Persil VS Skip-Similarities and differencies

[launderess]

Powder degergents clean well....

Yes, there is the fact that powder detergents often contain bleaching agents which assist in cleaning; but their main strength lies in pH level. Simply put alkaline detergents are good not only as shifting soils but have a cleansing, sanitizing and fresh smelling.

Body soils including perspiration are mainly acidic in nature. An alkaline detergent will neutralize and remove such soils. This is often why so called "smelly" laundry still has a whiff about it when done with only liquid detergents.

Notice to a one almost every single major laundry detergent maker; P&G, Unilever, Henkel, etc... all offer some type of "booster". These are usually nothing more than oxygen bleach and often one or two alkaline substances such as washing soda. In essence putting back what was gotten rid of by choosing a liquid detergent in the first place. You find this and or the various pods that have a liquid and powder kept in separate sections until used.

For years laundries achieved rather great results using nothing more than soap andsodium metasilicate

 

[grwasher_expert]

I remember american-type compact powders were sold in Greece too in late '80s-early '90s.In late '90s all companies abandoned compact powder development and production and returned to normal powders,and they started developing compact liquids.Until today,liquids become more and more compact and improved while powders remain the same.Why don't they care about powders?

 

[dixan]

Today in Europe there are only a few brands that have compact powders: Persil megaperls by Henkel, Ariel compact by P&G and supermarket own brands by Dalli Werke, Thurn and McBride/Chemolux (Formil, Tandil, Bravil, Ja, Denkmit etc.). They are sold in virtually 2-3 countries. All of them have great bleaching system, but are granulated with zeolites so they contain huge amounts of them. For whites they are OK, but for colous - not al all. In fact I wouldn't use powder with such high zeolite content all the time even for whites. Yes, the bleaching system is fantastic, but zeilites are insoluble plus they increase the friction between the fabrics which leads to rapid wear. That's why compact powders usually contain very active cellulase enzyme - to cover the negative effects from the zeolites. The manufacturers must reformulate soon.

Maybe you've noticed that most of the powders shank. For example Dixan's dose was 80 g/135 ml and now it's 65 g/115 ml (in Bulgaria Persil's dose was 100 g/142 ml, now it's 70 g/108 ml), Skip's was 80 g/135 ml, now 70 g/110 ml. This is not true compacting, because they don't change the bulk density, just reduce the dose by removing part of the heavy inactive ingredients.

 

[grwasher_expert]

Persil megaperls is sold only in Germany,USA and maybe 2-3 more countries.Do you have them in Bulgaria too?The dosaging maybe has been reduced,but in the last 15 years we never had a really compact powder,like the american ones.We used to have before 20-25 years,but they quickly disappeared.I don't know if they were a failure or they abandoned them because of bad manufacturing cost/selling price ratio.
Below I've uploaded a photo of a 1991 Ariel and a today's Ariel for comparison

 

[dixan]

They discontinued them because of the high manufacturing cost and because most of the customers didn't like them: they thought the small dose was not enough and tended to use more than recommended.

 

[grwasher_expert]

So,they were discontinued because of the stupidity of the people doing lanudry.They used the same doses as they were used to with ordinary powders,so they ran out of powder too soon.

 

[dixan]

Yes, that's what I meant, but the word "stupidity" is pretty strong. People are used to something; when you offer something new you have to convince them in it's qualities.

 

[liamy1]

Compact powders

The UK lost their compact powders quickly too (Ariel Ultra, Persil Micro etc).

Was just said they didn't prove very popular with consumers.

Also, not long after compacts came about, we got the powder tablets (which actually proved very popular here). Then liquid capsules came a few years later.

 

[paulc]

Modern "big box" powders in the U.K. Are actually more concentrated than a lot of the "compact" powders of the1990's. Manufacturers have increased the concentration gradually over the years. I think the compact powders were too big of a leap for a lot of consumers who didn't think 100ml of compact powder would wash as well as 200 to 400ml of the traditional powders.

 

[liamy1]

Compact powders

Paulc makes a good point, products have been gradually getting more concentrated.

When Ariel/Daz etc Ultra was around, the 2.0kg box size would get you 22 washes. The current 22 wash box from P&G is now only 2.4kg - so they're now not far off what they were anyway.

In agreement, back in the early 90s, the market was just not ready for them, but now, with ever increasing focus on being envinromentally friendly and products becoming increasing concentrated - I think they're ready now.

Suppose the only reason why there hasn't been any changes/pushes on powder is because PG and Unilever would prefere everyone to use liquid and capsules.

 

[grwasher_expert]

Powder tablets here in Greece never became very popular,because of the high cost in comparison with powder.The first powder tablets,Skip tablets,were launched in 1998.You couldn't put them in the detergent drawer like the powder because they wouldn't dissolve,but you had to put them in a net that was included in every box and then put the net directly in the drum.The normal dose was 2 tablets for each wash, or 3 if the load was too large(over 6 kg) or clothes too soiled.I remember using them in my old machine,but the "net" system wasn't convenient at all and they often left residue on clothes especially in low temperatures.Although, I loved their smell.Later,I think that the net system was abandoned and the tablets became easily dissolvable,so they could be put in the drawer like the ordinary powder.They stayed on the shelves until 2012 when liquid capsules took their place.

 

[aquacycle]

The Skip tablets with the net are the same format that we had here, only ours were Persil.

The packaging on those looks more like the doomed Persil Power.

 

[launderess]

Persil Compact

One little scoop!



Good for even rugby kit!

 

[launderess]

When dirt says "hot" but the label says "not&#34

Use Ariel!

 

[aquacycle]

Oh how I love our old detergent ad's. They're all really boring these days.

 

[launderess]

Actor from the "rugby" Ariel advert

Is Jeremy Swift of recent "Mr. Spratt" of Downton Abbey fame. So young and good-looking, not to mention a tad bit slimmer.

Mr. Swift has been on Britcoms as well. He also played butler (Arthur) in Gosford Park.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0842596/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t26

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0842596/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

 

[liamy1]

Agree

Ads now are terrible, there have been some great ones in the past.

 

[grwasher_expert]

Persil power

I've read about the persil power failure. and I was wondering if that disaster formula has ever been imported as well in other european markets(as Skip/Omo) or it was only a UK thing.Is there any possibility that the persil power formula failure contributed to the total disappearance of compact powders from european markets?

 

[foraloysius]

It was a European affair. In the Netherlands we had problems with Omo Power and All Active.

 

[liamy1]

Persil Power

I don't know if Persil Power had anything to do with the demise of "compacts" - as Persil Power was just one of around 6 major compact brands available at the time.

Think it was as mentioned up thread, back then, people were not as accustomed to a "less is more" thinking, and would assume most would have thought they weren't getting as much for their money.

It's my opinion that this is what finished the Dreft brand off here in the UK - it wasn't available in anything bigger than a 9 wash box, and when considering the various other powders that go on offer regularly, you could get 25-30 washes for not much over £1-2 more than what the Dreft cost.

Don't know if you have seen the below mini documentary on Persil power GRWASHER, was told a member of AW appears in it.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVVOSRJ248

 

[aquacycle]

A few members of AW appear in it, I believe

 

[liamy1]

Cheers

AquaCycle, I remember someone saying there were people from AW in it.

And of course Jill Dando appears too, God rest her soul.

 

[grwasher_expert]

Persil power in greece

As I was watching a bunch ov vintage greek tv ads from the '90s,I've encountered a 1994 commercial for Skip power detergent,which seems to be exactly the same with UK's Persil power.However,it didn't become such a fuss about it here.Maybe after the issues with persil power,the formula instantly disappeared from the whole european market.

 

[aquacycle]

However,it didn't become such a fuss about it here

That doesn't surprise me at all. British people love to complain and blow everything out of proportion. Everything is always absolutely OUTRAGEOUS and UNACCEPTABLE.