Sears New Stuff
Nice GE cooking - they have always had good cooking!
Nice GE cooking - they have always had good cooking!
Sears New Stuff!
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Sears New Stuff
Most usable capacity (where)
LG can stick it!
Most usable capacity (where)
LG can stick it!
Sears New Stuff
cant see through these windows
And so costly to top it off!
Finished - please give openions and comments!
Thanks,
Peter
cant see through these windows
And so costly to top it off!
Finished - please give openions and comments!
Thanks,
Peter
Thanks, Pete. Their new line is very shiny and impressive looking. I was in Sears just this morning and I was surprised to see how plain and boring the white-goods department has become at this store, and the other West O store a few weeks ago. Looks like they just lined up the appliances back to back in aisles and walked away. Very few signs or displays to speak of, what there was just said "laundry" or Kenmore and most of the short-wall dividers between the aisles are gone. Perhaps they are readying for a re-do of those fixtures but given the state of the financial reports from Sears and Kmart, maybe they're paring down for the going out of business sale.
Other than a few top-load WP made machines, I should have counted them, it was pretty disheartening to see the massive Asian influence in the high-end Kenmore laundry, they really have kicked and beaten poor Lady Kenmore and buried her in a shallow grave!
Other than a few top-load WP made machines, I should have counted them, it was pretty disheartening to see the massive Asian influence in the high-end Kenmore laundry, they really have kicked and beaten poor Lady Kenmore and buried her in a shallow grave!
dj-gabriele
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What amazes me is that a dishwasher at 52db is marked "quiet"!
To my knowledge the noisiest machine you can buy here today is rated at 51db and it would be super noisy!
"Quiet" here would start at 45db, no more and most higher end machines go down to 39db like some SMEG or Miele. Why is that that American machines are far noisier?
To my knowledge the noisiest machine you can buy here today is rated at 51db and it would be super noisy!
"Quiet" here would start at 45db, no more and most higher end machines go down to 39db like some SMEG or Miele. Why is that that American machines are far noisier?
pierreandreply4
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well me i have a kenmore elite dishwasher that dates since the kitchen was redone in 2005 so its very quiet for a dishwasher and was for washers the best and most quiets of washer i have know so far was my 1993 inglis superb 2 washer as sometime when i was sleeping my to load washer would work and i would not notice its working.
Time Display
Peter,
Do any of the Kenmore front panel dishwashers display the cycle time? This is not mentioned in the specifications, and I can't tell from the photographs. Thanks.
Peter,
Do any of the Kenmore front panel dishwashers display the cycle time? This is not mentioned in the specifications, and I can't tell from the photographs. Thanks.
display cycle time
Model #13252, available in Septemberr, MAY have some sort of digital display feedback for cycle length. The comparable Kitchenaid has a series of bars that equal to bout 16 or 24 minutes. Sears did away with cycle countdown in like the 2nd or 3rd generation of tall tubs. Customers supposedly said it was a nuisance or a feature they dind't care about.
Model #13252, available in Septemberr, MAY have some sort of digital display feedback for cycle length. The comparable Kitchenaid has a series of bars that equal to bout 16 or 24 minutes. Sears did away with cycle countdown in like the 2nd or 3rd generation of tall tubs. Customers supposedly said it was a nuisance or a feature they dind't care about.
Time Display!
It was disappointing to me they did away with the digital display. It was at the end of the 2nd series of TT machines that they removed them like Bob said. But I don't believe it was a consumer preference. I did buy the TT kenmore 10 years ago when I redone my kitchen. It only lasted a year and a half. It had the digital display and the electronic board burnt out twice. I fought with sears to get them to change it for a TT GE that I am happy with. However I am sorry I got rid of my power clean whirlpool. Nothing can outwash that one. All these appliance companies have made so many steps backwards in the last several years. It is really ashame!
Peter
It was disappointing to me they did away with the digital display. It was at the end of the 2nd series of TT machines that they removed them like Bob said. But I don't believe it was a consumer preference. I did buy the TT kenmore 10 years ago when I redone my kitchen. It only lasted a year and a half. It had the digital display and the electronic board burnt out twice. I fought with sears to get them to change it for a TT GE that I am happy with. However I am sorry I got rid of my power clean whirlpool. Nothing can outwash that one. All these appliance companies have made so many steps backwards in the last several years. It is really ashame!
Peter
Thanks appnut and Peter!
When you have no idea how long the dishwasher has been running, or will be running (as when someone else has started the machine), such a feature is anything but a nuisance. Thanks again for the information.
When you have no idea how long the dishwasher has been running, or will be running (as when someone else has started the machine), such a feature is anything but a nuisance. Thanks again for the information.
Dishwasher Run Time!
Yes I agree - it is more like common sense and they use next to none of it when making these appliances. At one time they were looking at the consumer now they don't. The fact that these dishwashers and washers run as long as they do makes them obsolete in my openion. Plus so many of them don't get the dishes clean and these new TL energy efficent washers are rough on the clothes. So I ask everyone how far have we progressed? When I was in sears the other day I was speaking to the sales person and laughed at the 2 plus grand kenlg tol washer and said how many people have bought this? She said next to none. She also said she isn't supposed to say anything bad. Amazing how they just dont get the fact that consumers miss and want simplicity. And of course reasonable prices. Now a days we don't find any of that and they are all trying to pass off garbage.
The only thing I could think of that was worse is when white consolidated destroyed frigidaire and tried to pass off their products as quality products!
Peter
Yes I agree - it is more like common sense and they use next to none of it when making these appliances. At one time they were looking at the consumer now they don't. The fact that these dishwashers and washers run as long as they do makes them obsolete in my openion. Plus so many of them don't get the dishes clean and these new TL energy efficent washers are rough on the clothes. So I ask everyone how far have we progressed? When I was in sears the other day I was speaking to the sales person and laughed at the 2 plus grand kenlg tol washer and said how many people have bought this? She said next to none. She also said she isn't supposed to say anything bad. Amazing how they just dont get the fact that consumers miss and want simplicity. And of course reasonable prices. Now a days we don't find any of that and they are all trying to pass off garbage.
The only thing I could think of that was worse is when white consolidated destroyed frigidaire and tried to pass off their products as quality products!
Peter
mrb627
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Display
Well, when people complain about longer cycle times, the obvious solution is to eliminate the display.
Malcolm
Well, when people complain about longer cycle times, the obvious solution is to eliminate the display.
Malcolm
LACK OF TIME DISPLAY
You got that right Malcolm, I can't think of any other information that I would like my DW to tell me except WHEN WILL IT FINELY END. LOL. They sure aren't going to tell you what it is actually doing any more [ 1st wash , 2nd rinse, heating water, etc ] I think they think the customer is too stupid to understand what goes on inside a DW. I think this is why when our customers call us with a problem they can't begin to tell us what is wrong, because they no longer have any idea what goes on inside the machine in the first place.
You got that right Malcolm, I can't think of any other information that I would like my DW to tell me except WHEN WILL IT FINELY END. LOL. They sure aren't going to tell you what it is actually doing any more [ 1st wash , 2nd rinse, heating water, etc ] I think they think the customer is too stupid to understand what goes on inside a DW. I think this is why when our customers call us with a problem they can't begin to tell us what is wrong, because they no longer have any idea what goes on inside the machine in the first place.
pierreandreply4
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my dishwasher do not have a time display as i would not look at the time that is left and the cycle time that is display is also an estimate of how long the cycle is as well.
Dishwasher manual filter clean every 4-6 months
Ew.
I sense mixed messages from this. Either A) you should rinse the filter after every load, and 4-6 months is the super-heavy-scrubbing filter cleaning interval, or B) they really do assume that the amount of crud buildup in the filter that begins to affect wash performance is marginal and only requires addressing at that point.
In which case, double ew.
If there's a filter there, and there isn't some sort of cleaning mechanism, then it's not entirely truthful that the dishwater stays "clean." It may be free of large particles, but if it's pulling all the otherwise pristine-looking water through last month's Pad Thai that is completely immobilized in the filter, then blecch.
Ew.
I sense mixed messages from this. Either A) you should rinse the filter after every load, and 4-6 months is the super-heavy-scrubbing filter cleaning interval, or B) they really do assume that the amount of crud buildup in the filter that begins to affect wash performance is marginal and only requires addressing at that point.
In which case, double ew.
If there's a filter there, and there isn't some sort of cleaning mechanism, then it's not entirely truthful that the dishwater stays "clean." It may be free of large particles, but if it's pulling all the otherwise pristine-looking water through last month's Pad Thai that is completely immobilized in the filter, then blecch.
pierreandreply4
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me i rinse the filter once a week and every 3 months run my dishwasher with some finish diswasher cleaner on a full cycle and my dishwasher turns out spic and span every time and it continue cleaning with optimal cleaning power
laundromat
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I hate the Kenmores because,for some strange reason, they have an issue with clear glass windows.Why would they take the time and energy as well as cost to make the SEE THROUGH glass windows so dark there is no way to clearly see anything???? Just proves there are those customers out there who just buy the appliances for looks,not performance.
