paying for water when your machine already has that in it?
why are you paying for water when your machine already has that in it?
Jon/John
I thought they stopped making ProClean powder a couple of years ago? It was my favorite and I'm still in mourning.
Geoff
I thought they stopped making ProClean powder a couple of years ago? It was my favorite and I'm still in mourning.
Geoff
Oh snap!
I happened to see the powder in the wash in video on Youtube the other day and thought it was still available in the US. So Im SOL????
I happened to see the powder in the wash in video on Youtube the other day and thought it was still available in the US. So Im SOL????
Persil Pro Clean powder has indeed been discontinued, we had a thread here in group about it at the time.
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?70797_44
Persil (Henkel from Germany) powder and megaperls are designed for h-axis washing machines, not traditional top loaders with central beater. It can be used, but you'll have to figure out what dosage gives good results.
You might want to search discount, dollar and other off price stores to see if can run a stash of Persil Pro Clean powder to ground. There is also always fleaPay, but people are wanting insane sums for containers of that detergent.
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?70797_44
Persil (Henkel from Germany) powder and megaperls are designed for h-axis washing machines, not traditional top loaders with central beater. It can be used, but you'll have to figure out what dosage gives good results.
You might want to search discount, dollar and other off price stores to see if can run a stash of Persil Pro Clean powder to ground. There is also always fleaPay, but people are wanting insane sums for containers of that detergent.
kenmoreguy89
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Persil pro clean= persil megaperls.
American version of powder from Persil that were indeed big pearls was actually similar to what in Germany and in Europe is sold in megaperls version. A much more compacted and concentrated powders version with bigger granules.
Different from regular powders? Sure!
Like every concentrated powder is indeed a concentrated surfactant componenti but percarbonate concentration is reduced in that small amount you dose that's why many people didn't find it as much performing as the regular powder. It indeed is not so on bleachable stains .
American version of powder from Persil that were indeed big pearls was actually similar to what in Germany and in Europe is sold in megaperls version. A much more compacted and concentrated powders version with bigger granules.
Different from regular powders? Sure!
Like every concentrated powder is indeed a concentrated surfactant componenti but percarbonate concentration is reduced in that small amount you dose that's why many people didn't find it as much performing as the regular powder. It indeed is not so on bleachable stains .
kenmoreguy89
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Liquids= more enzyme power but fake optical white.
Powders= a bit less enzyme power, more whitening and bleachable stain power from oxygen + bluing optical white touch.
Powders= a bit less enzyme power, more whitening and bleachable stain power from oxygen + bluing optical white touch.
I bought Persil Power Pearls from Target in May and July of 2017 via online order. Couldn't find it anywhere in local storefronts at the time. It was NLA shortly after.
Eddie got some this year off Amazon from Germany
It was $75/box not cheap. Frederico, why do you think liquids have more enzymes than powders?
It was $75/box not cheap. Frederico, why do you think liquids have more enzymes than powders?
kenmoreguy89
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Liquids more enzyme than powders.
They are usually more enzymatic than their powder counterpart and that is to cover the lack of other ingredients such as alkaline ingredients and oxygen that would perform better in hotter water, that is not true for every liquid of course and based on price you have better or worse formulations.
Some cheap liquid formulas just 1 or even none.
But as a general rule they are more rich in enzymes or have more kind of enzymes and that's because they were-are designed to be typically used at lower temperatures.
They know many consumers are afraid to use powders on warm-cold cycles due to dissolving problems, makers also know younger people are more prone to get a liquid instead of a powder and they also know they are the ones that usually use colder cycles or never set an appropriate temperature.
If you have say a grease stain and you use a barely warm cycle and a plain surfactant-soap product chances are the stain will just stay there, in order to break the stain in a liquid you need a rich amount of lipase enzyme to break the stain and a liquid will have more than a powder as the powder already have carbonate helping for that and typically is used in warmer cycles.
Powders such as Tide sure have more enzymes than a liquid such as cheap xtra but Tide liquid will have more than. Tide powder.
That is even more true for cold water products such as Tide cold water, it was "cold water" because it had a greater amount of enzymes to cover for the less effectiveness of the cold water it is supposed to work in.
They are usually more enzymatic than their powder counterpart and that is to cover the lack of other ingredients such as alkaline ingredients and oxygen that would perform better in hotter water, that is not true for every liquid of course and based on price you have better or worse formulations.
Some cheap liquid formulas just 1 or even none.
But as a general rule they are more rich in enzymes or have more kind of enzymes and that's because they were-are designed to be typically used at lower temperatures.
They know many consumers are afraid to use powders on warm-cold cycles due to dissolving problems, makers also know younger people are more prone to get a liquid instead of a powder and they also know they are the ones that usually use colder cycles or never set an appropriate temperature.
If you have say a grease stain and you use a barely warm cycle and a plain surfactant-soap product chances are the stain will just stay there, in order to break the stain in a liquid you need a rich amount of lipase enzyme to break the stain and a liquid will have more than a powder as the powder already have carbonate helping for that and typically is used in warmer cycles.
Powders such as Tide sure have more enzymes than a liquid such as cheap xtra but Tide liquid will have more than. Tide powder.
That is even more true for cold water products such as Tide cold water, it was "cold water" because it had a greater amount of enzymes to cover for the less effectiveness of the cold water it is supposed to work in.
kenmoreguy89
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Anyways since you love Persil so much (for some reasons) with all the members abroad including me why not to ask if somebody will ship them to you?
I get Dixan (persil here) for €12 a 80 scoop box, on amazon or ebay they go for 4 times their actual value, it is s waste.
I get Dixan (persil here) for €12 a 80 scoop box, on amazon or ebay they go for 4 times their actual value, it is s waste.
Have said this for ages....
If one compares liquid/gel detergents to powders ingredient list for former is often vastly larger.
Liquid detergents (especially top shelf) are a chemical cocktail long list of ingredients often designed overcome one thing; lack of oxygen bleach.
Enzymes, surfactants, polymers, maybe heavy doses of OBAs, and other ingredients are made to do the heavy lifting of shifting stains, soils, and "freshen" laundry in absence of oxygen bleach.
This is why top shelf liquids like Tide Stain Release, Persil ProClean, Persil Gel, etc... perform well enough on stains like blood, grass, wine, etc... While often not exactly same results as a good powdered detergent with oxygen bleach (or adding that substance on its own), but often still quite good.
IMHO modern liquids are far more polluting than powders because of this vast chemical list.
It is pretty much same thing as when phosphates were removed from laundry detergents. It took addition of several other things to replace what phosphates did all by themselves.
Finally this heavy chemical cocktail IMHO goes along way in explaining why many report difficulty in some liquid detergents rinsing away cleanly.
If one compares liquid/gel detergents to powders ingredient list for former is often vastly larger.
Liquid detergents (especially top shelf) are a chemical cocktail long list of ingredients often designed overcome one thing; lack of oxygen bleach.
Enzymes, surfactants, polymers, maybe heavy doses of OBAs, and other ingredients are made to do the heavy lifting of shifting stains, soils, and "freshen" laundry in absence of oxygen bleach.
This is why top shelf liquids like Tide Stain Release, Persil ProClean, Persil Gel, etc... perform well enough on stains like blood, grass, wine, etc... While often not exactly same results as a good powdered detergent with oxygen bleach (or adding that substance on its own), but often still quite good.
IMHO modern liquids are far more polluting than powders because of this vast chemical list.
It is pretty much same thing as when phosphates were removed from laundry detergents. It took addition of several other things to replace what phosphates did all by themselves.
Finally this heavy chemical cocktail IMHO goes along way in explaining why many report difficulty in some liquid detergents rinsing away cleanly.
rolls_rapide
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"modern liquids are far more polluting"
One of the German consumer magazines also said that.
A decent powder still outperforms liquids, and as for enzyme content, a few of the powders have five or six enzymes.
Persil powder and Dixan powder (Henkel) have about five, and Lidl's Formil has around six enzymes.
P&G Ariel and Lever's Persil seem to have been dumbed down to four. The basic powders from these two giants (Daz, Bold, Surf) are usually even poorer.
One of the German consumer magazines also said that.
A decent powder still outperforms liquids, and as for enzyme content, a few of the powders have five or six enzymes.
Persil powder and Dixan powder (Henkel) have about five, and Lidl's Formil has around six enzymes.
P&G Ariel and Lever's Persil seem to have been dumbed down to four. The basic powders from these two giants (Daz, Bold, Surf) are usually even poorer.
Paying for water
Is one reason haven't ordered liquid/gel detergents from Europe in ages....
Am not paying quite dear shipping rates to move a container that is mostly water.
Is one reason haven't ordered liquid/gel detergents from Europe in ages....
Am not paying quite dear shipping rates to move a container that is mostly water.
Thanks for the advice guys I guess I'll stick with Persil liquid or Tide powdered when I find them on sale
kenmoreguy89
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Maybe you can give the Mexican stuff a try?
How do powders do with darks, blacks and vivid colors? Do they accelerate fading?
I’d like to switch to powder now that I got the Elux that pre mixes.
And I hate all the plastic jug waste.
But I’m concerned about darks.
I’d like to switch to powder now that I got the Elux that pre mixes.
And I hate all the plastic jug waste.
But I’m concerned about darks.
kenmoreguy89
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Cheap garment's colors or extremely sensible may suffer from oxygen or alkalinity.
But on a general note universal powders are safe on colours and darks and that's all I use, if you wish there are powders specially designed for colours which don't have oxygen or oba's.
Myself I am much more worried about oba's since it happebed that they gave some garments a dull look because of the very fine lint in surface that would reflect the light, even more noticeable in a club with an uv light giving a black shirt a kind of white blue aura.
Some people are scared as hell to use powders on colors and only use liquids on those as they say they ruined a lot of items, but they are the same folks that using a liquid also shovel percarbonate additives such as oxy clean or clorox2
vanish etc like crazy or peroxide liquid additives..and apparently that one is ok...go figure...
But on a general note universal powders are safe on colours and darks and that's all I use, if you wish there are powders specially designed for colours which don't have oxygen or oba's.
Myself I am much more worried about oba's since it happebed that they gave some garments a dull look because of the very fine lint in surface that would reflect the light, even more noticeable in a club with an uv light giving a black shirt a kind of white blue aura.
Some people are scared as hell to use powders on colors and only use liquids on those as they say they ruined a lot of items, but they are the same folks that using a liquid also shovel percarbonate additives such as oxy clean or clorox2
vanish etc like crazy or peroxide liquid additives..and apparently that one is ok...go figure...
