Saddam Hussein~ executed!!

[perc-o-prince]

... If your major appliances are your only comfort...i feel

Agiflow,

That wasn't very nice at all. Jetcone just agreed and disagreed with with your opinion/observations. No need to take anyone elses inventory! Is there?

Rich

 

[perc-o-prince]

OOOPS!

I type too slowly

Rich

 

[hoovermatic]

They should have shot him when they found him in that hole and got it over and done with. He got what he deserved whether or not it makes any difference to the situation in Iraq. The only thing that will make any difference is for a full withdrawal of all troops.

 

[andrewinorlando]

Agiflow -

I disagree completely that "humans are in no way, shape or form in control of what the outcome will be".

We may not have "created" the world at hand, but we sure as hell created the situation that it's in now, for better or for worse. And only we can determine, through our own actions, what the resulting future will look like. It will be a result of our own free will, and hopefully future good judgement.

Mankind created his/her own situation, and he/she must take the resposibility to fix it, and hopefully for the better.

Just my two cents worth.....

 

[hoover1060]

very good Andrew

I agree with you.
Its called free will...

God is not a puppeteer

 

[alr2903]

Thanks to our Troops.

This is alot to happen, Im not sure i exactly understand all of it, there are many complex issues,in Iraq to my way of thinking. I know I want OUR troops home safe and sound, so many of our Best have given their lives. Was it really 2003 when they found saddam in that hole? this is almost 2007, So why on earth can't the new democracy in Iraq get their army or whatever it is together? Boot camp in the USA is what 6-8wks, seems to me, Iraq has had enough time to have Boot College. Praying Our Troops are home safe SOON...sidebar, wonder how much this has cost so far in taxpayer dollars?

 

[panthera]

ok, I'm outahere

Steve, you were right. This thread is going to hell in a handbasket.

I find it increasingly difficult to see a difference between christianists and the rest of the fundamentalist, hate-filled -ists.

Let's wait a week or two and see what happens. Then we might have a basis for comment.

 

[dalangdon]

I basically agree with Venus (Are you rubbing off on me? ;-) I hate to see anyone killed, but I can't get too worked up over this one.

HOWEVER, I think it was a sham trial, rushed through so that Sadaam was silenced forever. He knew too much, and was too dangerous if he were allowed to talk. If this thing were done right, he would have gone to the Hague, where he could still be executed, but a lot more dirt would have come out.

As for revelations, real or not, the turn of every century - and especially the turn of the millenium - brings out all sorts of "parallels" to the Book of Revelations. IMO, God doesn't work on our calendar. If he/she/it has a plan to end the world (a concept which I personally find extremely dubious) he/she/it will do it on his/her/its schedule. Besides, we seem to be doing a real good job of destroying the planet on our own.

To each his own, of course. But I don't see much reason for celebration in this event. I fear we're stuck over there for the duration. The only people this war is helping is the defense contractors. We should have paid more attention to President Eisenhower. I've linked to his famous speech. Lest anyone accuse me of being partisan, let me gently remind you that President Eisenhower was a Republican.

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

 

[dalangdon]

oops!

Sorry, wrong speech (although it is an excellent, thoughtful one. He wasn't Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in WWII because he was pretty ;-)

The gist of what I was refering to can be summed up in this quote from President Eisenhower:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron."

-- Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953

 

[jetcone]

Agiflow

I was not trying to sound strident, I just believe strongly in what I feel like you and we all should feel this spot is a place for dissent.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

I was flinging my 2 cents in probably with a heavy hand but thats me.

I hope you always feel free to comment your views here and I apologize if I made you feel uncomfortable that was never my intention.
I always attack what I percieve as not true I was not making a personal attack on you or any other member.

I'll try to walk a little softer next time.
sorry
Jon

 

[exploder3211]

Ok.. I have not read any of the posts but a quick read through...

My thoughts:

We shouldn't celibrate any ones death..However he got what he desierved.. My brother has served a tour in Iraq, a close buddie from high school is STILL in Iraq... I am not sure how many of you have seen pictures straight off the battle field, but it's bad.. It's like a really gorey video game... My brother won't be going back (pheww) due to an ankle injury he recieved from an IED that blew up under his humvee.... There will never be peace in the middle east, we know that from the bible... But this is of great relief to many islamics and middle easterners.. At least now they can try to re establish some kind of life.. Althoug, they do readily poo and pee in the streets, there are open sewers every where and so on and so forth.. I have seen more than a few of these pictures from there and it's not good.. I keep the solduires over there in my thoughts and prayers alot... Thats why i go to my brothers often, is to be around the people... I am suprised at how many are accepting of me, if not a tad leery that i may try to jump there bones, but they still accept me...

With all of that said, i don't believe in the death penelty until it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they where the ones who killed another living human being.. Than i am all for equal punishment... Meaning that if you bound, gagged and tortured (rape) some one and killed them, than i am all fort hem binding you up, hanging you with a noose and beating the sh*t out of you.

I am sorry, but i took criminal justice for about a year trying to get a degree in something and i saw how fuc** up our justice system is.. They will put some one away for 10 years for selling pot and give some one parole after 12 years for MURDER??????? WTF... UH NO WRONG

Now if there is some doubt that this happend than by any means i think you should be jailed until there can be doubt proven and i really think that people who kill others by drunk driving, being doped up on meds or who are physcotic or who are a few quarts low on transsmisson oil shouldn't be killed... They need some help... Even if they are lifers i am all for keeping them alive in a controlled enviroment and helping them with there needs...

OK... My opioion smells like an As*hole.. SO if you don't liek it fine, but please only agree or disagree... Don't belittle or become childish with it... Otherwise you will find a scathing email in you're inbox.. Thats not why we are here...

 

[Maytagmom]

The only people this war is helping is the defense contracto

Ok...someone else started ramming this in another thread back a couple of months ago, and it really struck a close nerve with me. I had to simply walk away and ignore them.

No hard feelings.

RE: Contractors

And so if this war just so happens to help all Americans in the long run, do you believe my company is going to get a big old Thank You card from the American people????

I don't think so.

Yes we make alot of money of Government Contracting, but we make a hell of a lot more for the work we are doing in
E&C. (Energy & Chemicals for you non-lay persons ;-)

I don't work in the G & I office (Government & Infrastructure) but I know tons of folks who do.

The folks who go over there do make alot of money. I thought of going for the sheer dollar amount that would of been offered to me. But at what cost? My life? No thank you. The rules of living over there in one of the Camps while contracting are not very pretty either. You basically have to stay within the confines of your assigned camp 24/7 until your rotation every 4 months. (Unless you are a truck driver or something)

Ok...I've gone off on a rant that I did not want to go off into. I knew I shouldn't of signed back in and read this thread. LOL

I respect everyone's opinion, whether I agree or not.

Now...I am going to get out of here and start celebrating the end of one long fantabulous year. Yeeee Haaaw!

Happy New Year everyone!

 

[frigilux]

Are we absolutely sure it wasn't one of his many look-alikes who took The Big Swing?

 

[exploder3211]

who knows... I disagree with who ever said about the contractors, they don't do 1/3rd of what our troops do... JUST ASK ONE

If you have any doubts about IRAQ go find some one who's been there, theyll set ya straight

 

[toggleswitch]

an i'm NOT picking on anyone, just pontificating in gene

Let us not forget that G-d is many different things to many different people.

Could be an alien civilization that keeps comimg down to rescue us from ouselves, to a benevolent mother nature, to a powerful father, to a bible-thumping rigid simplistic southern gentleman with little exposure to the real world, to a jaded arrogant New Yorker, to XXXXXXX (fill in the blanks).

Remember this little Toggle gem: We all create G-d in our own image, and impose our way of thinking on what information we gather through our thoughts and (physical)senses to make sense of the larger reality. NO ONE person's thinking is perfect. PERIOD. As human beings we, by definition, have limited abilites to think and process in that we can not see past this artificial thing called "time" and the very real to us "ego".

Let us not be rigid in our thinking, which to me is the most dangerous thing on the planet. This would make us as bad as the groups that hate us westerners and/or Americans.

Live and let live. Or is you are from NYC: live and let die. (*LOL*) Yay James Bond 007.

 

[toggleswitch]

Everything we do on this earth we pay for RIGHT HERE.

Saddam paid for his sins (real and imagined) with his life. GAME OVER.

I prefer not to give the situation any further thought, which gives it energy which gives it the power to maifest some type of physical result here on the earth.

The body has had its fuctions terminated. The soul perhaps lives on and will be judged by those higher beings/spirits better able to see the whole picture through time.

 

[perc-o-prince]

Pretty well said, Toggle!

Isn't religion, and one mans/country attempt to try to make another man/country see it their way, what starts most wars?

Seems like that's what often (not always) happens here in the guise of opinions

Just my two cents...if it's worth that

Rich

 

[agiflow]

Say what yo mean rich if you have a problem with it

 

[bajaespuma]

Bush snatches defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.

I used to be pro-death penalty. As I grew older and, I hope, wiser, I realized that there was probably nothing worse than being imprisoned with no hope of release. I realize that this is expensive (although I have several learned friends who tell me that execution in this country can be more expensive than a maintaining a prisoner for life). As for Hussein, no death could be cruel and sadistic enough for such a piece of human garbage. It seems to me that with a few cheap gestures, the man went to his death with some dignity, proving that he was defiant and contemptuous to the end.

It would have been far smarter and better to throw the hirsuit little shit into a dark solitary cell and leave him there to shrivel and wither away as does Charles Manson in California. Then what few loyal followers of family and friends would see, over time, that this was no greater leader, but a common criminal who had connections and was at the right place at the right time, just like the current president of the United States of America.

 

[mickeyd]

What class and grace Jetcone and Agi show to each other! Wha

see them so careful not to offend and to make instant amends. such class

And look at Frigi trying to lighten the burden with humor maybe truth, and then look at Toggle saying our opinions smell like anuses? What about his? Does his smell too? and using his negative energy to send this thread to destruction?

But it didn't happen. It stayed rather civil with people trying hard not to trash the disussion. So your negative power didn't hold the day!

Toggle, I wish at least once you'd give credit to the sources from which you so shamelessly plagarize, re :the definition of God and your little Toggle-gem. Talk about ego supression, You have the biggest and most defective ego on the set; you may actually have megalomania. You think that everything--INCLUDING THIS CLUB-- is all about you. IT'S NOT. It's for all of us. And your constant "selectivity" and exclusivity and that "We are better than you" "I'm okay, but you're not "mentalty is disgraceful.

On December 26, when it was still Christmas for many, you posted that giant picture Get out Scum. Have you no mercy or decency or charity even at Christmas. I became ill that night and still am pretty sick. Are you you happy? and happier still to be the terrorist at Aworg setting horrible example for at least three people who are getting worse.

Does anyone else feel that The Beautiful Man who gave us this gift has been so silent, of late, and sorely missed by most of us because he may be disillusioned by so much discord and incivility.

I've been here one year tomorrow and hpoed to say forever, but it sure is getting stressful to tune in when it used to be pure joy. Please, will all loving people silently send the healing power of their good thoughts so I get better. Rarely ill, I'm a little scared right now. Thank You.