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What is the difference between the Les Brown Orch. & Saddam Hussein? Les Brown is still swinging!!!
Saddam Hussein~ executed!!
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Whew! Does this mean that we are safer, yet still not safest?
OSAMA BIN LADEN???
Sigh. Das Blog. Loser me.
These are my principles, and I hope you like them.
But don't worry if you don't. I have others.
OSAMA BIN LADEN???
Sigh. Das Blog. Loser me.
These are my principles, and I hope you like them.
But don't worry if you don't. I have others.
Methinks my sense of humour is misunderstood.
My own opinions smell worse than anyone's. Of that I am sure.
Mickey I have no idea what you are talking about in most of your thread.
If you want to clear the air, feel free to send me an e-mail.
This is your third direct attack on me, so I get that we are not drinking buddies.
I wish you well. I send you blessings.
My own opinions smell worse than anyone's. Of that I am sure.
Mickey I have no idea what you are talking about in most of your thread.
If you want to clear the air, feel free to send me an e-mail.
This is your third direct attack on me, so I get that we are not drinking buddies.
I wish you well. I send you blessings.
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hail Chrissie....
Take, take, take, takin' what you don't need
You'll get, get, gettin' what you don't need
Stand back, take a look and take heed
All the children in god's kingdom bleed
See the networks of concrete and steel
They've no mystery but what they reveal
Tells a story of a future that's void
Of the beauty and the majesty that life on
Earth is meant to be
Talk, talk, talk, talk about the government
And not a word about political favour
Everything touched is my political choice
The life you take is your political voice
The sacred cows come crashing to their knees
Golden harvest reaped without intelligence
There's no chance between the heavens and the seas
In a blood bath don't laugh
Grab your piece of golden calf
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not
Do unto others as you wish be done to you
There's a million lies 'round everything true
You slaughter when you feast
You disrespect the beast
Make our beds and lie there, take your share
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Pick it up and eat it
Waste not want not
Take, take, take, takin' what you don't need
You'll get, get, gettin' what you don't need
Stand back, take a look and take heed
All the children in god's kingdom bleed
See the networks of concrete and steel
They've no mystery but what they reveal
Tells a story of a future that's void
Of the beauty and the majesty that life on
Earth is meant to be
Talk, talk, talk, talk about the government
And not a word about political favour
Everything touched is my political choice
The life you take is your political voice
The sacred cows come crashing to their knees
Golden harvest reaped without intelligence
There's no chance between the heavens and the seas
In a blood bath don't laugh
Grab your piece of golden calf
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not
Do unto others as you wish be done to you
There's a million lies 'round everything true
You slaughter when you feast
You disrespect the beast
Make our beds and lie there, take your share
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Pick it up and eat it
Waste not want not
And your constant "selectivity" and exclusivity and that "We are better than you" "I'm okay, but you're not" mentalty is disgraceful.
Perhaps this is a sign of a person who is insecure and hurting, deep down.
Your kind words are very comforting. Thank you.
Perhaps this is a sign of a person who is insecure and hurting, deep down.
Your kind words are very comforting. Thank you.
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Jesus Christ!
If one cant debate and discuss without getting ones panties in a bunch, then dont post! If you cant present a point or an arguement in a concise and polite manner, then dont post. Who agrees?
If one cant debate and discuss without getting ones panties in a bunch, then dont post! If you cant present a point or an arguement in a concise and polite manner, then dont post. Who agrees?
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It will be interesting to see what sort of effect the death of Saddam will have on Iraq; will it bring an end to this brutality, or simply a martyr? And about Bin Laden: you have to wonder about "connections" Bush has with the Bin Laden family, which probably have something to do with the fact that he hasn't surfaced yet (and won't ever for the rest of his term, I'm willing to bet).
I agree 100% with David. Not speaking for anyone, but Mike, I do think you misunderstood Toggle and his mannerisms and that they came across the wrong way. When you meet him next Spring in Tucson, it will be different...;-)
--Austin
I agree 100% with David. Not speaking for anyone, but Mike, I do think you misunderstood Toggle and his mannerisms and that they came across the wrong way. When you meet him next Spring in Tucson, it will be different...;-)
--Austin
Thanks, I was trying to say let's not let let this controversial thread tear us apart over politics, as we saw in a thread just recently.
Sorry it came across so poorly. I was not responding to the post and posters above mine.
Sorry it came across so poorly. I was not responding to the post and posters above mine.
This is humour, in case you cant tell.
Matter and anti-matter in the same room? That should give off some energy! *LOL* any Trekkies out there care to tell us what happens when those two are placed together?
KA-BOOM!
Well I for one would like to see my accuser, look into his eyes, be in his aura, get his vibe and vice-versa. THEN if daggers are to fly so be it. Before that time methinks it is not all that good to base one's thoughts entirely on gossip, or another's ability to express in writing via this medium.
and in case you were wondering it's not megalo-mania where megalo means "large" it's GIGANTO-MANIA (where "giganto-" means giant.)
Keep smiling! I just KNOW that the soul of Saddam is watching over me, in that I have not judged him in this thread. *LOL*
He who is free of sin may cast the first stone....or somethimg to that effect.
Matter and anti-matter in the same room? That should give off some energy! *LOL* any Trekkies out there care to tell us what happens when those two are placed together?
KA-BOOM!
Well I for one would like to see my accuser, look into his eyes, be in his aura, get his vibe and vice-versa. THEN if daggers are to fly so be it. Before that time methinks it is not all that good to base one's thoughts entirely on gossip, or another's ability to express in writing via this medium.
and in case you were wondering it's not megalo-mania where megalo means "large" it's GIGANTO-MANIA (where "giganto-" means giant.)
Keep smiling! I just KNOW that the soul of Saddam is watching over me, in that I have not judged him in this thread. *LOL*
He who is free of sin may cast the first stone....or somethimg to that effect.
Do I need to quote my source? *LOL*
perc-o-prince
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Say what yo mean rich if you have a problem with it
Hi Agiflow,
I don't have a problem with anyone in particular it's just that I see a few passionate people, in this club, who seem to be so intent on "teaching" us all what is "right or wrong" and calling it an opinion and are very unwilling to see anyone elses opinion.. I don't feel that I'm stupid but I know that I will never stop learning and this is why I listen, read and use logic. I have to wonder if these "debates" would become so heated if we were all face to face and not sitting behind a machine. I wasn't attacking you, Pat, or anyone else. That's not my nature. I am a very peaceful person and am trying like hell to find some peace in what is turning out to be the most sad and tragic holiday of my 44 years (nothing to do with world events). I try to lose myself in the fun of this list but I'm just finding it so hard to when I see all of this dissention as of late. Perhaps I'm just being too sensitive
I hate to see bickering. It started in a recent tread and now it's happening in this one. It tends to lead to very hurt feelings and then we have the "Well! If he's/she's going to be at the wash-in then I'm not going" behavior. This would be most sad. Don't say that it can't happen. It can, it does and I've seen it happen in other groups that I've been involved in. I love people and would love to meet many of you so this is why I keep my most important thought/opinions to myself or I direct them, in person or by phone, to a few chosen confidants who know me well enough to know just what I mean. I love this site because of the great opportunity for me to meet people who have the same hobby interests and to make some new friends both of which I feel blessed to have done. Sadly a couple of these friends have chosen to quietly leave this club because of the bickering and hostilities that have been shown to various people. THIS IS SAD!
I hope that I haven't offended anyone and, if I have, please accept my most sincere apologies.
Rich
Hi Agiflow,
I don't have a problem with anyone in particular it's just that I see a few passionate people, in this club, who seem to be so intent on "teaching" us all what is "right or wrong" and calling it an opinion and are very unwilling to see anyone elses opinion.. I don't feel that I'm stupid but I know that I will never stop learning and this is why I listen, read and use logic. I have to wonder if these "debates" would become so heated if we were all face to face and not sitting behind a machine. I wasn't attacking you, Pat, or anyone else. That's not my nature. I am a very peaceful person and am trying like hell to find some peace in what is turning out to be the most sad and tragic holiday of my 44 years (nothing to do with world events). I try to lose myself in the fun of this list but I'm just finding it so hard to when I see all of this dissention as of late. Perhaps I'm just being too sensitive
I hate to see bickering. It started in a recent tread and now it's happening in this one. It tends to lead to very hurt feelings and then we have the "Well! If he's/she's going to be at the wash-in then I'm not going" behavior. This would be most sad. Don't say that it can't happen. It can, it does and I've seen it happen in other groups that I've been involved in. I love people and would love to meet many of you so this is why I keep my most important thought/opinions to myself or I direct them, in person or by phone, to a few chosen confidants who know me well enough to know just what I mean. I love this site because of the great opportunity for me to meet people who have the same hobby interests and to make some new friends both of which I feel blessed to have done. Sadly a couple of these friends have chosen to quietly leave this club because of the bickering and hostilities that have been shown to various people. THIS IS SAD!
I hope that I haven't offended anyone and, if I have, please accept my most sincere apologies.
Rich
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Perc...I confess I was a bit upset with you when you mentioned something about my seeming indifferent to human life. I was provoked because I'd been talking about someone who was dead and gone already, couldn't (and probably wouldn't) choose to come back, and had lived to a ripe old age and went to meet his reward. Also, it was predictable as Armageddon that a "Saddam Swings" glee thread was imminent and I was pretty positive no one would take anyone to task for those sorts of comments either.
On the other hand, I also felt it was entirely possible that you were overtly expressing annoyance with me, but covertly (and possibly unintentionally) also expressing frustration with other posters who make strong statements that are inflammatory
as well.
You've always been kind and decent to me on the board as well.
Whatever. That's life.
Sometimes, you're the pigeon. Sometimes, you're the statue.
My take on what you've said? I know it is innate to want people you care about (or, even, those you put up with) to settle down, and learn to go along to get along.
But these are tumultuous times. There is great vexation with the status quo.
I believe that the age of tolerance and multiculturalism, as they are currently defined, are coming to a close. People have had it up to their necks with having tolerance and multiculturalism forced down their throats (whether real or imagined).
When I speak powerfully and forcefully for or against an issue, I'm really not trying to teach anything. But there are times when I see misconceptions, foolishness and a willingness to believe and be manipulated based on misinformation and distortions, I HAVE to speak up.
I too once lived in a place called Howard Beach, where is was not advisable to speak out against things that people did toward one another. I saw, and felt, and witnessed the price of false honor, and the psychic pain over time. The rate of drug abuse, domestic violence, robberies, etc. rivalled that of a notorious slum that was a few minutes away by car.
Many aspects of life in the former East Germany were like that as well, although the negative aspects of that particular situation at least ground to a screeching halt. And not, as some "dignitaries" like to claim, because of their forbearance...but because ordinary citizens of conscience overcame the spirit of fear and marched, and screamed, and stood up against injustice.
It won't work, for people to be tiptoeing around one another. Either I will have to leave, or other people will have to leave, or we'll have to devise new ways of communicating with one another and getting our points across effectively, and learning to listen without prejudice.
And that takes time.
My email is not a secret. After the last round, I haven't heard from anybody, which to me was an indication that I shouldn't return, but for some reason, I felt moved in my spirit to come back, for I do enjoy posting here.
Please just try to remember, Rich, that everyone has to make their own choices. Sometimes a contrived peace is worse than no peace at all. And, it is said that one may lie for peace, but not when the peace itself is a lie.
HAPPY 2007, FELLOW WASHERIANS!!!
On the other hand, I also felt it was entirely possible that you were overtly expressing annoyance with me, but covertly (and possibly unintentionally) also expressing frustration with other posters who make strong statements that are inflammatory
as well.
You've always been kind and decent to me on the board as well.
Whatever. That's life.
Sometimes, you're the pigeon. Sometimes, you're the statue.
My take on what you've said? I know it is innate to want people you care about (or, even, those you put up with) to settle down, and learn to go along to get along.
But these are tumultuous times. There is great vexation with the status quo.
I believe that the age of tolerance and multiculturalism, as they are currently defined, are coming to a close. People have had it up to their necks with having tolerance and multiculturalism forced down their throats (whether real or imagined).
When I speak powerfully and forcefully for or against an issue, I'm really not trying to teach anything. But there are times when I see misconceptions, foolishness and a willingness to believe and be manipulated based on misinformation and distortions, I HAVE to speak up.
I too once lived in a place called Howard Beach, where is was not advisable to speak out against things that people did toward one another. I saw, and felt, and witnessed the price of false honor, and the psychic pain over time. The rate of drug abuse, domestic violence, robberies, etc. rivalled that of a notorious slum that was a few minutes away by car.
Many aspects of life in the former East Germany were like that as well, although the negative aspects of that particular situation at least ground to a screeching halt. And not, as some "dignitaries" like to claim, because of their forbearance...but because ordinary citizens of conscience overcame the spirit of fear and marched, and screamed, and stood up against injustice.
It won't work, for people to be tiptoeing around one another. Either I will have to leave, or other people will have to leave, or we'll have to devise new ways of communicating with one another and getting our points across effectively, and learning to listen without prejudice.
And that takes time.
My email is not a secret. After the last round, I haven't heard from anybody, which to me was an indication that I shouldn't return, but for some reason, I felt moved in my spirit to come back, for I do enjoy posting here.
Please just try to remember, Rich, that everyone has to make their own choices. Sometimes a contrived peace is worse than no peace at all. And, it is said that one may lie for peace, but not when the peace itself is a lie.
HAPPY 2007, FELLOW WASHERIANS!!!
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oxydolfan~
Do not leave..AW.Org would not be the same without you.
Do not leave..AW.Org would not be the same without you.
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You know guys, I really don't understand what the big deal about all this really is. Personally, I don't give a good damn what anyone thinks, and I never have. But it certainly does not mean that because someone thinks differently then I do that I can't call that person a friend or be open to his/her point of view. Or in any way, shape or form treat that person poorly, talk about him/her behind their back or even not show up at a wash-in because those folks with opinions different then mine might be there. That's just ridiculous. Sometimes folks express opinions in ignorance, or what I call "uninformed opinions". There's nothing wrong with educating them....after all, that's what we're all here for.
I haven't seen a single example of anyone attacking anyone in this thread. There is no reason to be so sensitive that we can't be friends and express opinions that may be different from our fellow posters? We're all adults here, and damned fine people, too, I might add. There is nothing that anyone on this board, or any other, can say that is going to materially alter your life! It's just an opinion. And let's face it, not everyone has a way with words, either. It does not make them bad or undeserving. Some express opinions through humor, but not everyone "gets it". That's okay too. I personally find those particular folks to be very amusing myself, but that's just my opinion. They are not intent on purposely offending anyone.
The poster who started this thread, SudsDudeShane, and I have been best friends for over 12 years. If you think that he and I agree on everything, you are so wrong. We are very different people. Yet we are also very good friends...because we don't attack each other and call each other names like schoolyard children. We just disagree on things from time to time, and move on. If one feels that they just have to be right, then so be it. It certainly does not make them a bad person, just somewhat of a pain in the ass at the family picnic! Again, nothing that they are going to say here is going to materially affect your life!!
We are all pretty intelligent folks who have lots of different life experiences to bring to the table that others can learn from. If you don't understand the context of a posting, just ask before you go ballistic. Sometimes folks respond negatively before they've even read a post completely.
This is a new year. Let's let respect and courtesy be the buzzwords around here for the new year. I think we all deserve that. And that is just my opinion!!!
Thanks all...and a very safe, happy and healthy new year to everyone.
I haven't seen a single example of anyone attacking anyone in this thread. There is no reason to be so sensitive that we can't be friends and express opinions that may be different from our fellow posters? We're all adults here, and damned fine people, too, I might add. There is nothing that anyone on this board, or any other, can say that is going to materially alter your life! It's just an opinion. And let's face it, not everyone has a way with words, either. It does not make them bad or undeserving. Some express opinions through humor, but not everyone "gets it". That's okay too. I personally find those particular folks to be very amusing myself, but that's just my opinion. They are not intent on purposely offending anyone.
The poster who started this thread, SudsDudeShane, and I have been best friends for over 12 years. If you think that he and I agree on everything, you are so wrong. We are very different people. Yet we are also very good friends...because we don't attack each other and call each other names like schoolyard children. We just disagree on things from time to time, and move on. If one feels that they just have to be right, then so be it. It certainly does not make them a bad person, just somewhat of a pain in the ass at the family picnic! Again, nothing that they are going to say here is going to materially affect your life!!
We are all pretty intelligent folks who have lots of different life experiences to bring to the table that others can learn from. If you don't understand the context of a posting, just ask before you go ballistic. Sometimes folks respond negatively before they've even read a post completely.
This is a new year. Let's let respect and courtesy be the buzzwords around here for the new year. I think we all deserve that. And that is just my opinion!!!
Thanks all...and a very safe, happy and healthy new year to everyone.
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AndrewinOrlando~
A wise and intelligent man, wouldn't you say? =)
A wise and intelligent man, wouldn't you say? =)
For whatever controversies it may occasionally house, I have come to love the SUPER forum. Do you remember---in the not too distant past, I might add---when the it had half the traffic it does now? Now it's become the most active forum (at least from my observation) at this site.
SUPER has also broadened its audience among our members. Some members who rarely ventured into this territory are now regulars.
Here's to a 2007 of spirited conversations on detergents, music, coffee makers and, occasionally, deposed dictators!
SUPER has also broadened its audience among our members. Some members who rarely ventured into this territory are now regulars.
Here's to a 2007 of spirited conversations on detergents, music, coffee makers and, occasionally, deposed dictators!
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Here, here Frigi - I'll drink to that!! Love the Super Forum and the terrific bunch of people who post here!
If you cant present a point or an arguement in a concise and
Agreed!
Agreed!
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Actually, I think I do! In the Ford thread, I didn't attack anyone, go for first blood, or have a hissy fit over a natural occurrence that absolutely could not be changed.
There's a small core of posters that are determined to force everyone to subscribe to their flavor of jingoistic righteousness. A smaller subset of these folks are popular, welcoming people whom other members have come to a lot of affection for. I believe few of these other posters dislike the progressive guard, and want for all concerned to live together in peace and harmony, like the Magic Garden (remember that show?)
These in-betweeners get inadvertantly sucked into a peacemaker role. My parents were divorced, and I wouldn't want to play "Swiss Miss" into my dotage either.
So people walk on eggshells and no one's legitimate frustrations are ever alleviated.
It's weird, but I guess we all muddle through (or, as I said, are forced off the board)....
There's a small core of posters that are determined to force everyone to subscribe to their flavor of jingoistic righteousness. A smaller subset of these folks are popular, welcoming people whom other members have come to a lot of affection for. I believe few of these other posters dislike the progressive guard, and want for all concerned to live together in peace and harmony, like the Magic Garden (remember that show?)
These in-betweeners get inadvertantly sucked into a peacemaker role. My parents were divorced, and I wouldn't want to play "Swiss Miss" into my dotage either.
So people walk on eggshells and no one's legitimate frustrations are ever alleviated.
It's weird, but I guess we all muddle through (or, as I said, are forced off the board)....
perc-o-prince
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Thank you Scotty!!
Your KIND words, advice and rebuttal were well thought out and articulated. More so than mine probably were. I am going through a very bad time in my life, at the moment, so perhaps I am just way too sensitive and need to take a break from this list. I will not leave for good but I think that perhaps a short "vacation" is in order.
Again, thank you, Scotty, for not jumping down my throat and as far as I'm concerned...we're cool!!! Please don't leave AWORG! You would be missed!
Gary....Agreed
Rich
Your KIND words, advice and rebuttal were well thought out and articulated. More so than mine probably were. I am going through a very bad time in my life, at the moment, so perhaps I am just way too sensitive and need to take a break from this list. I will not leave for good but I think that perhaps a short "vacation" is in order.
Again, thank you, Scotty, for not jumping down my throat and as far as I'm concerned...we're cool!!!
Please don't leave AWORG! You would be missed!Gary....Agreed
Rich
