mrcleanjeans
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Many here say Sears powdered laundry detergent is the best but Consumer Reports' findings differed placing 4 Tide formulas at the top. What do you think?
Sears vs. Tide
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whitekingd
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Overall,
I prefer the Sears Laundry Detergent. Excellent cleaning without the sudsing!! Better price, especially when on sale.
I prefer the Sears Laundry Detergent. Excellent cleaning without the sudsing!! Better price, especially when on sale.
mrcleanjeans
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I don't like Tide myself because it produces "oceans of suds."
I don't use Tide because
1) It's expensive
2) It's loaded with optical brighteners and consequently makes dark colors look faded
And I refuse to believe that various liquids clean better than various powders, as CR supposedly found. I just don't think their test samples are dirty enough that they could tell the difference.
1) It's expensive
2) It's loaded with optical brighteners and consequently makes dark colors look faded
And I refuse to believe that various liquids clean better than various powders, as CR supposedly found. I just don't think their test samples are dirty enough that they could tell the difference.
C R CANNOT be trusted as they once were.
Whats not to like about Ultra Plus
It works
It is less costly (BY FAR)
They will even ship it to you some times for free
So there is no excuses!
It does not oversuds
It risnses freely
It does not have perfumy odors
It can be used with ANY type of bleach
It can be used at any temperature
It works well in hard or soft water
The People @ DeSoto chemical (the makers) will answer any questions you have about it.
And the BEST thing of all P & G does not make it.
Whats not to like about Ultra Plus
It works
It is less costly (BY FAR)
They will even ship it to you some times for free
So there is no excuses!
It does not oversuds
It risnses freely
It does not have perfumy odors
It can be used with ANY type of bleach
It can be used at any temperature
It works well in hard or soft water
The People @ DeSoto chemical (the makers) will answer any questions you have about it.
And the BEST thing of all P & G does not make it.
douglasdc6
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Sudsman I totally agree
After reading these similiar posts several month`s ago I went to sears & bought 8 boxes of there powder .
Happy with the results - No more tide.
Somethings not right with CR anymore.
After reading these similiar posts several month`s ago I went to sears & bought 8 boxes of there powder .
Happy with the results - No more tide.
Somethings not right with CR anymore.
mrcleanjeans
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I don't like CR either,don't trust them. But I read CR anyhow
just to see what they say,which is sometimes right.
just to see what they say,which is sometimes right.
andrewinorlando
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Sudsman...those are excellent points. And the price/cleaning ratio cannot be beat.
Actually, I do find CR to be helpful for many things - and the reading is always interesting even if I disagree with the ratings or test product selection.
And CR can steer one away from truly bad products.
I don't use it much for planning purchases of high tech items, though, because quite often the particular model number they test is already obsolete by the time the magazine hits the stands. And there's no assurance that the successor model will have the same design/performance.
And CR can steer one away from truly bad products.
I don't use it much for planning purchases of high tech items, though, because quite often the particular model number they test is already obsolete by the time the magazine hits the stands. And there's no assurance that the successor model will have the same design/performance.
Rich said: "I just don't think their test samples are dirty enough that they could tell the difference."
I think, from CR's description of their own tests, that there are actually a couple of points where their tests can fail, and probably do.
First, they use swatches that are uniformly dirty with special stains -- supposedly, they attach several of each stain (8? 10? I forget or it may have changed over the years) to white cloths and wash it. The problem, from my perspective, is that even if they use several different stains, it's still true that a few dozen swatches do not really make a full load, it probably still has less total dirt than a load would have. It's very different than testing the different detergents on our home, where the loads/stains tend to be similar from week to week and you observe the performance in raw form. So, as Rich is saying, it's possible that the dose of detergent is actually overpowering the amount of dirt they have, but the same dose for a full load of real laundry will leave some dirt behind.
Second, they use a fancy machine that shines light against the samples and measures how much light is reflected, and what colors, to tell how clean the swatch is. Over the years I have used plenty of different detergents, cheap and expensive, and I have often noticed that some of them, often the cheap ones, but not exclusively, tend to give the impression that the laundry is clean -- sometimes it looks like even chocolate milk stains have been cleaned -- but then when you look at light through the fabric you see the stain is still there. I have certainly had the experience of using a couple of detergents that CR said one was fabulous and the other cleaned OK but didn't have as nice whites, and find out that the one that was supposed to be fabulous actually left the chocolate milk stain in there hidden by the optical brighteners, while the other one did not actually look as white but was completely clean. Manufactures quickly learn what the testing procedures are and live down to it quite happily, unfortunately.
You can bet that as soon as they change the testing procedures to shine light through the fabric, some detergent makers will up the optical brighteners to try to hide the stain even more and some others will probably up the amount of enzymes to more fully remove the stains, or possibly a combination of both. And if CR starts testing full loads instead of just swatches, we'll probably witness the disappearance of "HE" vs. "non-HE" detergents, because it will be in the manufacturers' best interest to make the thing as non-sudsing as possible so we can put as much detergent as we need in the washers to get it to clean the laundry and rinse as cleanly as possible.
I think, from CR's description of their own tests, that there are actually a couple of points where their tests can fail, and probably do.
First, they use swatches that are uniformly dirty with special stains -- supposedly, they attach several of each stain (8? 10? I forget or it may have changed over the years) to white cloths and wash it. The problem, from my perspective, is that even if they use several different stains, it's still true that a few dozen swatches do not really make a full load, it probably still has less total dirt than a load would have. It's very different than testing the different detergents on our home, where the loads/stains tend to be similar from week to week and you observe the performance in raw form. So, as Rich is saying, it's possible that the dose of detergent is actually overpowering the amount of dirt they have, but the same dose for a full load of real laundry will leave some dirt behind.
Second, they use a fancy machine that shines light against the samples and measures how much light is reflected, and what colors, to tell how clean the swatch is. Over the years I have used plenty of different detergents, cheap and expensive, and I have often noticed that some of them, often the cheap ones, but not exclusively, tend to give the impression that the laundry is clean -- sometimes it looks like even chocolate milk stains have been cleaned -- but then when you look at light through the fabric you see the stain is still there. I have certainly had the experience of using a couple of detergents that CR said one was fabulous and the other cleaned OK but didn't have as nice whites, and find out that the one that was supposed to be fabulous actually left the chocolate milk stain in there hidden by the optical brighteners, while the other one did not actually look as white but was completely clean. Manufactures quickly learn what the testing procedures are and live down to it quite happily, unfortunately.
You can bet that as soon as they change the testing procedures to shine light through the fabric, some detergent makers will up the optical brighteners to try to hide the stain even more and some others will probably up the amount of enzymes to more fully remove the stains, or possibly a combination of both. And if CR starts testing full loads instead of just swatches, we'll probably witness the disappearance of "HE" vs. "non-HE" detergents, because it will be in the manufacturers' best interest to make the thing as non-sudsing as possible so we can put as much detergent as we need in the washers to get it to clean the laundry and rinse as cleanly as possible.
We stopped subscribing to CR years ago. Their product selection criteria is ridiculous and usually winds up misleading consumers.
E.g. Speed Queen is never included in CR's washer reviews. They claim the company doesn't have enough market share to be included. So consumers blindly believe CR's conclusions about top loaders, when SQ renders many (if not most) of these conclusions inaccurate and misleading.
E.g. Speed Queen is never included in CR's washer reviews. They claim the company doesn't have enough market share to be included. So consumers blindly believe CR's conclusions about top loaders, when SQ renders many (if not most) of these conclusions inaccurate and misleading.
dirtybuck
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But mrcleanjeans...
"Tide keeps on working after other suds have quit."
"Tide keeps on working after other suds have quit."
I don't care for CR anymore.
In July issues, they really bashed the Ranger down to the ground. I just brought a new Ranger in April, and been super please with it. And there were like 5 or 6 things I disagree with them.
In July issues, they really bashed the Ranger down to the ground. I just brought a new Ranger in April, and been super please with it. And there were like 5 or 6 things I disagree with them.
rayjay
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Sears Detergent
I have used Seara detergent a few years ago. I did not think it was anything special. In fact, the box sat there so long, that I threw it out. Maybe the new formulas are much better???
I have used Seara detergent a few years ago. I did not think it was anything special. In fact, the box sat there so long, that I threw it out. Maybe the new formulas are much better???
mrcleanjeans
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Tiny bubbles make me feel foul
True Bill, Tide does keep working long after the other suds have quit right into the rinse water. I found a double rinse necessary as a result.
True Bill, Tide does keep working long after the other suds have quit right into the rinse water. I found a double rinse necessary as a result.
kqkenmore
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I will use which everone that is on sale (Tide or Sears) because I use the he and they are both good.I am just glad that I have starting using powder my clothes are clean again.But I will say this I am not paying $8.00 for a box of Tide. I have also discovered Gain HE(powder).
mixguy
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Tide HE
I use Tide HE in my Duet Sport, best HE liquid I have tried, sometimes have to use second rinse I will try Sears powder. I like the ability to apply liquid to pretreat spots. I agree about CU not being not being a credable as they were about 20 yrs. ago. Their methods of testing some products is not as good as it used to be, especially cars and electronics (PCs etc). I got some great recipes when they were testing cake mixes, bread mixes back in the 1980s.
I use Tide HE in my Duet Sport, best HE liquid I have tried, sometimes have to use second rinse I will try Sears powder. I like the ability to apply liquid to pretreat spots. I agree about CU not being not being a credable as they were about 20 yrs. ago. Their methods of testing some products is not as good as it used to be, especially cars and electronics (PCs etc). I got some great recipes when they were testing cake mixes, bread mixes back in the 1980s.
Speaking For Myself
Never really cared much for any of the variations of Tide in my Miele, however the professional in wash "Stain Removing" powder is quite wonderful. Cleans and removes stains very well and rinses cleanly.
According to the MSDS, this version of Tide is the same as Tide HE and others. One only needs about 1-2 tablespoons for even the most gross heavy soil loads, and in a strange twist leaves less scent behind than Persil for sensitive skin formula. After line drying and or tumble drying, find much of the scent is gone when using this version of Tide, and certinaly after items have been stored for a week or so. Towels and such pulled from the linen closet have almost no scent as compared to Persil laundered items, which reek of scent weeks afterwards. Go figure.
L.
Never really cared much for any of the variations of Tide in my Miele, however the professional in wash "Stain Removing" powder is quite wonderful. Cleans and removes stains very well and rinses cleanly.
According to the MSDS, this version of Tide is the same as Tide HE and others. One only needs about 1-2 tablespoons for even the most gross heavy soil loads, and in a strange twist leaves less scent behind than Persil for sensitive skin formula. After line drying and or tumble drying, find much of the scent is gone when using this version of Tide, and certinaly after items have been stored for a week or so. Towels and such pulled from the linen closet have almost no scent as compared to Persil laundered items, which reek of scent weeks afterwards. Go figure.
L.
