I'm with you! Let the machine drain on high for 3 minutes, then start the spray rinse. Let the tub come up to speed, even on low, before letting water enter the tub.
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The good news is neither of you are engineers and dozens and dozens of people on this site and thousands and thousands of people have TC five machines nationwide and I have never heard a complaint from anybody about its performance in regards to rinsing or spinning the clothes out properly.
There’s no point in making up perceived problems which really aren’t problems at all.
John
The good news is neither of you are engineers and dozens and dozens of people on this site and thousands and thousands of people have TC five machines nationwide and I have never heard a complaint from anybody about its performance in regards to rinsing or spinning the clothes out properly.
There’s no point in making up perceived problems which really aren’t problems at all.
John
John is now triggered.
Plenty of videos show the spray rinse starting with the tub still full of water.
Most people will put up with what they don't understand. Altering their habits around the problem, blaming themselves, instead of being able to identify the actual problem.
Plenty of videos show the spray rinse starting with the tub still full of water.
Most people will put up with what they don't understand. Altering their habits around the problem, blaming themselves, instead of being able to identify the actual problem.
engineer
I don't need to be an engineer to know that something is wrong. Plain and simple. All I have to do is observe. Period. It doesn't matter if observations are made in person or by watching videos. The results are the same. Any prudent person will tell you something's wrong or seems off.[this post was last edited: 9/8/2024-23:20]
I don't need to be an engineer to know that something is wrong. Plain and simple. All I have to do is observe. Period. It doesn't matter if observations are made in person or by watching videos. The results are the same. Any prudent person will tell you something's wrong or seems off.[this post was last edited: 9/8/2024-23:20]
panasonicvac
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Enlighten me more on videos showing how the first spins are slower and how spray n' rinses aren't doing a proper job during the spin cycle.
video
Let the video speak for itself.
Let the video speak for itself.
Easy!
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Nothing is accomplished by spraying saturated clothes with water, the fresh water just runs off. Given that there are still 10 gallons of water in the tub, those few quarts of spray do nothing to significantly dilute it.
The goal is to spin all the soapy water out of the cloth first until damp, spray such that the clothes become fully saturated as to dilute the remaining amount of residual soapy water, let the spin pull that diluted water out, then repeat two or three times more if doing a spray rinse system or advance to deep rinse.
Jerome, don't worry about you not having studied engineering (yet). John claims that motor based braking is accomplished by dropping power than instantaneously energizing that stator with a phase sequence rotating in the opposite direction. Apparently 7 billion people have been doing it wrong all these years by using simple DC injection that doesn't violate the laws of conservation or physics. How could we have not known better all along?
36:52 on Normal Eco:
7:44
15:28
Nothing is accomplished by spraying saturated clothes with water, the fresh water just runs off. Given that there are still 10 gallons of water in the tub, those few quarts of spray do nothing to significantly dilute it.
The goal is to spin all the soapy water out of the cloth first until damp, spray such that the clothes become fully saturated as to dilute the remaining amount of residual soapy water, let the spin pull that diluted water out, then repeat two or three times more if doing a spray rinse system or advance to deep rinse.
Jerome, don't worry about you not having studied engineering (yet). John claims that motor based braking is accomplished by dropping power than instantaneously energizing that stator with a phase sequence rotating in the opposite direction. Apparently 7 billion people have been doing it wrong all these years by using simple DC injection that doesn't violate the laws of conservation or physics. How could we have not known better all along?
studying engineering
I've never studied engineering, but that doesn't mean I need to to know that something is wrong. The 2014 and earlier washers had the normal/heavy duty cycle right all along when the motor always spun the tub at high speed both for intermediate and final spins, which made more sense. The spray rinse started later during intermediate spin which saturated all the clothes therefore, diluting the wash solution.
I've never studied engineering, but that doesn't mean I need to to know that something is wrong. The 2014 and earlier washers had the normal/heavy duty cycle right all along when the motor always spun the tub at high speed both for intermediate and final spins, which made more sense. The spray rinse started later during intermediate spin which saturated all the clothes therefore, diluting the wash solution.
low speed first spin and early spray rinse
The low speed first spin would make sense for permanent press and delicate cycles. When it does that on heavy duty let alone every single cycle, it's annoying when trying to wash heavy items like towels and jeans. Do I have soap residue? No! But it doesn't matter if there is soap residue or not. All interim spin speeds should be at high and the spray rinse should run with the tub at full speed. That's what liquifies suds and kills them. My GE filter-flo always spun at full speed when you had the machine on the normal speed, and same with Speed Queen Classic design from 2014 and earlier when set to normal fabrics. it should be fast/fast, period. running the water in an empty tub while it continues to spin at full speed insures that all the clothes have water forced through them. This in turn helps dilutes washwater. When fabric softener is added, It is turned into even more of a solution.
How do I know? My GE filter-flo did that. When the downy ball opened, the softener was turned into a solution without being drained out. Instead, the softener dispensed and went into the outer tub after the spin cycle stopped only for it to be recirculated and mixed thoroughly during the final rinse agitation. That's how it should be with the Speed Queen Classic. Just saying.[this post was last edited: 9/9/2024-13:15]
The low speed first spin would make sense for permanent press and delicate cycles. When it does that on heavy duty let alone every single cycle, it's annoying when trying to wash heavy items like towels and jeans. Do I have soap residue? No! But it doesn't matter if there is soap residue or not. All interim spin speeds should be at high and the spray rinse should run with the tub at full speed. That's what liquifies suds and kills them. My GE filter-flo always spun at full speed when you had the machine on the normal speed, and same with Speed Queen Classic design from 2014 and earlier when set to normal fabrics. it should be fast/fast, period. running the water in an empty tub while it continues to spin at full speed insures that all the clothes have water forced through them. This in turn helps dilutes washwater. When fabric softener is added, It is turned into even more of a solution.
How do I know? My GE filter-flo did that. When the downy ball opened, the softener was turned into a solution without being drained out. Instead, the softener dispensed and went into the outer tub after the spin cycle stopped only for it to be recirculated and mixed thoroughly during the final rinse agitation. That's how it should be with the Speed Queen Classic. Just saying.[this post was last edited: 9/9/2024-13:15]
The first video linked in Reply# 105 perfectly shows a disadvantage of spin-drain, particularly when underloaded ... the items float and twist and gather into a wad which promotes off-balance. That doesn't happen on neutral drain which has the items settle down in the basket as distributed by agitation.
Jerome, you yourself don't need to be an engineer to see the obvious.
With that said, engineering can be fun. I made you something Jerome in your defense about John said about you, do you like it?
With that said, engineering can be fun. I made you something Jerome in your defense about John said about you, do you like it?
Dadoes: 105 is not under-loaded, rather the water level is to high thanks to the TC5's lack of manual water level selection. Something Jerome has been saying all along and no one listened.
Neutral drain can not and should not mask wasted water.
Neutral drain can not and should not mask wasted water.
washer observations
All it takes is an observation of each wash cycle on the washer to sens that something seems off. I wish Speed Queen could've updated their transmission's agitation to take on big loads. Not that it's needed, but it would give a real advantage for them to compete along with a big tub and dual action agitator. They could've done if they really wanted to take on the laundry leaders.
All it takes is an observation of each wash cycle on the washer to sens that something seems off. I wish Speed Queen could've updated their transmission's agitation to take on big loads. Not that it's needed, but it would give a real advantage for them to compete along with a big tub and dual action agitator. They could've done if they really wanted to take on the laundry leaders.
IMO, Speed Queens agitation is perfect as is. Dual action agitators were used on belt driven Whirlpools which had a long slow stroke relative to the DDs. Those did great. Speed Queens transmission is generously sized and can handle the largest of loads. They have to, Speed Queen works everyday in commercial environments that are know not to be nice.
<blockquote>105 is not under-loaded, rather the water level is to high</blockquote> Underloading, or overloading, is per the load size being suitable for a given fill level. That being the lowest provided fill level for a TC5, then it is underloaded due to the obvious problem that repeatedly occurs.
Right, on TC5s its either hit or miss auto fill or a user selected full tub. There is nothing in between, no manually controlled variable water level control.
What do you mean by "auto fill"? That would imply it fills on the amount of clothes you put in, like some washers do. The TC5 doesn't do that.
I use bulky - 16 gallons. I looked how full that is, and it's perfect for a full load. Why would I do a half load? Why would anybody? I don't want to spend twice as much time doing laundry. Or twice the energy drying it.
I use bulky - 16 gallons. I looked how full that is, and it's perfect for a full load. Why would I do a half load? Why would anybody? I don't want to spend twice as much time doing laundry. Or twice the energy drying it.
What is the imaginary problem again?
Pre 2018 models acted like your Maytag where they spun up to top speed before spray rinsing.
There were issues with Speed Queen washers oversudsing stand pipes and Speed Queens (poor) way of dealing with it was spinning out the water at low speed. There isn't a problem with that but they should have kicked the speed up to fast after most of the water was out of the tub before spray rinsing. This extracts much more dirt/water/detergent out of the clothes. Also, the higher spin speed whips the spray rinse water around for much better distribution instead of aiming it at the bottom of the tub where it's missing nearly 75% of the clothes.
Here's how the pre 2018 models spun and spray rinsed:
Pre 2018 models acted like your Maytag where they spun up to top speed before spray rinsing.
There were issues with Speed Queen washers oversudsing stand pipes and Speed Queens (poor) way of dealing with it was spinning out the water at low speed. There isn't a problem with that but they should have kicked the speed up to fast after most of the water was out of the tub before spray rinsing. This extracts much more dirt/water/detergent out of the clothes. Also, the higher spin speed whips the spray rinse water around for much better distribution instead of aiming it at the bottom of the tub where it's missing nearly 75% of the clothes.
Here's how the pre 2018 models spun and spray rinsed:
