mysteryclock
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Sign me up for testing with hard water - ours is like a rock here in Middle TN! Having two small kids, I'm sure I put it up against a variety of hard to remove and unpleasant stains....
Rosalie's No Suds Detergent
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Goodness, I think Artey deserves being mentioned on the box, or perhaps even a little picture!
Totally agree with Louis-
Artey should be on the box!!!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Artey should be on the box!!!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Ginger verbena... Did we sample that last summer? Sounds great, I love verbena. How does the scent last through the dryer?
peterh770
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I wonder if there was a way...that if you took a significant sample of a vintage detergent, such has Dash or Punch or Cold Power or Bold or OXYDOL, to a chemist, that they would find a way to get enough scent compound out of it to analyze and recreate...
Looking forward
To getting the trials samples, lets see what those twinnys, vintage & uber modern machines make of it....
There has only been one bio powder that produced no suds, a milky wash liquor, zero sudz and clear after the first rinse that I`ve used and it was a pleasure to use in the twinnys as well as the new stuff....we thought they where onto a winner as it was a big super own brand, but only lasted one season before the formula was changed to more sudz...
For those with twinnys we use the low foam auto version always as the "Handwash or Twintub" will have you rinsing forever!!!
To getting the trials samples, lets see what those twinnys, vintage & uber modern machines make of it....
There has only been one bio powder that produced no suds, a milky wash liquor, zero sudz and clear after the first rinse that I`ve used and it was a pleasure to use in the twinnys as well as the new stuff....we thought they where onto a winner as it was a big super own brand, but only lasted one season before the formula was changed to more sudz...
For those with twinnys we use the low foam auto version always as the "Handwash or Twintub" will have you rinsing forever!!!
Jon, You could appeal to a very large market if you put Artey's picture & name on the box with a statement about no animal testing, BUT it has to be emphasized up front that it does not suds. Lack of foam was what doomed the attempt in the 90s by the major manufacturers when they tried to market low sudsing versions to TIDE and other formerly high-sudsing brands. The lack of sudsing is why I figured it would be, at least at the start, a botique detergent. It would also broaden the market appeal to have a kosher certification for the product.
I just rewatched your video and the sudsing reminds me of what we got with AD from Colgate back in the mid 60s. Of course, the machine did not pause and reverse, but that was the type of sudsing.
I just rewatched your video and the sudsing reminds me of what we got with AD from Colgate back in the mid 60s. Of course, the machine did not pause and reverse, but that was the type of sudsing.
I HAD ARTEY
on the label and he got major rejection from several people, all had the exact same thing to say
WHAT IS HE DOING ON THE BOX< is this for dogs or laundry!
So my graphic artist took him off, I think down the road he'll make a reappearance!
Yes Tom the whole niche will be centered around the NO SUDS.
Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"
We film the first commercial in May and it will be a tutorial on how suds never cleaned any clothing even in grandma's time.
When its done I'll put a link up here.
on the label and he got major rejection from several people, all had the exact same thing to say
WHAT IS HE DOING ON THE BOX< is this for dogs or laundry!
So my graphic artist took him off, I think down the road he'll make a reappearance!
Yes Tom the whole niche will be centered around the NO SUDS.
Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"
We film the first commercial in May and it will be a tutorial on how suds never cleaned any clothing even in grandma's time.
When its done I'll put a link up here.
If someone could sketch you a tiny image of Artey in the Jugendstil style of the old P&G logo, maybe just for the backside small prints of the soap box, that would be really cool 
So Jon,
Are you plannning to bring a suitcase full of samples to share when you head West next month??
If not you may be turned away at the door....
hehe
(stands tall and walks SLOWLY away....)
Kevin
Are you plannning to bring a suitcase full of samples to share when you head West next month??
If not you may be turned away at the door....
hehe
(stands tall and walks SLOWLY away....)
Kevin
Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil. When the suds broke down, the soap solution was finished for cleaning and whether it was fabrics or dishes, the soil and grease were no longer going to be removed and the grease came floating to the top.
We know that is not the same for detergents. My father would demonstrate this for kitchen workers by filling a sink with hot water then, after he had shut off the water, adding enough liquid hand dishwashing detergent for the proper concentration without creating a bubble. Then he would take a pot where grease has been been allowed to bake onto the outside because people had only washed the inside. He would immerse it in the water with one hand and in his other hand he held a green 3M scrubbing pad with which he would scrub the outside. He would not scrub the entire pan clean, just a portion of it. He would then lift it out of the sudsless water with a portion of the aluminum shining bright and rinse it off. People who were raised on using soap did not understand how modern detergents could clean without suds (I remember hearing gasps of "magic") and frankly, I don't know that they were convinced, but he did it in the presence of the manager so there would be no talk of how the detergent did not clean because the suds were not billowing out of the sink.
So please be careful to make the distinction between soap and detergents and old style detergents with foaming surfactants and non-foaming ones. Having a frontloader go into spin and sudslock with an HE detergent in a load of towels should be the acid test between regular detergents and Rosalie's. BTW, who is Rosalie?
We know that is not the same for detergents. My father would demonstrate this for kitchen workers by filling a sink with hot water then, after he had shut off the water, adding enough liquid hand dishwashing detergent for the proper concentration without creating a bubble. Then he would take a pot where grease has been been allowed to bake onto the outside because people had only washed the inside. He would immerse it in the water with one hand and in his other hand he held a green 3M scrubbing pad with which he would scrub the outside. He would not scrub the entire pan clean, just a portion of it. He would then lift it out of the sudsless water with a portion of the aluminum shining bright and rinse it off. People who were raised on using soap did not understand how modern detergents could clean without suds (I remember hearing gasps of "magic") and frankly, I don't know that they were convinced, but he did it in the presence of the manager so there would be no talk of how the detergent did not clean because the suds were not billowing out of the sink.
So please be careful to make the distinction between soap and detergents and old style detergents with foaming surfactants and non-foaming ones. Having a frontloader go into spin and sudslock with an HE detergent in a load of towels should be the acid test between regular detergents and Rosalie's. BTW, who is Rosalie?
Blank spaces are important
Jon says: Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"
Please note that it should read "ZERO SUDS! = CLEAN DUDS!" instead. For a very large number of people (computer professionals mostly, but almost any science geek that deals with computer programming, like physicists, chemists, engineers etc) your original copy reads "zero suds not equal clean duds" instead of "zero suds equals clean duds", because a large number of computer languages uses "!" as "not" so "!=" is "not equal".
Just saying. Because we desperately need a detergent with no suds, and nothing should stand on the way to its success!
Jon says: Our slogan which is in for copyright is "ZERO SUDS!=CLEAN DUDS!"
Please note that it should read "ZERO SUDS! = CLEAN DUDS!" instead. For a very large number of people (computer professionals mostly, but almost any science geek that deals with computer programming, like physicists, chemists, engineers etc) your original copy reads "zero suds not equal clean duds" instead of "zero suds equals clean duds", because a large number of computer languages uses "!" as "not" so "!=" is "not equal".
Just saying. Because we desperately need a detergent with no suds, and nothing should stand on the way to its success!
Tom and Paul
both Excellent points thank you!
"Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil."
That actually is going to be part of the basis of the commercial, the other part will be a short discourse that any suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric. Rosalie's ( my mother's namesake) forces all the surfactant to stay in solution for maximum cleaning effect by preventing surfactant combing with air.
Paul- Thank you for the information about the "!" mark , I did not know it was used that way! You should come over for a visit and I'll give you some to try!!
Jon
both Excellent points thank you!
"Jon, Actually in grandma's time when soap was used for cleaning, a rich layer of suds indicated that the soap solution was strong enough for cleaning and the suds assured that the solution was suspending the soil."
That actually is going to be part of the basis of the commercial, the other part will be a short discourse that any suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric. Rosalie's ( my mother's namesake) forces all the surfactant to stay in solution for maximum cleaning effect by preventing surfactant combing with air.
Paul- Thank you for the information about the "!" mark , I did not know it was used that way! You should come over for a visit and I'll give you some to try!!
Jon
Stefan
what is that style you speak of I have not seen it
"Artey in the Jugendstil style of the old P&G logo" Can I find an example on the web??
Jon
what is that style you speak of I have not seen it
"Artey in the Jugendstil style of the old P&G logo" Can I find an example on the web??
Jon
Jugendstil is also called "Art Nouveau" and I *think* this is the right term to describe the old P&G logo, but might be wrong.
I was talking about the beautiful old logo with the moon and the stars.
Just Google "P&G" logo, I don`t dare to post one after all this copyright discussion recently.
I was talking about the beautiful old logo with the moon and the stars.
Just Google "P&G" logo, I don`t dare to post one after all this copyright discussion recently.
The P&G logo
Not to mention all of the xtianists who claimed it had satanic connotations.
"Help, my washer is possessed! It's glowing different colors! It must be that damned Tide."
"Lady, that's just the tub light and the germicidal light."
Not to mention all of the xtianists who claimed it had satanic connotations.
"Help, my washer is possessed! It's glowing different colors! It must be that damned Tide."
"Lady, that's just the tub light and the germicidal light."
"suds formed on the top by a detergent means that surfactant has combined with air to make the bubbles and so is not in solution cleaning fabric."
So the Bendix Economat with "Undertow washing action" which pulled the suds down into the water was making better use of surfactant than washers that let suds rise to the top of the water! Amazing. Although it operated at a higher speed than the Maytag Gyrator, I would love to see the Bendix perforated agitator operate in a Maytag and vice-versa. Unnatural couplings? The washing action that dare not speak its name?
Jon, can you elaborate on your reference about fogging your house with surfactant streaming in the basement?
So the Bendix Economat with "Undertow washing action" which pulled the suds down into the water was making better use of surfactant than washers that let suds rise to the top of the water! Amazing. Although it operated at a higher speed than the Maytag Gyrator, I would love to see the Bendix perforated agitator operate in a Maytag and vice-versa. Unnatural couplings? The washing action that dare not speak its name?
Jon, can you elaborate on your reference about fogging your house with surfactant streaming in the basement?
Stefan
Now I understand what you mean. Thank you , yes I do like that old logo. Its sort of what we call a 'block print" here. Cut from a solid medium and is imprinted in one color.
Tom the story goes as such.
One step in making the detergent is to heat a chemical from a paste state to a liquid state and then spray or adsorb it onto a powder. Well I had the powder tumbling in the cement mixer in February inside the basement because it was VERY cold outdoors! As I started to spray, billows of white fog proceeded to issue from the mixer. I decided to stop and put on my gas mask , goggles, and ear plugs and open the basement door for fresh air. Then I continued spraying into the barrel mixer, which took about 45 minutes. By that time the whole basement was a white fog. I finished and headed upstairs.
What I had forgotten was I had left the door to the basement open! So all the air coming in from the outside door was being ushered up the stairs into the house! When I got the top of the stairs the entire first floor was one big white FOG! And Artey was hanging over the couch gasping for air!
I rushed to throw him outside and opened every door and window I could find, then I turned on all the ceiling fans as well. It took hours to bring the house back up to temperature
Then I found as I wiped surfaces and walls that I was actually cleaning the house!
So in the end Artey survived, the house was clean and full of fresh air!
Now all spraying is done outside regardless of temperature!
Now I understand what you mean. Thank you , yes I do like that old logo. Its sort of what we call a 'block print" here. Cut from a solid medium and is imprinted in one color.
Tom the story goes as such.
One step in making the detergent is to heat a chemical from a paste state to a liquid state and then spray or adsorb it onto a powder. Well I had the powder tumbling in the cement mixer in February inside the basement because it was VERY cold outdoors! As I started to spray, billows of white fog proceeded to issue from the mixer. I decided to stop and put on my gas mask , goggles, and ear plugs and open the basement door for fresh air. Then I continued spraying into the barrel mixer, which took about 45 minutes. By that time the whole basement was a white fog. I finished and headed upstairs.
What I had forgotten was I had left the door to the basement open! So all the air coming in from the outside door was being ushered up the stairs into the house! When I got the top of the stairs the entire first floor was one big white FOG! And Artey was hanging over the couch gasping for air!
I rushed to throw him outside and opened every door and window I could find, then I turned on all the ceiling fans as well. It took hours to bring the house back up to temperature
Then I found as I wiped surfaces and walls that I was actually cleaning the house!
So in the end Artey survived, the house was clean and full of fresh air!
Now all spraying is done outside regardless of temperature!
Thank you
Oh, That's like the drying tower operation we saw when we visited one of the companies daddy represented. The solution was sprayed in at the top and by the time it fell through the air, it was powder. They went several stories up through the plant. We also saw huge cylinders with turning blades on a center shaft like ice cream freezers or cement mixers (except vertical) where they mixed the various formulas.
So the detergent's name is a way to immortalize your mother's name. What a fine way to do it with something that really means a great deal to you by improving life or improving life through laundry. Such a fine son.
Oh, That's like the drying tower operation we saw when we visited one of the companies daddy represented. The solution was sprayed in at the top and by the time it fell through the air, it was powder. They went several stories up through the plant. We also saw huge cylinders with turning blades on a center shaft like ice cream freezers or cement mixers (except vertical) where they mixed the various formulas.
So the detergent's name is a way to immortalize your mother's name. What a fine way to do it with something that really means a great deal to you by improving life or improving life through laundry. Such a fine son.
xraytech
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This no suds detergent sounds great, cant wait until it is available to try some.
We use a top loader here, I'm curious to see how it will stand up to our well water that is very hard with lime.
The scents even sound pretty good as well. Would you be branching out into more scnts in time? I'd love to see a lilac scent for laundering linens
We use a top loader here, I'm curious to see how it will stand up to our well water that is very hard with lime.
The scents even sound pretty good as well. Would you be branching out into more scnts in time? I'd love to see a lilac scent for laundering linens
