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I would ask these pressing questions, but I have a feeling that I won't get a straight answer. I would like to know. Will they go to a dual action agitator with the short/fast stroke? What will they do next? Speed Queen, if you are reading this, please tell me. We would like to know.
 
Funny enough, we HAVE US machines here by LG and Samsung.

They are rated up to 18kg, which is just shy of 40lbs.

Their biggest issue comes down to EU homes not having hot water for the laundry setup usually AND them wanting to suit situations where the washer isn't on its own electric circuit - so they limit the washer to 2kW of heating power instead of the theoretical 3.6kW max total if it was on its own standard circuit.

Heating 40lbs of laundry plus like 80lbs of water from tap cold to hot takes eternities.
Professional machines run at 14-18kW of heating power for that size load.

To add to the Hoover load size absurdity:
They make a combo washer dryer in the EU size that is rated to wash and dry 9kg (20lbs) in that 83l (2.9cuft) drum non stop.
Takes exactly 10h on the label cycle.

Easiest thing I found to picture load sizes was a comparison used by appliances online in their product videos - one regular T-Shirt is about 200g.
So 5 T-Shirts are 1kg, or about 2 T-Shirts per pound.

So 45 T-Shirts to wash and dry - or 70 T-Shirts just to wash.
 
Not using the full potential of Euro electric

Yeah, my Duet does have hot/cold inlets but I kinda still wished it would draw 3kW for heating. And as Henrik mentioned, there was/is no hot-water outlet in any of the places I installed my washer (except for one).

That reminds me of the American Bosch Nexxt washer that made it over here. Bosch did adapt the cycle to the European market--- but took away the hot fill and left the small American heater in there! 3+ cubic foot drum full of coldd, wet clothes and only 1,000 watts to heat. I should dig up the manual and see how long the 194F wash took.
 
Bosch Logixx 9 / Nexxt

One of the most bizarre decisions I ever saw on a washer, indeed.

They had to change the ENTIRE electrical system for the EU version.
They had to create a new heater spec to run at the lower wattage with the higher voltage - and yet STILL decided to use the lower wattage.

Using an existing heater from a different EU washer would have been a better choice.

A boilwash was 200min.
The 60C was surprisingly decent at 130-150min depending on setting.

Really no idea why they did that.
 
The Aussie Neptune was the same. From memory the element was 1100 watts, if you let it cold fill, it would run for 3 hours to heat to 60.

My duet is cold fill only, but it has a 2200 watt element. It takes around 2 hours for a cottons 60 with two rinses.
 
Like Miele Bosch made a huge deal about introducing their NEXXT washer and dryer line. Things looked good on paper and both sets appealed to those wanting European front loaders with promised American uber sized capacity.



Where Bosch did have it over Miele was they built their large washers in USA. Miele OTOH imported those huge 48XX washers and matching dryers from Europe. That of course made them very expensive.

Ironically W1 line of washers (IIRC) has same or greater capacity than Miele's 48xx machines. IIRC owners manual for 48xx washers stated they should only be loaded to about half or three quarter drum capacity for "normal" cotton/linens. What was point then of having such a huge washer if one couldn't use drum to fullest?

Miele's other washer introduced at same time, the 3XXX series actually had greater capacity than 48XX. This especially because one could load the thing like Miele washers of old.
 
One keeps rabbiting on about capacity because at least for normal/cottons/linens h-axis washers are happiest when loaded to full rated capacity. There are far less issues with spinning, OOB, etc... when washer is fully loaded.



Modern front loaders with fully computer controlled motors and drum rhythms are some what better at coping with OOB, but at what cost. Some machines will faff about for what seems like ages in aid of attempting to distribute load so can spin. Many times machines won't spin or will do so at reduced rpm because it just couldn't cope.

On another note owner of Samsung machine above states clearly despite having a washer with uber sized capacity he's still doing multiple loads. That's because after sorting there often isn't 18kg of whatever to be washed.
 
I remember when I was a kid we had a 380V 3 phase outlet in the basement for the washer which was state of the art in the 60s but unfortunately didn`t persist for long.
Many washers back then had a weaker and a stronger 220V element to either connect the strong one into a 10A lightning circuit or both paralleled into a 16A 220V circuit or in series to 380V for seriously fast heating.
Apparently people didn`t like the extra cost of having their washer wired, so they disappeared in the 70s.
Then we still could choose between 10 and 16A models as a 220V plug and play solution with 16A models definitely dominating the market.
Then the Berlin Wall fell in 89 and soon after Germany was reunited all washers and dishwashers were limited to 10A. The wiring in the former GDR was terribly bad and water volumes were already low enough to get decently fast heating with lower wattage.
Now capacity has been getting larger and larger and I wonder why the engineers missed to go back to at least tried and proven 3000 Watts 16A elements. Cycle times are getting so ridiculously long.

Apologies to OP for getting so off topic!
 
Remember when SQ released the new TR7 a few years ago and we were all in shock at how awful the circulation was? It wasn't so bad with regular clothes but it was anything bulky or stiff that you ran into problems.. It's like there wasn't enough circulation to move the stiffer or bulkier items.. Didn't they do a revision on this to make it slightly better? I haven't kept up much..

but the biggest question I have is this: Don't they do testing before releasing it? Wouldn't they test wash all kinds of fabrics and actually SEE the circulation for themselves?? Wouldn't they have seen (during testing) that there might be a problem?
 
Quantum Controls

Maybe there will be a new model with Quantum Touch Screen like the commercial machines got a year or two ago.

I would also like the FL with the rear controls back...

Malcolm
 

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