Replacement for commercial cascade
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tennblondie78
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Bubble Bandit is a good one that contains phosphates. Cascade has come out with a new "Fryer Boil Out" that is essentially the exact same thing as the old commercial Cascade, but under a different name... Google it and you will see. 
gmmcnair
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I have been tempted to try the Bubble Bandit, but I get good results in my water with Cascade Complete powder. Has anyone compared the two?
mich
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Yeah...
As, I posted in another thread, Commercial Cascade "Fryer Boil Out" should be the same formula as Cascade Professional, since it contains the same ingredients.
As, I posted in another thread, Commercial Cascade "Fryer Boil Out" should be the same formula as Cascade Professional, since it contains the same ingredients.
Yeah I saw that the crazy question is if it's used for fryer cleaning why not just use commercial Cascade in the fryer?
Funny on the Q&A site they have a question just like that but using boil out in a DW.. as you know they say NO it can't be used but we all know why that is..
Funny on the Q&A site they have a question just like that but using boil out in a DW.. as you know they say NO it can't be used but we all know why that is..
I plan on ordering a case of the small packages (I think it's six 20 oz. boxes) of Cascade Fryer Boil Out the next time I do a Sysco order at church. I will report on my findings…..
kenmoreguy89
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I hope the fryer boil out is the answer, apparently as Mich pointed out time before it is a new product, came out as soon as commercial cascade had been withdrawn... Coincidence? Same ingredients? two coincidences totally worth the risk of trying that and hoping is the old good cacade "coverage".
mich
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Do you happen to know..
what acid is listed, or, can you point me to where it is listed?
The Thing is.. the formula for the "fryer boil out* & *cascade institutional* both contain a Chlorine Additive, that breaks down into Chlorine Bleach. And when Chlorine reacts with Acids.. it releases a dangerous gas called "chlorine or mustard gas".
If they did place an acid in the product, there would be quite a horrible reaction, imo. Although, I can't seem to find a acid listed in the "Material Safety Data Sheet" or MSDS (where it would be listed).
As for Chlorine. It does seem to be safe, for use on stainless steel.
what acid is listed, or, can you point me to where it is listed?
The Thing is.. the formula for the "fryer boil out* & *cascade institutional* both contain a Chlorine Additive, that breaks down into Chlorine Bleach. And when Chlorine reacts with Acids.. it releases a dangerous gas called "chlorine or mustard gas".
If they did place an acid in the product, there would be quite a horrible reaction, imo. Although, I can't seem to find a acid listed in the "Material Safety Data Sheet" or MSDS (where it would be listed).
As for Chlorine. It does seem to be safe, for use on stainless steel.
Institutional Finish
From Ecolab would be a good alternative. Although if the dishmachine is used with any regularity, it would be wise to just have Ecolab hook up a chemical injection system to it.
WK78
From Ecolab would be a good alternative. Although if the dishmachine is used with any regularity, it would be wise to just have Ecolab hook up a chemical injection system to it.
WK78
I'm looking at a box of it right now and can't see any acid listed. Only 6 ingredients:
1. Sodium carbonate (washing soda, alkalinity builder)
2. <span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">tripolypentasodium</span> phosphate (STTP or phosphates)
3. sodium sulfate (filler)
4. sodium silicate (alkalinity builder)
5. sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate (source of chlorine)
6. water
1. Sodium carbonate (washing soda, alkalinity builder)
2. <span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">tripolypentasodium</span> phosphate (STTP or phosphates)
3. sodium sulfate (filler)
4. sodium silicate (alkalinity builder)
5. sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate (source of chlorine)
6. water
mich
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I'm pretty sure..
Ecolab Institutional Finish.. is now formulated as Phosphorus Free. I'm sure it performs well... but, probably not as well as the old formula.
Ecolab Institutional Finish.. is now formulated as Phosphorus Free. I'm sure it performs well... but, probably not as well as the old formula.
mark_wpduet
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I'm on my last boy of institutional Cascade
And I don't think it's ALL that it's cracked up to be. Overall it does a good job, but the other week when I got a sample of Finish Powerball, the Finish Powerball did a better job and I have hard water.
And I don't think it's ALL that it's cracked up to be. Overall it does a good job, but the other week when I got a sample of Finish Powerball, the Finish Powerball did a better job and I have hard water.
mark_wpduet
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Box
What are you washing in?
I find that it matters somewhat less what I use in my 2002 Kenmore Ultra-Wash compared to my 1969 KDS-16.
Because of the relatively short main wash time in the Kitchenaid (6 mintes) my first box of Cascade institutional was a REVELATION. I had long given up on enzyme based detergents for that machine and the chlorine-based gels worked better, but nothing like institutional Cascade.
In the Ultra-Wash I get good results using enzyme based powders since the main wash is 24 minutes long and that gives the enzymes enough time to "do their thing."
I find that it matters somewhat less what I use in my 2002 Kenmore Ultra-Wash compared to my 1969 KDS-16.
Because of the relatively short main wash time in the Kitchenaid (6 mintes) my first box of Cascade institutional was a REVELATION. I had long given up on enzyme based detergents for that machine and the chlorine-based gels worked better, but nothing like institutional Cascade.
In the Ultra-Wash I get good results using enzyme based powders since the main wash is 24 minutes long and that gives the enzymes enough time to "do their thing."
mich
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That's...
Mr.Muscle, and is a completely different product, from a different company. That is a fryer cleaning product, manufactored by a private company called "Johnson Diversy" which does make good products, but.. I wouldn't reccomand trying there product as a replacement for Cascade Professional.
Cascade is made by Procter & Gamble. If you would like, there is a MSDS listed for your viewing.. in my thread
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?52631
Mr.Muscle, and is a completely different product, from a different company. That is a fryer cleaning product, manufactored by a private company called "Johnson Diversy" which does make good products, but.. I wouldn't reccomand trying there product as a replacement for Cascade Professional.
Cascade is made by Procter & Gamble. If you would like, there is a MSDS listed for your viewing.. in my thread
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?52631
mich
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Yeah..
Cascade Instutional/Professional & Cascade Fryer Boil Out, are both powder products
Cascade Instutional/Professional & Cascade Fryer Boil Out, are both powder products
mich
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I'm sure you'll...
Love it. The Cascade Professional, is a very good formula.
I personally think, Bubble Bandit, could be a very good product too. I mean, the formulation for it seems good.. however at $17-$20 a 3.5lb bag (keep in mind, a 4lb box of Cascade with Phosphates used to only cost $3-5) it's simply, too costly for everyday use.
I actually did a calculation a while ago, and figured out, at 60 loads a bag, its .28 cents a load. That's even more than Finish Quantum, and from what I understand, Quantum actually preforms better according to fellow members.
I have heard nothing but good things about BB. I just don't think, it's practical enough for me, to use as a everyday detergent.
Love it. The Cascade Professional, is a very good formula.
I personally think, Bubble Bandit, could be a very good product too. I mean, the formulation for it seems good.. however at $17-$20 a 3.5lb bag (keep in mind, a 4lb box of Cascade with Phosphates used to only cost $3-5) it's simply, too costly for everyday use.
I actually did a calculation a while ago, and figured out, at 60 loads a bag, its .28 cents a load. That's even more than Finish Quantum, and from what I understand, Quantum actually preforms better according to fellow members.
I have heard nothing but good things about BB. I just don't think, it's practical enough for me, to use as a everyday detergent.
Well the other dosmestic dishwasher does not have a heater so I have to preheat the water first, which takes almost 4 min to get lukewarm water up to the sink.. after I did that and used some old sunlight that had phosphates it did a better job of cleaning the dishes then the gel costco brand.
mich
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Hey Mike..
Would you mind posting pics of your Kirkland Signature bottle, the front & back?
I'd like to see the formula it contains.
Would you mind posting pics of your Kirkland Signature bottle, the front & back?
I'd like to see the formula it contains.
launderess
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Years ago now when Consumer Reports tested the new enzyme offerings from Cascade and Electrasol they blew old chlorine bleach formulas out of the water. So much so they have remained top choices and have come to dominate domestic dishwasher detergent sales.
That being said again domestic dishwashers already had long cycles for years now, and they have only increased in length to accommodate low water/energy mandates.
On the other side of the field you have commercial/institutional products that pretty much are what domestic detergents used to be: very to highly caustic products with chlorine bleach. These are designed for hot to very hot water (140F to near 160F) water temperatures with spray forces that can scrub rust off metal.
Many American housewives were not sorry to see chlorine based products go as the wafting scent of bleach for some of us was more than we could bear.
Interestingly enough when one would open the DW to add something during the first wash on "Normal" much of the muck was already gone. The second long cycle with it's heated wash removed the more stuck on bits and residue.
That being said again domestic dishwashers already had long cycles for years now, and they have only increased in length to accommodate low water/energy mandates.
On the other side of the field you have commercial/institutional products that pretty much are what domestic detergents used to be: very to highly caustic products with chlorine bleach. These are designed for hot to very hot water (140F to near 160F) water temperatures with spray forces that can scrub rust off metal.
Many American housewives were not sorry to see chlorine based products go as the wafting scent of bleach for some of us was more than we could bear.
Interestingly enough when one would open the DW to add something during the first wash on "Normal" much of the muck was already gone. The second long cycle with it's heated wash removed the more stuck on bits and residue.
mich
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Laundress
Do you actually fill the pre-wash cup in your dishwasher?
Do you actually fill the pre-wash cup in your dishwasher?
Suds, suds and more suds
I have a Bosch DW only about 1 month old. I got a box of Cascade fryer boil out and added it to the dispenser door and proceeded to run the machine. When it was getting close to being done with the rinse I checked and OMG the suds!! On further inspection the detergent was a blob in the open detergent door, thank goodness the whole DW prob would have been filled with suds. So I got out what I could and skimmed off the suds. I then shut the door so it could continue I checked a little while later and still a lot of suds. I had to run the DW 3x. The next wash I ONLY put 1 teaspoon and still a lot of suds and again it was a wet clump in the open dispenser door. Also with the excessive suds it makes the DW sound very loud and it's normally a very quiet machine. I'm gonna try 1/2 teaspoon next time but does anyone have any suggestions on what could be going on? Thanks
I have a Bosch DW only about 1 month old. I got a box of Cascade fryer boil out and added it to the dispenser door and proceeded to run the machine. When it was getting close to being done with the rinse I checked and OMG the suds!! On further inspection the detergent was a blob in the open detergent door, thank goodness the whole DW prob would have been filled with suds. So I got out what I could and skimmed off the suds. I then shut the door so it could continue I checked a little while later and still a lot of suds. I had to run the DW 3x. The next wash I ONLY put 1 teaspoon and still a lot of suds and again it was a wet clump in the open dispenser door. Also with the excessive suds it makes the DW sound very loud and it's normally a very quiet machine. I'm gonna try 1/2 teaspoon next time but does anyone have any suggestions on what could be going on? Thanks
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