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Eddie, that is one of my dreams. A full line of EM speed Queens with manual water level selection and temperature control. It would be nice of Kenmore was still around and seeing a full line of Kenmore built Speed Queens.

 

Jerome! Indeed. Thats how I envision a Speed Queen based Kenmore lineup.   
 
Not overpriced, priced as one would expect when the inflation of raw materials is taken into account. 

 

 

Consider this 2 speed Kenmore washers which roughly has the same capacity, features, cycles, cleaning capabilities, and metal content was advertised at $219 in 1972. In today's money that would be $1,647.95.

 

At <span class="MuiTypography-root jss916 MuiTypography-h3 MuiTypography-alignCenter" style="color: #000000;" data-avb-product-price="" data-uw-rm-sr="">$1,429.00 the Speed Queen is economically priced.
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<span class="MuiTypography-root jss916 MuiTypography-h3 MuiTypography-alignCenter" style="color: #000000;" data-avb-product-price="" data-uw-rm-sr="">Given Speed Queen will outlast a washer at 1/3 the price several times over along with the added performance and durability of a Speed Queen makes </span><span class="MuiTypography-root jss916 MuiTypography-h3 MuiTypography-alignCenter" style="color: #000000;" data-avb-product-price="" data-uw-rm-sr="">$1,429.00 a bargain in the long run.
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I figured it was another TC5/DC5

Honestly, I don't mind SQ of coming out with different color options. Personally, I think one color option isn't very appealing to some shoppers especially me. Not to mention white is a boring color in my honest opinion. I also think it's boring if I were to have two products that are exactly the same. So if I were to own two SQ TC5/DC5 or whatever, it'd be perfect if I had a white TC5/DC5 for my house and a black TC5/DC5 for my cabin. Overall, I think that black TC5/DC5 looks really good. It reminds me of when Kenmore used to have black models for their direct drive top loaders. If only they could've made a white TC5 with the same back panel as the TR5, I also would've liked that as well (Kenmore did it before). Now here's the deal breaker. I've noticed the black version is also more expensive like their other black models. To me, it doesn't make alot of sense to buy something that's the same thing but a little extra cause of a color change. I would've maybe considered if it was like a $50 difference but not for like $100 or more. The only exception I would've made is if SQ was still offering their FF7/DF7 in stainless steel cause that's one of the best looking sets I've ever seen. But even if they were still making the stainless steel models today, at this point there's just no way I'd ever afford it. Actually there's no current SQ set I'd buy today because of the price, at least brand new that is whether it's residential or commercial. Before the pandemic, I would've maybe considered it especially the TC5 when it used to be like $1039 according to Lorain Furniture and Appliance from what I recall. As of now, if I really wanted a SQ, the used marketplace is my better option especially the ones with mechanical timers on them cause they'd be my preferred choice. However, I could get a used direct drive Kenmore for alot cheaper than a used SQ top loader which in my opinion does a better job and arguably one of if not the best top loaders ever sold on the market. I got my Kenmore 90 Series for free.
 
Speed Queen Washer 140 OPM agitation

I would picture the Speed Queen Washer going at 140 OPM during agitation with a 210 degrees arc to turnover huge loads with a dual action agitator on heavy duty in addition to a deep rinse. I would also envision a large tub that fills completely to take on huge loads at about 4.0 cubic feet. All stainless steel of course.
 
1500 bucks just for the washer?

They aren't $1500. The dealers here (and online) have them priced at $1329.

When I purchased my Speed Queen TC5 3 months ago, it was $1150 delivered and installed with free SQ drain hose extension. Free haul away of the old machine too. From a local dealer that services what they sell.

These aren't sold at big box stores, and local sellers can actually negotiate, because there is better markup. Go to the store and look, I was expecting to get free delivery at best, but was pleasantly surprised, and did much better.

It is ridiculous they want extra for flat black. I would expect to pay $200 less.
 
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You'd be very hard pressed not to purchase a new TC5 here in Honolulu for $1800, the sole SQ dealer in the entire state wants $1500 for the appliance alone.
Tack on another $300 for freight to Honolulu and you can be the proud owner of a new TC5.
If you live on the one of Neighbor islands you can look forward to additional freight charges.
There's simply not enough demand for SQ laundry appliances here that the dealer does not stock them.
Instead, the uninformed consumer will be duped into buying a Whirlpool, GE or Korean branded POS machine from either HD or Lowes, and push it to the curb 5 years after, if they are lucky...
 
better yet...

Speed Queen could make their transmissions do a neutral drain similar to what Whirlpool did. The agitation should be at 140+ OPM at 210+ degrees arc of agitation with a dual action agitator for big, dirty, bulky loads of heavyweight cottons. If Speed Queen Home EVER did ATC, they could set it where the cold is always targeted at the optimal temperature, even during wintertime. They could've had detergent, bleach, and fabric softeners that flow the water them at the correct time. That's how I would've envisioned an upgraded Speed Queen Home washer with upgraded transmission. All steel inside and out of course. Chetlaham, I know what you're thinking.
 
Speed Queen top load washers neutral drain

All Speed Queen TR series top load washers do a neutral drain and all conventional transmission models do a neutral drain sold in Canada, Australia, and other countries have a separate electric drain pump to accomplish a neutral drain.

They have stayed with the cheaper to build direct driven water pump For US machines where people tend to use clothes dryers and they don’t notice all the redeposited grit and lint that spin draining causes I suspect in time they will change here as well. At some point they’ll probably be forced to put a more efficient motor in the TC series and get rid of the , direct driven pump, if they put an inverter motor in the TC series, they would have much better control over agitation speed, and they would eliminate the problem with wearing out belts because they wouldn’t have the clutching idler pulley problem. I suspect it will come at some point.

John
 
Speed Queen Direct Drive

There may be a time where Speed Queen will adopt the direct drive system while maintaining some of their other traits. They could add flow through laundry detergent, bleach, and fabric softener dispensers or bulk ones. Also, I forgot to add that water recirculation should be added so it will run during agitation during wash and rinse cycles.
 
slow long strokes

I've used washers with long strokes, including the Speed Queen Classic. There may be a time where Speed Queen Home will have to upgrade their transmission to a shorter/faster stroke similar to what Whirlpool did with their direct drive units.
 
Short, fast strokes are definitely not necessary for complete rollover. My VMW Whirlpool uses long, slow strokes and I can assure you that loads roll over perfectly well even using the auto sense feature. I've also used the old-school Whirlpool belt drives, as well as Pitman transmission Maytags, which use long slow strokes and there is definitely a good amount of rollover going on in those machines. Fast-stroke machines like direct drives are often overly aggressive for no reason. And I even liked my direct drive when I had one, but wish it had come equipped with a separate speed control knob. I would likely have only used the fastest speed for heavy loads like towels in that case.

Ryne
 
I would have chosen water level control over color...

I have been happy with my older model Maytag mvwp575gw, which is over six years old now. Only replaced the inexpensive agit dogs (a few dollars when purchased from eBay). With this in mind and given the limited availability of Speed Queen and prices in some areas (some in my area sell above MSRP), I tend to think most in all income brackets would have chosen water level control over color. Not sure why they couldn't have both but...

My appliances don't have to be the same brand, but I do prefer the same color. It's going to be a lot harder to match a black one. But a different color would bother me a LOT more. Most washers and dryers are in their own room or in a closet. Some like mine could be in a room also used as an entrance, but still I doubt that's the case in higher end homes where SQ seems to market to. I am guessing they were getting a few more sales from people like me but now will lose them for decisions like this. Here's why.

I do think you will get more years out of the SQ. If there is enough difference in price, that doesn't really matter in the end to me. I hate it for the landfills, but with the Maytag now with water level control (my ONLY real complaint) I'm not really spending any more money for the actual years of use based on what *I* would pay for those models where I live. It's also a lot easier to find the Maytag model with more choices for how to pay and delivery options.

How many gallons of water does the Maytag mvwp586 use to wash its different size loads now?

The Speed Queen's Normal Eco uses 13 gallons and 16 gallons with deep fill.

Other cycles uses 14.5, 16, or 19 depending on cycle chosen and if deep fill is selected.

I don't know, but doesn't seem to be the best marketing decision on SQ's part. They could have at least thrown in a water level control...

As for me...I already have the SQ TC5 that I purchased when I needed a new dryer. I just assumed the MT would break like everyone says it would, but it's still washing full loads, and I'm using the TC5 for half loads.

Yep, I still have that third washer too.

My plan is to use the Magic Chef until it breaks for even smaller loads since I already have it and then replace it with something portable from Laundry Alternatives. At some point, I will just have one full-size washer and one portable. Sometimes, certain things just need to have their own load OR I will just have to use more water than necessary for those loads. Not my first choice, but that's what the end result of the gov. well intentioned but not well researched eco regulations are.
 
 
The gallons cited above are for one fill, yes?  A wash & deep rinse is x 2.  SQ's Normal Eco is a shower rinse by default, deep rinse with Extra Rinse selected.

A black TC5 is now shown on SQ's website, tagged as "Coming Soon" model TC5003BN vs. TC5003WN for white.
 
Yes, gallons are "per fill". Wash and rinse.

Eco cycle = 12.5 gallons per fill or 14.5 gallons with deep fill.
Permanent Press/Heavy Duty = 14.5 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deepfill.
Delicates/Bulky = 16 gallons per fill or 19 gallons with deep fill.

I find the bulky setting perfect for full loads, "deep fill" is only about 1.5" higher in water level. I never do small loads, it's a waste.

My old Maytag had variable water level. Never used it once in 35 years.
 
William, then you should have gotten one of these!
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In all seriousness your Speed Queen TC is a great machine! I never asked, how are you enjoying your TC now that you've had it? How does it compare to your Maytag. I was almost as happy as you were when it arrived LOL. I love seeing a Speed Queen being placed into service.  

https://www.pcrichard.com/speed-que...load-washer-with-agitator-white/TV2000WN.html
 
Why?

That machine has 3 temp settings instead of 4, less cycles, and no labor warranty. I don't see any advantage. Besides, the local dealer will not sell them. He said too many didn't understand the no warranty part. and got upset.

I love the TC5 so far. Washes everything very well in 35 minutes, just like the old Maytag. And spins out the water better. I wash everything on "cool" or "hot", on the bulky setting.
There is someone here who claims you need the harsher agitation from "heavy duty", and it's the ONLY cycle to use? Not sure what he is doing to get his clothes so filthy.

Time will tell for the rest, I've probably only done 35 - 38 loads so far. Only 2-3 a week.
 
Its not the harsher agitation, rather energy regulations striking again. His model is located in a laundry mat which unless set to heavy duty defaults to an energy saving spray rinse.

 

 

The model I linked has an EM control model, giving the user more flexibility. With you using only high water level and mostly the bulky  cycle, I'd imagine the fewer cycles would not an inconvenience.  

 

However, if you're happy with your TC-5 then I am happy. Thats all I want to hear! :) 

 

I hope you fall in Love with your TC5 as you continue to do more laundry.  

 

I fantasize about Speed Queen becoming the dominant washer platform in North America. 
 
Not sure what model he uses, as he refers to it as a SQ Classic? And tells everyone to get a TC5 and ONLY use heavy duty.

I don't miss the EM dial on the Maytag at all. Not sure how it offers more flexibility. I could set it from 2 to 12 minutes agitation. Always set it to 8, which coincidentally is the same as the SQ bulky cycle.. There are options with the TC5 as well, by choosing different cycles for longer agitation time.

I no longer have to rotate the dial for each load. Just touch the start button. Very simple.
 

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