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Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil. When the suds broke down, the soap solution was finished for cleaning and whether it was fabrics or dishes, the soil and grease were no longer going to be removed and the grease came floating to the top.

We know that is not the same for detergents. My father would demonstrate this for kitchen workers by filling a sink with hot water then, after he had shut off the water, adding enough liquid hand dishwashing detergent for the proper concentration without creating a bubble. Then he would take a pot where grease has been been allowed to bake onto the outside because people had only washed the inside. He would immerse it in the water with one hand and in his other hand he held a green 3M scrubbing pad with which he would scrub the outside. He would not scrub the entire pan clean, just a portion of it. He would then lift it out of the sudsless water with a portion of the aluminum shining bright and rinse it off. People who were raised on using soap did not understand how modern detergents could clean without suds (I remember hearing gasps of "magic") and frankly, I don't know that they were convinced, but he did it in the presence of the manager so there would be no talk of how the detergent did not clean because the suds were not billowing out of the sink.

So please be careful to make the distinction between soap and detergents and old style detergents with foaming surfactants and non-foaming ones. Having a frontloader go into spin and sudslock with an HE detergent in a load of towels should be the acid test between regular detergents and Rosalie's. BTW, who is Rosalie?
 
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Jon says: Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"

Please note that it should read "ZERO SUDS! = CLEAN DUDS!" instead. For a very large number of people (computer professionals mostly, but almost any science geek that deals with computer programming, like physicists, chemists, engineers etc) your original copy reads "zero suds not equal clean duds" instead of "zero suds equals clean duds", because a large number of computer languages uses "!" as "not" so "!=" is "not equal".

Just saying. Because we desperately need a detergent with no suds, and nothing should stand on the way to its success!
 
Tom and Paul

both Excellent points thank you!
"Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil."

That actually is going to be part of the basis of the commercial, the other part will be a short discourse that any suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric. Rosalie's ( my mother's namesake) forces all the surfactant to stay in solution for maximum cleaning effect by preventing surfactant combing with air.

Paul- Thank you for the information about the "!" mark , I did not know it was used that way! You should come over for a visit and I'll give you some to try!!

Jon
 
Jugendstil is also called "Art Nouveau" and I *think* this is the right term to describe the old P&G logo, but might be wrong.

I was talking about the beautiful old logo with the moon and the stars.
Just Google "P&G" logo, I don`t dare to post one after all this copyright discussion recently.
 
The P&G logo

Not to mention all of the xtianists who claimed it had satanic connotations.

"Help, my washer is possessed! It's glowing different colors! It must be that damned Tide."

"Lady, that's just the tub light and the germicidal light."
 
"suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric."

So the Bendix Economat with "Undertow washing action" which pulled the suds down into the water was making better use of surfactant than washers that let suds rise to the top of the water! Amazing. Although it operated at a higher speed than the Maytag Gyrator, I would love to see the Bendix perforated agitator operate in a Maytag and vice-versa. Unnatural couplings? The washing action that dare not speak its name?

Jon, can you elaborate on your reference about fogging your house with surfactant streaming in the basement?
 
Stefan

Now I understand what you mean. Thank you , yes I do like that old logo. Its sort of what we call a 'block print" here. Cut from a solid medium and is imprinted in one color.

Tom the story goes as such.
One step in making the detergent is to heat a chemical from a paste state to a liquid state and then spray or adsorb it onto a powder. Well I had the powder tumbling in the cement mixer in February inside the basement because it was VERY cold outdoors! As I started to spray, billows of white fog proceeded to issue from the mixer. I decided to stop and put on my gas mask , goggles, and ear plugs and open the basement door for fresh air. Then I continued spraying into the barrel mixer, which took about 45 minutes. By that time the whole basement was a white fog. I finished and headed upstairs.

What I had forgotten was I had left the door to the basement open! So all the air coming in from the outside door was being ushered up the stairs into the house! When I got the top of the stairs the entire first floor was one big white FOG! And Artey was hanging over the couch gasping for air!
I rushed to throw him outside and opened every door and window I could find, then I turned on all the ceiling fans as well. It took hours to bring the house back up to temperature
Then I found as I wiped surfaces and walls that I was actually cleaning the house!
So in the end Artey survived, the house was clean and full of fresh air!

Now all spraying is done outside regardless of temperature!
 
Thank you

Oh, That's like the drying tower operation we saw when we visited one of the companies daddy represented. The solution was sprayed in at the top and by the time it fell through the air, it was powder. They went several stories up through the plant. We also saw huge cylinders with turning blades on a center shaft like ice cream freezers or cement mixers (except vertical) where they mixed the various formulas.

So the detergent's name is a way to immortalize your mother's name. What a fine way to do it with something that really means a great deal to you by improving life or improving life through laundry. Such a fine son.
 
This no suds detergent sounds great, cant wait until it is available to try some.

We use a top loader here, I'm curious to see how it will stand up to our well water that is very hard with lime.

The scents even sound pretty good as well. Would you be branching out into more scnts in time? I'd love to see a lilac scent for laundering linens
 
This is a very interesting thread. I feel like the only one without an advanced chemistry degree.

I have one thought of fragrance. The ONE thing that Mrs. Meyers cleansers (which I think don't work at all) does well, is fragrance. AFTER I clean with the comet and bon ami and tide etc etc... I go over everything with Mrs. Meyers Basil... for the sent. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Wrong Louis

My whiteys are brilliant after a year and half of Rosalie's. And lucky me I have the ability to test it in 60 years worth of machines so its had its run through evry kind of machine!

That's a myth you need OBA's and did you know the molecule actually bonds to your skin for years???

I would never include OBA's in my formula.

Badgerdx we did a lot of testing with Mrs. Meyers, it doesn't work well and sudses like crazy in a HE3T machine. But they do have their scents DOWN pat! I agree.
 
It seems to me that some of the best colour detergents can keep whites much whiter after repeated washings than the worst "normal" detergents with bleaching and OBA`s if dirt redepositing does not work well.
Oxygen bleach is certainly good to improve laundry hygiene at lower temperatures and to tackle certain stains but in my opinion totally overrated for keeping whites white.
Well done to keep those nasty OBA`s out of the formula !
 
Woo hoo!!! Sign me up!!!! One of my biggest pet peeves with washing machines is their rinsing ability! I always wondered how the wash could be totally suds free and then the rinse has an inch of suds! 

 

This is totally awesome!!!!
 
Stan See "E. Smulders"

"Laundry Detergents" Pub Wiley-Vch. Verlag GmbH, Weinheim 2002.

The chemicals of the OBA's are all based on anionic diaminostilbene and distyrylbiphenyl derivatives.
"They do not biodegrade easily in primary digesters as they have a high affinity for textile fibers and sewage sludges" But I have seen text speaking of high affinity for skin molecules as well.
 
If you want to know what old Dash smelled like, get a box of original Tide with Bleach and take a whiff. When Tide with Bleach came out, P&G simply pulled the card for the old Dash formula, added some O3 and blue speckles, IMHO. This was before the advent of  "HE" detergents and I noticed immediately that it had what P & G used to call "controlled sudsing". They even promoted it back then on a product card they sent me as being a low-sudsing detergent. I was using a Filter-Flo back then and they always need low sudsing deterents. I'll try to find that card but don't hold your breaths.It's still my favorite detergent, I want to try Persil but I'm afraid, if I like it, it's too expensive for someone like me who's spending over 9K a year on health insurance.
 
Eeuuuw Stefan

thank you. I know I would never use them. They just mask a problem anyway. Either your product CLEANS or it doesn't!

Good luck Tom let us know what you find. Baja will check out the powdered formula Tide w/Bleach today!
I know it can't be identical to Dash but I bet it doesn't fall far from the tree. The main ingredient in DASH was HYFAC457- hydrogenated fish oils & fats which are no longer made by BASF.
 
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