Replacement for commercial cascade
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tennblondie78
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Bubble Bandit is a good one that contains phosphates. Cascade has come out with a new "Fryer Boil Out" that is essentially the exact same thing as the old commercial Cascade, but under a different name... Google it and you will see. 
gmmcnair
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I have been tempted to try the Bubble Bandit, but I get good results in my water with Cascade Complete powder. Has anyone compared the two?
mich
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Yeah...
As, I posted in another thread, Commercial Cascade "Fryer Boil Out" should be the same formula as Cascade Professional, since it contains the same ingredients.
As, I posted in another thread, Commercial Cascade "Fryer Boil Out" should be the same formula as Cascade Professional, since it contains the same ingredients.
Yeah I saw that the crazy question is if it's used for fryer cleaning why not just use commercial Cascade in the fryer?
Funny on the Q&A site they have a question just like that but using boil out in a DW.. as you know they say NO it can't be used but we all know why that is..
Funny on the Q&A site they have a question just like that but using boil out in a DW.. as you know they say NO it can't be used but we all know why that is..
I plan on ordering a case of the small packages (I think it's six 20 oz. boxes) of Cascade Fryer Boil Out the next time I do a Sysco order at church. I will report on my findings…..
kenmoreguy89
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I hope the fryer boil out is the answer, apparently as Mich pointed out time before it is a new product, came out as soon as commercial cascade had been withdrawn... Coincidence? Same ingredients? two coincidences totally worth the risk of trying that and hoping is the old good cacade "coverage".
mich
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Do you happen to know..
what acid is listed, or, can you point me to where it is listed?
The Thing is.. the formula for the "fryer boil out* & *cascade institutional* both contain a Chlorine Additive, that breaks down into Chlorine Bleach. And when Chlorine reacts with Acids.. it releases a dangerous gas called "chlorine or mustard gas".
If they did place an acid in the product, there would be quite a horrible reaction, imo. Although, I can't seem to find a acid listed in the "Material Safety Data Sheet" or MSDS (where it would be listed).
As for Chlorine. It does seem to be safe, for use on stainless steel.
what acid is listed, or, can you point me to where it is listed?
The Thing is.. the formula for the "fryer boil out* & *cascade institutional* both contain a Chlorine Additive, that breaks down into Chlorine Bleach. And when Chlorine reacts with Acids.. it releases a dangerous gas called "chlorine or mustard gas".
If they did place an acid in the product, there would be quite a horrible reaction, imo. Although, I can't seem to find a acid listed in the "Material Safety Data Sheet" or MSDS (where it would be listed).
As for Chlorine. It does seem to be safe, for use on stainless steel.
Institutional Finish
From Ecolab would be a good alternative. Although if the dishmachine is used with any regularity, it would be wise to just have Ecolab hook up a chemical injection system to it.
WK78
From Ecolab would be a good alternative. Although if the dishmachine is used with any regularity, it would be wise to just have Ecolab hook up a chemical injection system to it.
WK78
I'm looking at a box of it right now and can't see any acid listed. Only 6 ingredients:
1. Sodium carbonate (washing soda, alkalinity builder)
2. <span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">tripolypentasodium</span> phosphate (STTP or phosphates)
3. sodium sulfate (filler)
4. sodium silicate (alkalinity builder)
5. sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate (source of chlorine)
6. water
1. Sodium carbonate (washing soda, alkalinity builder)
2. <span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times;">tripolypentasodium</span> phosphate (STTP or phosphates)
3. sodium sulfate (filler)
4. sodium silicate (alkalinity builder)
5. sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate (source of chlorine)
6. water
mich
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I'm pretty sure..
Ecolab Institutional Finish.. is now formulated as Phosphorus Free. I'm sure it performs well... but, probably not as well as the old formula.
Ecolab Institutional Finish.. is now formulated as Phosphorus Free. I'm sure it performs well... but, probably not as well as the old formula.
mark_wpduet
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I'm on my last boy of institutional Cascade
And I don't think it's ALL that it's cracked up to be. Overall it does a good job, but the other week when I got a sample of Finish Powerball, the Finish Powerball did a better job and I have hard water.
And I don't think it's ALL that it's cracked up to be. Overall it does a good job, but the other week when I got a sample of Finish Powerball, the Finish Powerball did a better job and I have hard water.
mark_wpduet
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Box
What are you washing in?
I find that it matters somewhat less what I use in my 2002 Kenmore Ultra-Wash compared to my 1969 KDS-16.
Because of the relatively short main wash time in the Kitchenaid (6 mintes) my first box of Cascade institutional was a REVELATION. I had long given up on enzyme based detergents for that machine and the chlorine-based gels worked better, but nothing like institutional Cascade.
In the Ultra-Wash I get good results using enzyme based powders since the main wash is 24 minutes long and that gives the enzymes enough time to "do their thing."
I find that it matters somewhat less what I use in my 2002 Kenmore Ultra-Wash compared to my 1969 KDS-16.
Because of the relatively short main wash time in the Kitchenaid (6 mintes) my first box of Cascade institutional was a REVELATION. I had long given up on enzyme based detergents for that machine and the chlorine-based gels worked better, but nothing like institutional Cascade.
In the Ultra-Wash I get good results using enzyme based powders since the main wash is 24 minutes long and that gives the enzymes enough time to "do their thing."
mich
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That's...
Mr.Muscle, and is a completely different product, from a different company. That is a fryer cleaning product, manufactored by a private company called "Johnson Diversy" which does make good products, but.. I wouldn't reccomand trying there product as a replacement for Cascade Professional.
Cascade is made by Procter & Gamble. If you would like, there is a MSDS listed for your viewing.. in my thread
www.automaticwasher.org
Mr.Muscle, and is a completely different product, from a different company. That is a fryer cleaning product, manufactored by a private company called "Johnson Diversy" which does make good products, but.. I wouldn't reccomand trying there product as a replacement for Cascade Professional.
Cascade is made by Procter & Gamble. If you would like, there is a MSDS listed for your viewing.. in my thread
You know what's really, really intresting?
Back in August of 2013, when Cascade Institutional (a formula geared towards Food Service use, and phosphate laden) was discontinued, a new product, came out from nowhere. Cascade "Professional" Fryer Boil Out - And what really strikes me, is the formula for this *new* product. For...
www.automaticwasher.org
