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"typical italian setting"
I would rather say that that is not a typical italian setting.
If you want to say what is typical you have to take into account the large majority of the people.
And in Italy the absolute majority of the population have a European front loader. Those that have a dryer have a European dryer.
Yes there will also be those who decide to buy an American dryer, but as a percentage the number is irrelevant.
Those are exceptions and not something typical.
I would rather say that that is not a typical italian setting.
If you want to say what is typical you have to take into account the large majority of the people.
And in Italy the absolute majority of the population have a European front loader. Those that have a dryer have a European dryer.
Yes there will also be those who decide to buy an American dryer, but as a percentage the number is irrelevant.
Those are exceptions and not something typical.
kenmoreguy89
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Yes...
Typical italian setting...of ones who will purchase an American dryer, it was for granted..
And that was in response to him about this matter.
But in any case...that was for a laugh! That's not much typical to stack a rear panel machine! LOLOLOLOLOL
But believe me that whoever can would do everything to have one.
Beside that, what's typical Italian is stacking, as space is often an issue, what many folks, the lucky ones who can have a dryer will likely do is putting the dryer on the top...if you stack an american dryer or not, that always stacking is...
For that reason newer front panel models are what is starting being distribuited..though more expensive than basic rear-control models.
Also...
The number of people owning a dryer in this country is already irrilevant per-se...forget gas dryers that are so expensive and need gas hook ups and venting...which is not possible in most of cases...
Not sure if you didn't follow or what...
Typical italian setting...of ones who will purchase an American dryer, it was for granted..
And that was in response to him about this matter.
But in any case...that was for a laugh! That's not much typical to stack a rear panel machine! LOLOLOLOLOL
But believe me that whoever can would do everything to have one.
Beside that, what's typical Italian is stacking, as space is often an issue, what many folks, the lucky ones who can have a dryer will likely do is putting the dryer on the top...if you stack an american dryer or not, that always stacking is...
For that reason newer front panel models are what is starting being distribuited..though more expensive than basic rear-control models.
Also...
The number of people owning a dryer in this country is already irrilevant per-se...forget gas dryers that are so expensive and need gas hook ups and venting...which is not possible in most of cases...
Not sure if you didn't follow or what...
Hi Nathan,
Thanks very much for that information. I was aware they were using a "split" setup, particularly for a lot of new-builds these days, which have electronic-logic in them.
With that HartStat system, does it work in reverse for cooler conditions, or just to prevent boiling on days with large solar-gain?
Our system, installed back in 2013, was the slightly more expensive model utilising a closed-loop heating system, for protection against freezing and hard water conditions.
I'm not sure how resistant to boiling this fluid is - although in this instance, it heats the "walls" of the tank, rather than in the traditional setup where the hot water is the heating fluid as well.
Over this side, we're officially beyond the 26th Parallell (North-West), and not far beyond the Tropic of Capricorn.
The water heater and ducted A/C both drain into the sewerage vent for the bathrooms on the roof - although it hasn't been uncommon to see a lot of steam billowing in the Summer months, particularly a small quantity of water has been used from the tank.
Unfortunately, I can't give you an official temperature figure... The water entering the house is tempered to 50º. If the water up there is really get beyond 80º, I wonder how that might affect the longevity of the tempering device?
Thanks very much for that information. I was aware they were using a "split" setup, particularly for a lot of new-builds these days, which have electronic-logic in them.
With that HartStat system, does it work in reverse for cooler conditions, or just to prevent boiling on days with large solar-gain?
Our system, installed back in 2013, was the slightly more expensive model utilising a closed-loop heating system, for protection against freezing and hard water conditions.
I'm not sure how resistant to boiling this fluid is - although in this instance, it heats the "walls" of the tank, rather than in the traditional setup where the hot water is the heating fluid as well.
Over this side, we're officially beyond the 26th Parallell (North-West), and not far beyond the Tropic of Capricorn.
The water heater and ducted A/C both drain into the sewerage vent for the bathrooms on the roof - although it hasn't been uncommon to see a lot of steam billowing in the Summer months, particularly a small quantity of water has been used from the tank.
Unfortunately, I can't give you an official temperature figure... The water entering the house is tempered to 50º. If the water up there is really get beyond 80º, I wonder how that might affect the longevity of the tempering device?
kenmoreguy89
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For what concerns gas dryers in general.....
That's also why some dealers started carrying asian Ultra-compact models from Rinnai, along with White knight machines from UK.
All dealers here typically started carrying US machines, and for most that dates back before the HE "craze" started in the US...what you had available were rear control classic machines, it's only recently that they started importing and having gas dryers with front panels, indeed meant to match front loaders and be stacked...operated with no probs.
Dealers of gas dryers are in costant growth...also thanks to their presence in fairs throughout Italy.
What stops many potential buyers is the impossibility to vent or a gas hook up...for the space issue they started offering those compact models...they're dear as well.
If one can is of course suggested to buy an american model...dealers are honest in this...and first ones saying there's no comparison...also mostly because what is also advertised is the fact that US dryers because of their bigger drums, will cut ironing...
You can read many reviews of people who are entuxhiast just about this aspect alone...and couldn't read one single negative one, some dealers were so sure of a positive response they would take their van come to your house offering a week-long trial for free.
Unfortunately as I stated not all and not even the most can have this "privilege", it's already a "privilige" being able to fit a dryer in this country..a big one, or one that requires nearby gas hook up or venting is something indeed "rare" to be able to have...just the venting aspect alone is what stopped many potential buyers in buying a dryer, back in the days of early italian dryers...and those who could, ended up rarely using the thing because of energy costs.
Rather surely the main reason why the condenser dryer took on for the most was indeed the impossibility for venting.
Gas dryers, being also something you don't typically find sold in your average appliance shop, makes of it of course an elite-appliance, as much as was owning a side-by-side refrigerator back in 80s and 90s...which you found indeed in dealers only, dealers who also offered US toploaders and gas dryers,sure not as common and as "much" as who now deals in gas dryers.
As you can understand, those who will purchase a US gas dryer, are folks who can afford it, and likely not having money issues more prone to have less space issues...
Me...I'm not particularly rich, got mine second hand from an unique circumstance...nor live in castle like house (for now)...what I did is fitting mine in my kitchen/living room, very next to sofa, would have gladly put it in the bathroom next to washer..but no hook up nearby...
When mom had our filter-flo shipped from US she also discussed getting a dryer...but the only place available is where mine is now,so we kept having the euro electric dryers...she refused categorically to have guests next to a dryer...me I simply don't give a rat's..and if it bothers you, then GTHO my house!
LOL But that's me.
I bless the day the Speed Queen entered in service in my home....and so does my neighbor after seing mine..she bought a set (her apt is double the size of mine)..and still thanks me now.
For what concerns gas dryers in general.....
That's also why some dealers started carrying asian Ultra-compact models from Rinnai, along with White knight machines from UK.
All dealers here typically started carrying US machines, and for most that dates back before the HE "craze" started in the US...what you had available were rear control classic machines, it's only recently that they started importing and having gas dryers with front panels, indeed meant to match front loaders and be stacked...operated with no probs.
Dealers of gas dryers are in costant growth...also thanks to their presence in fairs throughout Italy.
What stops many potential buyers is the impossibility to vent or a gas hook up...for the space issue they started offering those compact models...they're dear as well.
If one can is of course suggested to buy an american model...dealers are honest in this...and first ones saying there's no comparison...also mostly because what is also advertised is the fact that US dryers because of their bigger drums, will cut ironing...
You can read many reviews of people who are entuxhiast just about this aspect alone...and couldn't read one single negative one, some dealers were so sure of a positive response they would take their van come to your house offering a week-long trial for free.
Unfortunately as I stated not all and not even the most can have this "privilege", it's already a "privilige" being able to fit a dryer in this country..a big one, or one that requires nearby gas hook up or venting is something indeed "rare" to be able to have...just the venting aspect alone is what stopped many potential buyers in buying a dryer, back in the days of early italian dryers...and those who could, ended up rarely using the thing because of energy costs.
Rather surely the main reason why the condenser dryer took on for the most was indeed the impossibility for venting.
Gas dryers, being also something you don't typically find sold in your average appliance shop, makes of it of course an elite-appliance, as much as was owning a side-by-side refrigerator back in 80s and 90s...which you found indeed in dealers only, dealers who also offered US toploaders and gas dryers,sure not as common and as "much" as who now deals in gas dryers.
As you can understand, those who will purchase a US gas dryer, are folks who can afford it, and likely not having money issues more prone to have less space issues...
Me...I'm not particularly rich, got mine second hand from an unique circumstance...nor live in castle like house (for now)...what I did is fitting mine in my kitchen/living room, very next to sofa, would have gladly put it in the bathroom next to washer..but no hook up nearby...
When mom had our filter-flo shipped from US she also discussed getting a dryer...but the only place available is where mine is now,so we kept having the euro electric dryers...she refused categorically to have guests next to a dryer...me I simply don't give a rat's..and if it bothers you, then GTHO my house!
LOL But that's me.
I bless the day the Speed Queen entered in service in my home....and so does my neighbor after seing mine..she bought a set (her apt is double the size of mine)..and still thanks me now.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
Yes....I think so..unless they are circus folks and will do some kind of acrobacy to turn it on..
LOL
That's pretty nuts...but honestly..probably something I would also do. LOL
LOL
That's pretty nuts...but honestly..probably something I would also do. LOL
Et maintenant nous continuons à notre programme prévu: la lessiveuse.
ozzie908
Well-known member
Self heating launderette machines
Are sadly not that common due to the huge amount of energy needed as some of them have 6kw heaters to allow them to be fast cycled, If you find an establishment with self heating machines then let everyone know as I have found that even machines with a temp selector have bridging across the thermostat terminals to make the washer think its reached its set temp. I have never seen a launderette with domestic machines in situ I will of course keep my eyes open.
I have a lot of white laundry and Persil non bio is by the best at high temps and Ariel for non white washing its now back to being a good all rounder as the stain additives have gone off the shelf and back in to the product so no need to purchase separately anymore.
Austin
Are sadly not that common due to the huge amount of energy needed as some of them have 6kw heaters to allow them to be fast cycled, If you find an establishment with self heating machines then let everyone know as I have found that even machines with a temp selector have bridging across the thermostat terminals to make the washer think its reached its set temp. I have never seen a launderette with domestic machines in situ I will of course keep my eyes open.
I have a lot of white laundry and Persil non bio is by the best at high temps and Ariel for non white washing its now back to being a good all rounder as the stain additives have gone off the shelf and back in to the product so no need to purchase separately anymore.
Austin
I had a chat with my 85 year old grand aunt this morning about how they used to do laundry back in the day and it was surprisingly not very complicated.
She said they mostly used Rinso. You just put a "good dollop" of it into the bottom off the washing machine. Filled the machine 2/3 way up with hot water (not too hot but hand hot). Put clothes in and switched on.
She said she never used bleach but sometimes used Persil or Omo.
If collars were really dirty she just soaked them for longer (went out and did her shooing or went to work and left them in the machine all day)
She started out with a Hoover Twin tub, then moved to a Hotpoint Toploader Automatic which she said was fast but really hard on the clothes and damaged a lot of her favourite items which is why she got rid of it.
Then got a Bendix Autowasher and matching dryer sometime in the 1970s.
She said basically she never boiled anything at any stage other than tea towels and that was more for hygiene reasons and usually just in a large pot on the stove with dish detergent.
She said the biological powders were very good when they came out first as they just worked more reliably and you no longer had any issues with stains or collar marks.
Seems her preference was Omo, then Persil Bio or Ariel.
She currently likes Persil Small & Mighty liquid as it smells good and she finds the powders way too harsh on the clothes. Only uses them for doing her towels and bed linen (if it's white or cream).
So doesn't really sound like the laundry habits here were THAT radically different to today really other than the machines changing from top to front loading.
She said they mostly used Rinso. You just put a "good dollop" of it into the bottom off the washing machine. Filled the machine 2/3 way up with hot water (not too hot but hand hot). Put clothes in and switched on.
She said she never used bleach but sometimes used Persil or Omo.
If collars were really dirty she just soaked them for longer (went out and did her shooing or went to work and left them in the machine all day)
She started out with a Hoover Twin tub, then moved to a Hotpoint Toploader Automatic which she said was fast but really hard on the clothes and damaged a lot of her favourite items which is why she got rid of it.
Then got a Bendix Autowasher and matching dryer sometime in the 1970s.
She said basically she never boiled anything at any stage other than tea towels and that was more for hygiene reasons and usually just in a large pot on the stove with dish detergent.
She said the biological powders were very good when they came out first as they just worked more reliably and you no longer had any issues with stains or collar marks.
Seems her preference was Omo, then Persil Bio or Ariel.
She currently likes Persil Small & Mighty liquid as it smells good and she finds the powders way too harsh on the clothes. Only uses them for doing her towels and bed linen (if it's white or cream).
So doesn't really sound like the laundry habits here were THAT radically different to today really other than the machines changing from top to front loading.
Self-heating laundromat washers one used in France and perhaps elsewhere on the Continent were steam fed. This makes sense as steam is one of the more efficient ways of providing heat. Hence the reason commercial laundries going back through the years to the first "steam laundries" used vapor not only for heating but perhaps to provide motive or generate electrical power.
That being said these days regulation as least in much of the United States limits who can operate boilers. Know in NYS boilers above a certain PSI require certification and or a license. To become a superintendent of a NYC building with steam heat for instance requires such certification. Ditto for running a steam locomotive (well if you could find one, *LOL*) and so forth.
Of course here in NYC buildings/businesses can purchase steam from Con Edison directly as well.
That being said these days regulation as least in much of the United States limits who can operate boilers. Know in NYS boilers above a certain PSI require certification and or a license. To become a superintendent of a NYC building with steam heat for instance requires such certification. Ditto for running a steam locomotive (well if you could find one, *LOL*) and so forth.
Of course here in NYC buildings/businesses can purchase steam from Con Edison directly as well.
@lej
If your gran had access to a semi or even fully automatic washer, then no her laundry day wouldn't have been *that* much different from our own modern times.
Am willing to bet your great-grandmother or her mother however would have a different story.
Again when automatic or even semi-auto washers came in, boiling as a routine part of washday went out. Unless you were washing really gross things, someone had been sick, perhaps nappies the mechanical action of washer along with a good dose of soap/detergent and hot water did just fine.
Some women liked busy-work so they boiled anyway because that is how they felt things should have be done. District nurse would come around and tell mothers if they had washer boiling nappies wasn't needed. Some mothers or more likely their mothers felt differently so boiling continued.
If your gran had access to a semi or even fully automatic washer, then no her laundry day wouldn't have been *that* much different from our own modern times.
Am willing to bet your great-grandmother or her mother however would have a different story.
Again when automatic or even semi-auto washers came in, boiling as a routine part of washday went out. Unless you were washing really gross things, someone had been sick, perhaps nappies the mechanical action of washer along with a good dose of soap/detergent and hot water did just fine.
Some women liked busy-work so they boiled anyway because that is how they felt things should have be done. District nurse would come around and tell mothers if they had washer boiling nappies wasn't needed. Some mothers or more likely their mothers felt differently so boiling continued.
@Laundress: Yeah, quite likely although, I still get the impression they didn't really wash all that harshly from what I've heard from my great aunt, it was a dolly and tub and a mangle (wringer).
P&G didn't seem to feature much until Ariel launched. Although, I know Tide was around.
Although, apparently even my great grandmother had some kind of non-automatic top loader, so maybe you'd have to have gone back a generation before that again to get a really manual world.
It's a pity Unilever dropped Omo in the UK and Irish markets in favour of Persil. It's actually an extremely old brand, dating back to 1908. O.M.O. = Old Mother Owl and the original packaging would have featured an owl. It seems to have finally disappeared in this market in the 1980s.
I know it's still used in other markets, but it's just a shame it vanished in the market that launched it and I've always thought it was quite nice brand.
Rinso, another extremely old brand dating back to the same era was also dropped entirely in almost all markets except Indonesia. Again, just quietly dropped in the 1970s sometime.
P&G didn't seem to feature much until Ariel launched. Although, I know Tide was around.
Although, apparently even my great grandmother had some kind of non-automatic top loader, so maybe you'd have to have gone back a generation before that again to get a really manual world.
It's a pity Unilever dropped Omo in the UK and Irish markets in favour of Persil. It's actually an extremely old brand, dating back to 1908. O.M.O. = Old Mother Owl and the original packaging would have featured an owl. It seems to have finally disappeared in this market in the 1980s.
I know it's still used in other markets, but it's just a shame it vanished in the market that launched it and I've always thought it was quite nice brand.
Rinso, another extremely old brand dating back to the same era was also dropped entirely in almost all markets except Indonesia. Again, just quietly dropped in the 1970s sometime.
OMO
From what one was given during the war could mean "Old Man Out" by certain housewives.
*LOL*
From what one was given during the war could mean "Old Man Out" by certain housewives.
*LOL*
