Republican or Democrat on Nov 7th?

[frigilux]

I used to think that was probably the case too, Mike, but now I put him firmly in the 'dim' column. I think Rove figured out years ago he could 'sell' Bush's folksy personality to a large segment of the population. Getting Cheney (the policy/idea man) involved was all it took to go national.

The truly frightening thing is someone CAN be that dim and still pull off being the 'leader of the free world'. Maybe the real question should be "How gullible is the American voting public?"

 

[retromom]

If only it were that simple.....

So the Dems get a majority of the House and Senate and pull us out of Iraq...then what? Do we all go back to our happy households and proceed with our laundry duties? Hardly.

I think that there is abundant proof that dangerous enemies to America and its freedom are lying in wait for the perfect opportunity to launch an attack. I am disgusted with the bungled policies that the Bush administration has pursued in Iraq, but leaving the territory only allows the void to be filled with those that seek to take over the Middle East and eventually attempt to destroy the US economically and/or physically.

I think transparency during a war is a big mistake. Believe me, there are things you don't want to know or shouldn't know. This administration has learned from Lyndon Johnson's attempts at transparency during the Viet Nam War. It may be the only thing they've learned.

Regardless of who gets elected, hard decisions are going to have to be made about how we deal with fundamentalists, terrorists, and nuclear proliferation before we can even attempt to address domestic policy. If we don't address these issues, domestic policy may be a moot point.

 

[oxydolfan1]

I don't believe Bush, or any of them, are stupid.

They just spew out the lines they are trained to recite.

Versatronic, I have no idea what will happen next. I don't have a copy of their ongoing blueprint for this nation's destruction!

In fact, I just had a call from Bill Clinton, and he didn't seem to know either, lol!

My question regarding why the US government has suddenly felt it necessary to establish concentration camps, for ANYONE, remains unanswered. Why? I don't sit up nights wringing my hands over these things, but the questions that so-called conspiracy theorists do bring up ARE good questions.

Versatronic, I've met enough kindred spirits on this board to convince me irrevocably that I have indeed found a pleasant place to post! I've never allowed any negators to undermine my search for truth and justice, and I made it to forty-one on Saturday, so I must be doing something right!

The presidency is simply too far in the future to speculate definitively on. If the two, horribly flawed candidates being floated around right now are the nominees, obviously I'll vote Hillary over McCain, but I'll hold out hope that better choices assert themselves in performance over the next few months.

If Hitler's rise to power would have been derailed a few years after he assumed power, no one would have been discussing the merits of what party could have been the one to do so. They would have been used as a means to an end.

And Bush is far worse than Hitler, that much we know.

We can't even approximate what the Bush Crime Family has done to us, until the dust settles.

 

[oxydolfan1]

I disagree, retromom.

I'm not threatened by "Islamofascists" in my day-to-day life.

If one lives in Dearborn or Hamtranck, maybe.

Right now, the United States HAS no foreign policy.

It's go along, or we invade, rape, torture, and kill.

And this is what BREEDS future terrorism. Do you blame them?

I really don't, and I don't intend to live in a spirit of fear.

Where is the transparency, if the invasion of Iraq was based on a lie? After you understand that, doesn't what has been done to you sort of all fall into place?

 

[retromom]

Oxydolfan1

"I'm not threatened by "Islamofascists" in my day-to-day life."

It's alright dear, we'll let you know when it's ok to take your head out of the sand.

 

[mickeyd]

the blood bath begins

in nine hours and nine minutes Eastern Standard Time.

I hope and pray to God with all my heart and on my knees that when these agents of Satan are routed from office, their remnants do not precipitate another attack on America, complicit as they were in the last one.

I love you all. You are not the enemy. You are not orchestrating murder and madness; elected officials are. If God truly exists, we will see His hand in history tomorrow. If not, I am asking Samantha to tweak his nose and turn me into an Apex Bouncing Basket because I'd rather be a happy machine in his basememt than a demoralized man witnessing the apocalypse.

God, You better bless America tomorrow.

Love,

Michael

 

[oxydolfan1]

Retromom,

I know, I know.....oldwasherguy already yelled at me, lol!

 

[oxydolfan1]

Michael, the enemy is just itching to get Iran happening.

They cannot focus on anything else....no safety, no security, no financial accountability....

It used to be all about oil.

Now it's all about murder, and power.

 

[mickeyd]

When I realized

that they control the media, the gas prices, AND THE STOCK MARKET, not to mention the Iraqi Courts, all manipulated just before the election, I knew the future looked grim.

Only American comedy is still free--and of course all the arts.

Imagine, we hope John Stewart and Colbert run for office. Our only hope is in our comedians. It's so funny. We have to watch Comedy Central to find out the truth. Maybe Cartman will replace Rumsfeld and the South Park Kids will be our next Cabinet.

 

[westytoploader]

...And the moment of truth is tomorrow!

 

[oxydolfan1]

Unless, of course, there are "irregularities".....

Seriously, I'd be very surprised if we knew by tomorrow night.

 

[rickr]

Where is Bin Ladin? Don't hear anything about him at all anymore. Bush did mention him today. Heard it on the radio. Bush said that Bin Ladin wants the American people to vote for the democrats. I just wondered.... If Bush knows who Bin Ladin wants us to vote for, how come Bush doesn't know where Bin Ladin is???

Guess Bush has bigger fish to fry.... In OIL

 

[rickr]

Am going to vote on the way to work tomorrow. Not too worried if we don't win however. I figure if we don't get em in 06, we'll get em in 08. Might even be better that way. No one else to blame for the never ending mess we are in. If the democrats win even one branch, team Bush will figure out a way to blame everything on our side.

So I still figure either way is a win-win situation for the democrats.

 

[washertalk]

As far as "rooting out terrorism"

There has always been and will always be the possibility that something devastating will happen at any potential time, either here or abroad.

Wether it is a catastophic hurricane, a kid bringing a gun to school and killing a dozen class mates, or someone setting off a bomb somewhere. That is reality. It ain't pretty and we need to do everything to discourage the kind of hatred and misunderstanding that produces "explosive" situations.

But it will happen, maybe not next week, maybe not next year, but it will happen!

One is lying to themselves if they think some magic policy is going to 'make everything better'. That is delusional thinking.
and lets face it, in America, especially in the past, our society encourages that. And it doesn't matter at what wrung of the socio-economic ladder you are on in America, there is a delusion 'Just for you'.

repubs have tried to imply that They have that magic wand to 'make everything better'. lol. right.
I would like to hear public figure simply stand up and just say the truth. Ah, but, how much money has been made by encouraging fear and saying BOOO! No sale, dick cheney.

Our resources can be much better spent enducating people on how to get along and be respectful. It may not be as much fun? but it would allow for a much happier and stable America.

 

[dalangdon]

I look at the Iraq situation this way: We won the war, but we lost the occupation.

And it just stands to reason - I may have problems with this administration, but if some country chose to invade us, I would be out there with my can of gasoline and my baseball bat, fighting whoever it was that decided to invade us, side by side with my Republican neighbor. Just like the Iraqis are doing.

That's what we are in Iraq: the occupier. the only thing we can do that will lead to peace is for us to leave.

IMO, the thing that wrecked Iraq was the war profiteering, and the lack of a post-war plan. Unlike other wars, Congress didn't do the oversight necessary to assure that the corporations weren't fleecing us and ignoring their duties. The military did their job, but the Congress - and by extension, us - failed miserably. We let them down. That, more than any partisan reason, is why we need change.

 

[oxydolfan1]

Why can't I get over this fascination for Kinky Friedman??

 

[frigilux]

rickr-- I'm with you. I'd like to see Dems win both houses of Congress, but if they don't, I'm not going to cry. It will give the rest of the country another 2 years to wake up to their bad policies, both at home and globally.

I'm amazed that the general public gets inflamed by Kerry's botched joke (the actual text read "...and if you don't, you'll wind up getting us into Iraq") but there's no anger at Bush's joke about not finding WMD in Iraq ("Are they here? Nope. None here. Are they over there? Nope. None there.") when that decision wound up costing hundreds of billions of dollars and over 2,800 US troops' lives to date.

Think of how high those numbers will be a year from now. Two years from now.

 

[Versatronic]

Oxydol

I can't even begin to process all your condradictions. So I won't even try. But I do think that we're going to have to hand out tin foil hats to the new crop of members here. As sort of a house-warming gift.

 

[Versatronic]

Oh, one last thing

I have actually become very fond of you during the course of our discussion and now consider you a friend. So I want to tip you off to something. When you vote today, vote fast and get out of the booth as quickly as possible. If it's a Diebold machine, the Repugs have it rigged. When you hit the straight D button, a microwave is emitted that will sterilize you. If you stand there long enough, it can even cook your internal organs. So, be careful and good luck.

 

[oxydolfan1]

Versatronic

Good!

They gleam beautifully, and they say sunlight is the best disinfectant!

Just remember not to turn your nose up-it blocks the light!

Yours in moonbattery,

Scotty
Lady-In-Waiting

 

[Versatronic]

Whew

Thank God I caught you in time. I'll check in tomorrow morning for the wrap-up.

 

[Bearpeter]

Politics on here?


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why bring it on here?

 

[oxydolfan1]

It's just one of two political threads on the forum, and this is a big deal for some of us over here!

 

[Bearpeter]

i am sure it is....

It's a big deal for some of us over here considering the close ties our 2 countries have at the moment but personally feel that it shouldn't be on here. Saying that, I m now adding to this thread!!!! Whats a person to do????

 

[sudsdudeshane]

Countdown to Dem Victory

As Barbra Steisand would sing.........."Happy Days are here Again"

 

[gansky1]

Vers, I'm glad you're part of this discussion and it's nice to see some of your own opinions (even though opinions may have a bad rep!)

I believe in getting the facts, unfortunately, getting down the just the facts is nearly impossible in todays overfed media world. I've offered some of these articles to either reinforce the opinions of myself and others, an eloquently written piece sometimes can communicate ideas and concepts much more effectively than a disconnected, unorganized rant or, to broaden the reality of those who present their opinions as fact.

These have been a healthy few threads in a very super-charged time for our country and I think it's good that a group of friends can have a healthy discussion about current affairs even if it is little or very far outside the realm of our hobby interests. You are correct that most people won't change their minds or their votes, if anything it polarizes them further to the extreme sides of their views. Democracy is all about communication and debating the issues, so whether everyone agrees with these threads being on this board or not, we can say we have at least done our part to uphold the ideals of our forefathers!

 

[oxydolfan1]

I think it's great that there are so many bright people here!

 

[rp2813]

Regarding Manipulation, etc

I don't think it's Bush's people manipulating oil prices or the stock market in advance of the election. The powers that be in the oil biz and the world of finance favor the Bush agenda so they are likely working this manipulative game without any participation from the Bush team.

When it comes to Bush doing the manipulating, that's where I have to ask the question, does anybody think Ken Lay is really dead and not enjoying life on a tropical island somewhere? I smell a rat . . . er . . . a lame duck president.

 

[washertalk]

robocalling.

I've heard about republicans desperate attempts to discourage voters by calling people early in the morning and claim to be representing a Democratic Representative. Then hang up and call back 5 or 6 times and say the same thing and hang up. This in hopes people will hopefully get angry at that rep and not vote.

Desperate graspy republicans voter fraud.

 

[jmirawm]

I enjoy reading others opinions

I also enjoy the posting of the articles, I do not take the time to look these up on the internet. It is intereting to see where people are at politically. <p> I am all giddy about going to vote this afternoon and seeing the outcome.<p> ALL I can say is that election coverage had better NOT cut into Dancing with the Stars ! I have to have my Mario and Joey fix for the week! LOL!