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Dale,
I am sure that this is not the only site that you vist that records your IP Address.....
Think about it.
It is up to you to protect your computer from hackers.
If this is all to much for you....don't sign on to any website again....then you would really be protected.
Your questions....make me question you in fact....
Brent
 
I can understand and appreciate your concerns. I once had my ebay and email accounts hi-jacked for 2 weeks in 2003. I am not a computer genius and at that time I didn't know about or care about virus or anti-spyware protection.

Yes, I was having the equivalent of unprotected sex, I was online unprotected and I got what I deserved with the only rude seller on EBAY that I have come into contact with. I day this after over 300 transactions later. He or she or IT was aweful. I learned alot, though, so I am actually thankful. I didn't loose anything, accept some sleep. Thank goodness. But the potential was there. I learned quickly the importance of having virus and anti-spyware programs running, updated regularly, constantly monitoring all sites that want to download cookies, and the importance of keeping ones computers "clean". I'm pretty good.
I'm sure there is areas I could improve.

Really, as you have said, that some of your worries are over the top.

Trying to make oneself invisible, isn't realistic. It isn't human. As it is in our virtual world where so much trust is put into the computer and the internet, some things seem unbelievable. Why make things worse.

I tend to discount people who aren't straight forward and are over protective. Either they have something to hide or, as Robert said, they are trying to commit some type of crime. In either case, these people are viewed as insecure, and I don't want to deal with people who are quivering on the inside.

As for planning a robbery based on whether someone is home by finding where they are signing in. sure one could see that. but, robbing someones house involves so many more variables. How would someone know that say Roberts mother doesn't live next door and is keeping an eye on the house, or he has a burglar alarm, or neighbors are watching.

This is just ripe too. I've had this all planned out. The first thing I want to do when moving back to the midwest is divise a way to steel ALL Roberts pride and joy.
Think, I must Think. (Stop thinking of sex, stop thinking of sex)
...What am I going to do with the machines? I don't know. Sure it will require at least a 24' moving van to obscurely park in his driveway for the better part of a day while I am loading them.
I'm sure no one will notice. (First step, get his address bingo!)

Don't let fear lead you around by the nose, as it does for so many Americans, unfortunately. Remember when it was the trend to have those little signs outside your house saying 'protected by Brinks' and maybe actually have a burglar alarm system.
This is what republicans use to pull their stunts FEAR. Fear of 9/11, fear of terrorists, fear those lib-er-als, fear the homm-ma-sec-chew-uls, fear black people and foreigners, fear aging, fear poverty, fear social rejection. Fear is marketable.
No, I'm not playing!

We all are so into our own worlds when the TRUTH is, very few people really care what you or anyone else has.
Ego too, can lead one to think that they are a God that needs protecting.
Might as well put a big sign on ones forehead saying 'f-o-o-l'. to alert people to steer clear.
Being isolated socially or physically can also lead one to fear,
the boogey man. (BOO!)
I know, I used to be one of 'those' people.

I liked it when companies advertised products because they were actually NICE. or GOOD.
I won't buy if it is going to give me a shifty eyed competitive edge.
or if it will protect me of some unknown madeup boogey man.
 
Brent

I expect EVERY website I visit to record my IP address.

The point is I do not expect a website to make it PUBLICLY
available.

(I have worked with computers for nearly 40 years. I know
how they work. I have developed and programmed them, I have
supported them, I have debugged them, I have repaired them. I
have worked with the first PCs to supercomputers. I know what
is possible and what is reasonable.)
 
washertalk

yes, all of the above. My SOLE point is that it is not
necessary to make IP addresses publicly available. There are
so many ways to become "insecure", why NEEDLESSLY add one more?
That's all I'm saying. Maybe we should all just post our
social security numbers. What's the likelihood someone is
going to take advantage of that? (Yeah, okay, more so than
an IP/street address.)

It can't be that big a deal to save the IP addresses into a
separate file that only Robert has access to and either
associate it with particular posts or posters. I'll even
write the code if he wants. My (good) email provider shows
me a log of all the logins and associated IP addresses over
a period of 2 weeks so I can monitor suspicious logins.

And in the end, if Robert (after really thinking about it)
decides he doesn't want to do it, then there's nothing I can
do about it. His decision is final. I'm just trying to put
forth the view that perhaps the way things are done now is
maybe not quite what should be done.
 
I should not have said "suspicious logins". That implies someone
was actually able to login. While they record the IP address of
logins, they also record attempted logins which occur when I type
too fast and enter the wrong password.
 
washertalk

And you want to talk about stealing machines? I was there
with my friend (who died from AIDS) and watched his tenants
moving out of his rental property. I was uncomfortable spying
on them so we left. When they left, they stole his appliances
at the same time before they left the state. I may have been
naive then, less so now.
 
My issue is with making the IP addresses available to anyone.

You are missing my point. If I make the IPs available to everyone, everyone can help me police the site which is what happened in the past. I do not have time to do it all on my own.

As for someone finding out what part of the country I am from all they have to do is look at my post, it says <font color = red> Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)</font>. They don't need my IP address for that.
 
This thread is bordering on paranoia......

It wasn't your address that was publicly available.

Robert's "Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)" means nothing - census
says there are 373,188 people in MPLS (as of 2000) - which
"1" is Robert?

I dare all of you to publicly post your home addresses here
if you think it is insignificant - or at least those who
disagree it is a potential problem in one way or another.

I am really perplexed at the resistance to making a reasonable
change. There are other ways to do what Robert seems to be
concerned about. I've already written the code, it's not a
big deal.
 
Here's mine.

Daniel Anthony Langdon
2207 18th Avenue South
Seattle, WA 98144
206.323.3162
www.danlangdon.com
[email protected]

(all readily available, I might add, in public records, readily accessible to the non tinfoil hat set.)

Now that I've done that. Let me say this: If you are not comfortable here, you always have the option of not stopping by. It sure wouldn't break my heart.
 
goprog, im sure ur a doll and im sorry this sounds so accusatory, but stop causing trouble where there is none.

chill out.

whenever i feel this site is unsafe to visit or that the Webmaster is not doing his job well i will stop visitng.
 
Personally, I don't find that IPs reveal all that much info. Unless one has bought a netblock or had one assigned by an ISP via dedicated service, such that it's registered with ARIN or other controlling organization, ownership of the IP is listed to the ISP and targeted to the source of their pipe or their home office, and the info returned on a DNS look-up is determined by what the ISP enters into their DNS records. Some might, but most ISPs, I don't think, would take the time and effort to target DNS host records to a specific customer by name or physical address. Typically DNS records are set up before IPs are even assigned to customers.

There are numerous tools for doing look-ups. Several I tried, my IPs (depending on if I'm at work or home, different ISPs) don't even report the correct city, much less a specific physical address. If anybody wants to find me, there're plenty ways to do that other than by IP.

goprog, can you tell me exactly where I am right now from my IP?
 
Not to mention

that many ISPs (including mine, Earthlink, who despite all the creepy and suspicious connections to the Church of You know What, is a great ISP --- I've been with them on and off ever since it started running on a single server sitting on the floor in founder Sky Dayton's dining room in 1994 ... there was a time when you would call Earthlink tech support and actually get Sky on the phone) -- but I digress...

Anyway, what I was saying was, many ISPs have "dynamic" I.P. addresses, meaning - basically - every time you connect to their service you get a different, and totally random I.P. address. In such cases, what really is an I.P. number going to reveal about a user, unless some law enforcement agency (or the Men In Black) get a search warrant to seize the ISP's login records??

I agree this is "much ado about nothing." Better you should worry about things like the upcoming "smart ID card" where your entire life will be contained on a piece of plastic.

 
This is getting rediculous and you are just plain INCORRECT

I've already written the code
Excuse me but I spent MONTHS writing the code to get the Discuss-o-Mat section of aw.org operating. Not days, not weeks, but months. You cannot have written any code that would work when you don't even know what language the website is written in or what the server can compile. Sure you can write some arbitrary code that records ip address in a separate place, but then you have to integrate it properly in the main program, and it's not that easy. Also how many times do I have to tell you that I want the IP's visible so anyone who wishes to help me take care of the site can do so.

But more importantly, you are being completely PARANOID and in doing so you are passing misinformation. The idea of the government showing up on my doorstep and seizing the computer to the Super Unimatic is out of a comdey routine. All this information is stored on a server in California, not here on my home computer. When you first joined and I saw we were from the same state so I asked where you are from and you responded "Twin Cites". So I tried again and asked you where in the metro are you from and you responded "South West Suburbs". By not telling me what suburb you lived in I knew then and there you were nervous about something. Remember not only do so many of use share each others address and phone numbers here with each other, we've been to each others houses.

So now like Glenn and others above I'm going to put a stop to your passing misinformation right now. Let me make this quite clear to everyone:

WITHOUT A COURT ORDER THERE IS NO WAY TO FIND OUT THE ACTUAL ORIGINATING NAME OF THE PERSON AND STREET ADDRESS OF AN IP. I USE IP ADDRESSES OR THE FIRST FEW DIGITS OF AN IP ADDRESS ON VERY RARE OCCASSIONS TO BLOCK USERS WHO FOR WHAT EVER REASON ARE MISBEAHVING, THAT IS IT.
 
And now that Robert has said it, why don't we all drop it because it's not going to change. If you don't feel "safe" here, then don't come here. You really are being ridiculously paranoid, as if you have something to hide or be afraid of (not that you do, but....).
 
Thank you Jeezus

Wow, what i'm so surprised about is that someone thought he had a bone to pick and everyone jumped on the band wagon. why? As i see it there is no need for for anyone to be "paranoid" when you sign up to be part of an online community. If it bothers you that much then don't do it. plain and simple.......If there is a problem then report it and let the webmaster deal with whomever is causing problems. Just my two cents worth......Mark
 

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