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By washing machines in Europe versus the lack thereof in North America (historically) was how source of hot water evolved between the two.

For various reasons most if not many European homes do not have large central water heaters. Water is heated by the machines which require (dishwashers, washing machines), and then you have units of various sizes supplying the taps. The latter could be whole house or by areas of home.

American and to an extent Canadian homes went the other way with usually a main source of hot water (boiler or heater) which his then sent throughout the home.

To my knowledge the American market never had a washing machine with self heating capabilities. Dishwashers didn't get them for years either, again preferring to draw water from the main hot water source.

Going back to early days commercial laundries on both sides of the ponds (so called "steam laundries") had washing machines that relied upon a heating source (steam), but that is where things ended. Even today in much of Europe laundromat washers usually heat their own water. OTOH that is totally nonexistent in American versions. This probably goes a long way to explain the poor results often seen from exclusive use of American Laundromats. Unless one uses chlorine bleach (and often even then) the results are sooner or later dingy and dull whites.

Even the much highly spoken of Speed Queen front loaders still refuse to have internal heaters. Electrolux/Laundrylux machines used in Paris have internal heaters, but those in the USA do not.
 
I don't know, all of the laundromats i can see over here have machines who wouldn't self heat not even wash in hotter water than warm...forget boiling point.
Just once, as a little boy, we were in a nice touristic village in Palma de Maiorca, and I remember there was this laundromat with a row of brownish/reddish console Lavamats the ones with the visible suspended tubs like , and I sure remember me touching the glass that was boiling hot, that sure was an AEG's 95 degrees white wash....I remember then me take a whiff out of the caked-in-detergent drawer, like I always did for any front loader I saw. LOL
But I can say, that after that I've never seen a laundromat with machines that would boil or washing with water hotter than warm.

So..over here it's sort of the same...
But it's not the machine's lack/fault...it's who runs the thing.
It's not infact strange to see laundromats habituè people pouring industrial quantity of peroxy bleaches, Vanish and chlorine bleach to the machines to mitigate the absence of real hot water needed and discuss that...forget already when it's a front loader that's supposed to wash in 30 mins or so...
Another downside of modern laundromats:
At least here laundromats with self dosing detergents units are what is common among newer ones, and not much to surprise the ones where people prefer not to go to....

Many reasons...first of all there's detergent preference, second is the same as the hot water matter, so typically the owners tend to set things pointing at profit..so what is supposed to be at least 65-70 degrees hot water fill becomes 45-50, what is supposed to be 1 cup of liquid going in, then becomes half...

But...

That's what happens everywhere..and I'm sure they'd find a way to "arrange" them not to heat this hot even if they were self heating.
If you have a laundromat who feed machines with proper water hotness, kiss the owners and sanctify them!

Luckily most italians would rather own their own units inside their homes, apartment common laundromats are non-existent here, laundromats are rather a thing for tourists or students by.passer etc.
Laundromats though here are busier in winter months, that's because some people chose to launder there as then they can dry all in those big gas dryers, much people don't have space for a dryer in their homes, and if it's electric you might end up spending as much as paying to use the laundromats, hang clothes indoor is an hassle especially since your place is small....in summer, as typical italian, there're pulleys & clothesline from almost every window and balcony.
 
No...Launderess, dear..that was no my intention to spoil you in any ways.
What you said is very correct, and couldn't have said it better....
But, I said that most laundromats I can seen have machines who will not heat.
Now, what was in the past I don't know much, also because in Europe laundromats generally were not a big thing as in the US....
I just wanted to tell how things are now...
It is very possible, and sure was as you say, that in Europe you had laundromat machines who would self heat, at least, more than in America where for domestic machines since the first wringer washer to the last automatic washer there never was a machine who would heat from cold... and there never was this "option".
But support heaters who would eventually raise temps of few dickers or so.
In the past, only machine with a similar thing that I know, was a
Said this,I apologize if you got this the wrong way...
 
Actually

According to the plates inside the SQ washers at local laundromat they are capable of being fitted with steam for self heating.

While many commercial washing machines still have steam or other means of self heating not all laundromat will offer the option. SQ does IIRC, but not Dexter for instance.

IIRC the main objection to using steam heated laundromat washers here in the States is that self heating washers would take longer to complete a cycle. Time is money to American mat owners and if a machine is slow then there must be more of them to cope with demand/back-up.

The other reason is cost and added layer of complexity in laundromat design and operation. Nearly all fifty states have strict local laws about who can operate steam boilers over a certain PSI. Apartment and other buildings for instance that have steam heat/hot water require someone certified to operate the boilers.

In NYC at least many Laundromats are located in commercial space of residential buildings, can see the inherent danger if a steam boiler went "kaboom".

Laundromat designers here are quick to point out that central water heaters fitted with circulators will deliver water hot as anyone wishes to the machines. If the pipe runs are insulated so the better.

The problem is too many mat owners cheap out by turning the hot water temps down and or not using circulators. Worse there is no spin between the cold pre-wash and the so called "hot" fill of main wash. So whatever "hot" water does reach the machine is diluted when it hits that cold washer and laundry.
 
Yes...
I understand that...but maybe that would be a good thing in Manhattan as there's the common steam piping from Con Ed and NYC Steam system servicing all the area, but as time is money as you say few would do that...forget in other places than NYC.
And really...nobody likes to wait...hence a reason more why opt for hot fill.
I wonder if customers wouldn't be the first ones complaining for long times?
Over here steam is really not used, not even for condo home heating, what cicrculates in radiators is water... except for very large laundries..then a steam furnace makes no sense..and I really think doesn't in a laundromat,even more a typical european small one.

Most laundromats in this country are in residential buildings too, as gas reaches everywhere and is cheap this is the main source for heating, what you have here is gas boilers in the backroom, there might be machines capable of self heating with gas also, I sure know of some used in laundries but not born for coin laundry and you need anyway to vent a row of say 10 machines, you can't do that easily in a commercial space, same reason why here many laundromats do have condenser dryers, condenser dryers takes longer, and while they require less gas to heat they require water to cool condensers, all laundromats with condenser dryers ask more money to run a cycle than ones with vented dryers...

I think that it all changes also upon the country, but even in countries as France where electricty cost less what I could see in French "laverie" were hot fill machines...perhaps an electric boiler instead of gas?
I think that I really never seen a Miele like that in a Laundromat here or places i traveled, that actually looks more like a typical professional Miele washer adapted to laundromat use, not born to do the coin laundry specifically...they sure do heat..they also use 380 volt commercial voltage IIRC.
After all that's Germany and they will use their machines... another thing I newer saw is coin-box-less 5kg home-style machines in use in laundromats, while I'm seeing you could see some german "waschsalon" with them...
That's typical german I guess...not what comes to mind when I think of coin laundry.

Anyway...lucky us we have a washer, 2 or 3...LOL

But if I ever needed to use a front loader in a laundromat, sure i'd want to get spoiled too and use one like that reaches 90....
Unfortunately...this is not the case for most laundromats i could and can see around.. common are for sure the greed owners and dingy whites.
Well....actually, to be really spoiled I'd want at least a vintage one like Diomede's (vivalavatrice)one....too bad it's almost 2hrs from me.

http://www.illavatricista.it/lavanderia-vintage
 
Steam, Boil,Steeping

Most of our UK launderettes have and had central water heating as standard, the washers where piped with both hot and cold water and indeed could be heated by steam as well.

Only the new generation of launderette machines and launderettes have individual heaters to heat their own water, probably because of the low energy programming and water levels, efficient detergents and of course not having to heat large amounts of water all the time and to pipe it to the washers..

You can still get new HE washing machines that do have a direst steam connection but they are usually reserved for the large capacity 24/7 operations.

Unlike most of Europe the UK domestic hot water systems in households have largely been run off backboilers, ranges and freestanding boilers that use a calorifier and store hot water in a tank. It has only been since the 80`s that a plethera of small instantaneous combi boilers provide direct hot water to taps without the need of a tank supply!!
 
Primus brand is owned by Alliance Laundry in the USA

Which promptly basically shut down support for the brand in USA IIRC. Prior to this throughout the 1980's and 1990's you could find Primus laundry equipment in Laundromats all over the USA. You might find them still but again getting parts could be difficult. [this post was last edited: 8/12/2015-00:26]
 
Agreed...

The narrator seems to have an odd way of accenting some terms. 

 

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Cuffs054: thats the thing about this site all different styles of laundry and info for us all to enjoy!!

Hi Ian, yes I think the filter in the base of the agitator helps build the pressure and force the "Percolation" effect..

Hello Mike, yes the aroma was quite something we used Ariel powder and the rolling boil produced a room of steam, apart from not needing to use chlorine with the boil temp we could be high on the fumes all week!!

Washer111, the heater on this model was switched on all the time, we started from hot water about 60d temp and moved quickly to boil, as the pressure build under the agi and the surrounding water "boils" thats when the perc action begins, and the boiling water is forced up and out then cooler water enters the heater area, usually took 30 secs to a minute to "Boil "again...

Mac, yes the bigger holes in the Hotpoint Supermatic are indeed a good setup for this style of action, and yes best to keep hands out, as the pressure built while filming was nervous it was gonna explode in front of the lens!!
 
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Morning Ingemar, I should try it using some vintage detergent and hopefully re-create the aroma, my nan had a boiler bucket on the stove and used Persil, the aroma was something else wafting down the garden.

Steve, cheeky arnt we its Cordon Bleu or nowt!! yes get that supermatic out you may be surprised, but make sure you have the holes in the agi other wise lordy knows what might happen with that pressure!!

Kenmoreguy89: have just tested the Servis MK3, WOW its even better than the Philips as this kept a rolling boil once the temp was reached!!

Morning Jon Jetcone, yes "Sput-o-Boil" get that patented quick....and grey faceclothes , with all that testing they should be bleach white with holes in!!

Louis, ha ha homes under the hammer, its great for looking back through the decades, my dad still has his Baxi Bermuds V3 with a cast iron back boiler thats heats tank water, not as efficient as todays boilers but spacesaving and does the job well!!
 
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Hi Launderess, a quick way to work out on the Primus machines is if they have Cool, Warm and Hot temp options, the weshers with built in heaters usually state temps as in 40d 60d & 90d, not sure this is a working launderama as in behind the scenes setup but Nordwash and Ipso Primus weshers in a launderama near here are heated with hot water from tank storage.

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Steam, Boil,Steeping

Rod, great video even with the "accent", the latest laundry setups are just amazing, looked in on my nieces laundry at uni and its state of the art JLA machines with Smart technology and connected to payment cards and look up on smart phone for your "Wash Status"....I like this range using the Schulthess Swiss designs...

http://www.jla.com/laundry-equipment/washers/commercial-washers
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Primus USA - Take it for what it's worth: http://www.coinwash.com/mb/showthread.php?t=5382

New York State - Upstate especially Troy and Schenectady were manufacturing hubs back in their day. In fact that is killing upstate NY today is the death of manufacturing and taking jobs away. Kodak, Ford, you name it, they've gone.

Despite the name, Braun laundry equipment was actually founded in Syracuse, New York (another manufacturing area of the state). http://www.gabraun.com/about-us/history/

App/Smart Phone/Internet notification:

Some American laundromat equipment vendors are offering washers and dryers with the ability to text or ring a smart phone when laundry is done.

Electrolux via Laundrylux is one; but their equipment isn't universally popular with mat owners.

http://laundrylux.com/a-new-spin-on-the-laundry-experience/
 
Morning Mike & all!
Yes...
Difference is that many will have buttons with "hot"- "warm"-"cool" wash, or actual preset programmes "whites/colorfast"--"colors"-"delicates" etc... and not an actual gradation, those are hot fill non-self-heating ones that I also see for the most around here.
I'm sorry that we got a little off topic here talking laundromats....
Will now try to stick to the thread.
The Servis sure does that too, discovered it one time that I kept on talking with the neighbor longer than usual while I left the servis alone heating, and came back home there it was pouring water from the agi vents like the Trevi fountain.....here we had an heat wave and really didn't want to stick around the Boiling servis, my kitchen was hot enough, but now that's gone I want to take a video..
I never really need to boil, they always does with a 60-70 degrees wash...but for sake of information and "fun" that's what I do from times to times.
 
I actually wanted to wait until I moved to the farm, was supposed to move in July but works delayed and it's gonna be October, intention was that to use the Servis outside.. as daily driver for the summer till Fall, waiting for the common laundry room (Bed&Breakfast and all family laundry) to be finished, there will go the Whirlpool Belt drive, Speed Queen and Filter flo and likely a Maytag wringer 2NL am hoping for the seller to lower the price....and maybe something else nice of automatic if I find it..oh... and also current dad's Grand'O..if we don't sell it...his wife doesn't like it much nor do I.
The aquamatic I also recently got will go there, but I got that only to dye clothes, I typically don't do laundry in it except refreshing...excellent machine to dye given the size etc.
Laundry room will be equipped with on-demand gas insta heater reaching 80 deegrees feeding all machines, support wood powered tank heater for wintr months and water heating chimney in the breakfast/dining room next to it when in use (often we hope)....
I wanted to use the servis outside in the back porch, always a nice breeze there no hassle for hot washes and boil in hot weather, there also is a BBQ fireplace if I ever wanted to heat water w/out using the electric heater, set up a washtub to do deep rinses, a clothesline...and do laundry that way till fall, and as I was at it, give some of the tons boxes of VTG belgian detergents, Henkel Persil, sunil, Omo & Tide etc that I still have a run, still have 60+ NIB boxes of the stuff sitting in my detrgnt cupboards....there was no better occasion for some "vintage style laundry" and to use them.
Unfortunately didn't work out, but sure will do that starting next Spring....

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