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I just saw this video from an enthusiast. Says we're expecting to get new models from SQ shortly but with bigger tubs. Also they're expanding with their new facility in Texas which I never heard of until now. And said some things that were misleading like the 10 year warranty, they're currently not offering that at this time. What do you think? Are we getting new models soon? To me, I'm not sure. I know with tighter restrictions we have currently and since this guy hasn't answered some of my questions, I find it hard to be true.

 
I don't understand why

For decades, the 3.2 cu ft tub would be considered very large and enough for even large families for a top loader. How many people actually have a king sized comforter? Then you can get a front loader which SQ makes.

Somehow, there must be a way to separate the tub and agitation in the TR models to make them wash better. It seems like SQ could quietly do that in upcoming models and that way its not admitting a mistake too much.
 
Reply #2 hits it on the head regarding the capacity thing. I've never understood the need for those mammoth 5 cu. ft. and over top load washers. My 3.2 cu. ft. traditional top load washer handles very large loads on a regular basis and I can't imagine needing to wash bigger loads than this. On top of that, those huge top load washres especially the impeller versions won't wash effectively if they're filled much beyond halfway so capacity is actually more or less the same. I'm not sure any top load washer can wash a king-size comforter very well but if we're really honest with ourselves how many people actually own one, and of those who do, how often do you really need to wash it? If you really have the need for room to do giant loads or king-size comforters you should probably have a front loader, although even in that case I'm not sure anyone needs much more capacity than, say, an old Whirlpool direct drive will hold. I think people who can truthfully say they regularly wash 20 large bath towels at a time are the minority. So I guess what I'm saying is Speed Queen will likely find that increasing the capacity of their top load washers won't increase actual capacity very much, so the current models are probably just fine.
 
Not to sound like this, but they keep on making machines bigger and bigger since people seem to be too lazy and negligent these days to separate laundry by color and soil level. By the time you separate everything, it’s not a very large load. The people who keep on demanding these machine then start complaining why their white socks and shirts are coming out dingy, gee I wonder why. When you wash very dirty clothes with clothes that are lightly soiled, they aren’t going to get properly cleaned since the filth if you will is just moved to different clothes and everything won’t be cleaned to it’s fullest potential.
 
Capacity

We recently moved. Installed in the new house was a BOL Roper DD. Capacity wasn't as bad as I expected, but we were doing loads of towels 2x a week. Now that we have the KenLG installed again, I can safely say that the 20 towels per load are completely normal for us, and not to mention how much it saves in water, electric, detergent, and time. That might be a part of SQ's goal here. A larger tub would likely appeal to the average consumer, as well as (potentially) increasing score on CR testing.
 
Hate To Say It

Capacity is the #1 consumer driver since the inception of automatic washers.

 

And behind the death of all good, long lasting washers.

 

 

The dual action agitator is what made Whirlpool so popular, the super capacity was what got model Ts into so many homes, larger capacity tubs are what put Maytag out of business, the relatively small tub ended the Frigidaire Unimatic, giant loads are what made FLs a common buy. 

 

Every time I've been on the sales floor of an appliance store I've overheard people make their final decision based on capacity.

 

Little do people know that you can only put in so large a wash tub before you sacrifice every other component of the machine and its ability to actually clean. 

 

If what the vid is saying is true Speed Queen is trying to compete with Whirlpool, GE, LG, ect which I can see ending the way it did for Maytag. Large capacity washers but with many downfalls because people are to vapid to realize nothing good comes out of reinventing the wheel. 

 

If everyone was like me the Maytag DC would dominate and everyone would agree all the extra capacity is just not worth it.

 

I sort clothes, and I wash in divided loads. I can fit a comforter in my Queen and it washes well. I have never had a need for a larger wash tub.
 
@neptunebob-

 

Jerome has worded it better than I can. But I think it boils down to the fact people hate doing laundry and let everything pile up until there aren't any clean clothes, towels and bed sheets available. They then stuff everything into one load, dry everything in one load, then repeat the cycle.

 

If it all fits, and it all appears reasonably clean, then the average consumer doesn't see anything wrong to get bothered by.

 

Me- I sort loads into bed sheets, delicates, undergarments, comforters, rags, jeans/shirts/socks, hang dry, ect.

 

Each load gets its own cycle and temperature.

 

Bed sheets go on warm (colored) or hot (allergy, white sheets). Washed in the Permanent press cycle because of the first spin being slow.

 

Rags, very dirty towels, soiled underwear, and socks are washed in hot. Heavy time, regular cycle, two or three Tide pods. 

 

Jeans in warm wash, regular cycle.

 

Shirts, average towels, pants, ect warm wash regular cycle. 

 

Undergarments, dresses, panties, cold or cold topped with warm, delicate cycle, Woolite detergent.

 

Nightgowns, casuals, ect warm wash delicate cycle.

 

Comforters washed in hot water, delicate cycle then set to one final spin on the regular cycle before being put into the dryer. 

 

Soak cycle as a prewash for heavily soiled items, will pause the timer if extra soak time is needed.

 

Water level set to match the load size.

 

Extra rinse if needed. Softener added to the final rinse if desired.

 

One Tide pod works 90% of the time, two or three if the load is soiled enough.

 

It works. No larger tub necessary. 

 

 
 
I watch the full seven minute video

There was only about 45 seconds worth of information there, I would conclude by saying the guy doesn’t know s..t.

It’s really sad how little people in the Appliance industry know, the TR and the TC tub is the same for example, and if you want a big Speed Queen today, it’s called the frontload Speed Queen it will do a larger load then the Toploader, and even the new Toploader that they may bring out now and you don’t have to wait for it.

This guy has a lot of phobias and weird information, I would not plan on ever watching one of his videos again.

John.
 
sorting laundry properly

People still don't get it when it comes to sorting laundry properly. My family has always sorted laundry properly even with huge loads. My 3.2 GE that I had handled it well, shockingly considered how cheaply well it was built. It all boils down to how much laundry detergent, fabric softener, and bleach you use depending on what you're washing. I'd rather do laundry properly than shove everything into 1 unsorted load on cold water.
 
how I do laundry

This is how I do my laundry and it goes like this:
Whites: hot wash, normal cycle, heavy soil with bleach.
Light colors: warm wash, normal cycle, heavy soil.
Dark colors: cold wash, normal cycle, heavy soil.
I use fabric softener on everything when desired. I use it all the time.
I use however many pods according to the soil level or size of the load.
1 for small to medium loads, 2 for large loads, and 3 for super loads.
If people would just pay attention to what they're doing, we wouldn't be in this position of getting bigger machines. Most people are just too stupid when it comes to laundry. Stuffing everything into a giant load, washing everything on cold... I could go on and on.
Don't even get me started on poor maintenance. What do people expect?
 
Capacity

I have to say that capacity was the deciding factor on our recent purchase of LG. We have king sized comforters and large dog beds needing weekly laundering at least.

My heart was set on a Miele washer and dryer, but after seeing them in person, my heart sank knowing that my husband would never go for it. Even the Miele Little Giants are the same capacity as their W series washers, which amazes me. If Miele would ever make large American-sized units, that would be the dream.

With that being said, I also am a believer in separating laundry, and picking cycles and temps according to color, fabric, soil, etc. whenever called for.
 
Miele's previous attempt at uber-sized American style washers was model 48xx which was by most accounts a disaster. Indeed Bosch also tried their hands about same time with NEXXT large washer and they too had issues. Both Miele and Bosch withdrew their large machines subsequently and haven't bothered since.

Largest size Miele washers sold in USA hold about 20lbs of wash. This is about same rated capacity as smallest offerings from commercial/laundromat machines such as SQ, Dexter, and so on.

Miele does have their "professional" range of washers and dryers available in some countries, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.



https://www.mieleusa.com/e/professional-laundry-technology-1015700-c

What sets "Little Giant" line of professional washers and dryers separate from their domestic cousins among other bits is duty cycles and cycle times.
 
Not wishing to stir old pools, but what exactly do Americans have laundry wise that they insist on huge H-axis washing machines.

As stated smallest commercial/OPL/laundromat washers start at range of 18-24lbs, that is buckets of capacity for most normal household use.

In Europe and elsewhere most households long have sent big or bulky things out to laundries or use larger washers at laundromats. IMHO this seems a far more practical solution than frequently turning to domestic washing machines that may or may not be able to cope with being pushed into such routine service.

About 11kg is top range for front loaders in Europe, which again seems like buckets of capacity for normal purposes.

https://www.currys.co.uk/techtalk/k...ry-advice/washing-machine-capacity-guide.html
 
14 kg is the most I have seen in Germany (without jumping up in size to US washers). It's a Hoover washer with probably the worst laundry to volume ratio I have come across. 31 lbs. in a 2.9 cucic feet drum. Would love to see the origami magic that is needed to fit all that in there.
 
pressing questions

I would ask these pressing questions, but I have a feeling that I won't get a straight answer. I would like to know. Will they go to a dual action agitator with the short/fast stroke? What will they do next? Speed Queen, if you are reading this, please tell me. We would like to know.
 
Funny enough, we HAVE US machines here by LG and Samsung.

They are rated up to 18kg, which is just shy of 40lbs.

Their biggest issue comes down to EU homes not having hot water for the laundry setup usually AND them wanting to suit situations where the washer isn't on its own electric circuit - so they limit the washer to 2kW of heating power instead of the theoretical 3.6kW max total if it was on its own standard circuit.

Heating 40lbs of laundry plus like 80lbs of water from tap cold to hot takes eternities.
Professional machines run at 14-18kW of heating power for that size load.

To add to the Hoover load size absurdity:
They make a combo washer dryer in the EU size that is rated to wash and dry 9kg (20lbs) in that 83l (2.9cuft) drum non stop.
Takes exactly 10h on the label cycle.

Easiest thing I found to picture load sizes was a comparison used by appliances online in their product videos - one regular T-Shirt is about 200g.
So 5 T-Shirts are 1kg, or about 2 T-Shirts per pound.

So 45 T-Shirts to wash and dry - or 70 T-Shirts just to wash.
 
Not using the full potential of Euro electric

Yeah, my Duet does have hot/cold inlets but I kinda still wished it would draw 3kW for heating. And as Henrik mentioned, there was/is no hot-water outlet in any of the places I installed my washer (except for one).

That reminds me of the American Bosch Nexxt washer that made it over here. Bosch did adapt the cycle to the European market--- but took away the hot fill and left the small American heater in there! 3+ cubic foot drum full of coldd, wet clothes and only 1,000 watts to heat. I should dig up the manual and see how long the 194F wash took.
 
Bosch Logixx 9 / Nexxt

One of the most bizarre decisions I ever saw on a washer, indeed.

They had to change the ENTIRE electrical system for the EU version.
They had to create a new heater spec to run at the lower wattage with the higher voltage - and yet STILL decided to use the lower wattage.

Using an existing heater from a different EU washer would have been a better choice.

A boilwash was 200min.
The 60C was surprisingly decent at 130-150min depending on setting.

Really no idea why they did that.
 
The Aussie Neptune was the same. From memory the element was 1100 watts, if you let it cold fill, it would run for 3 hours to heat to 60.

My duet is cold fill only, but it has a 2200 watt element. It takes around 2 hours for a cottons 60 with two rinses.
 
Like Miele Bosch made a huge deal about introducing their NEXXT washer and dryer line. Things looked good on paper and both sets appealed to those wanting European front loaders with promised American uber sized capacity.



Where Bosch did have it over Miele was they built their large washers in USA. Miele OTOH imported those huge 48XX washers and matching dryers from Europe. That of course made them very expensive.

Ironically W1 line of washers (IIRC) has same or greater capacity than Miele's 48xx machines. IIRC owners manual for 48xx washers stated they should only be loaded to about half or three quarter drum capacity for "normal" cotton/linens. What was point then of having such a huge washer if one couldn't use drum to fullest?

Miele's other washer introduced at same time, the 3XXX series actually had greater capacity than 48XX. This especially because one could load the thing like Miele washers of old.
 
One keeps rabbiting on about capacity because at least for normal/cottons/linens h-axis washers are happiest when loaded to full rated capacity. There are far less issues with spinning, OOB, etc... when washer is fully loaded.



Modern front loaders with fully computer controlled motors and drum rhythms are some what better at coping with OOB, but at what cost. Some machines will faff about for what seems like ages in aid of attempting to distribute load so can spin. Many times machines won't spin or will do so at reduced rpm because it just couldn't cope.

On another note owner of Samsung machine above states clearly despite having a washer with uber sized capacity he's still doing multiple loads. That's because after sorting there often isn't 18kg of whatever to be washed.
 
I remember when I was a kid we had a 380V 3 phase outlet in the basement for the washer which was state of the art in the 60s but unfortunately didn`t persist for long.
Many washers back then had a weaker and a stronger 220V element to either connect the strong one into a 10A lightning circuit or both paralleled into a 16A 220V circuit or in series to 380V for seriously fast heating.
Apparently people didn`t like the extra cost of having their washer wired, so they disappeared in the 70s.
Then we still could choose between 10 and 16A models as a 220V plug and play solution with 16A models definitely dominating the market.
Then the Berlin Wall fell in 89 and soon after Germany was reunited all washers and dishwashers were limited to 10A. The wiring in the former GDR was terribly bad and water volumes were already low enough to get decently fast heating with lower wattage.
Now capacity has been getting larger and larger and I wonder why the engineers missed to go back to at least tried and proven 3000 Watts 16A elements. Cycle times are getting so ridiculously long.

Apologies to OP for getting so off topic!
 
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