Scraping food chunks off the dishware is a different thing vs. substantially rinsing them "clean" under a running faucet.
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Scraping food chunks off the dishware is a different thing vs. substantially rinsing them "clean" under a running faucet.
In 50+ Years I Have NEVER Seen A DW Clogged With FOOD
Food breaks down in any modern DW if the correct cycles and detergents are used etc.
NO MANUFACTURER recommends pre-rinsing dishes before loading in the DW, it can damage and greatly shorten the life of a DW by always running it with clean dishes, to say nothing of ruining the finish on your DISHES.
John L.
Food breaks down in any modern DW if the correct cycles and detergents are used etc.
NO MANUFACTURER recommends pre-rinsing dishes before loading in the DW, it can damage and greatly shorten the life of a DW by always running it with clean dishes, to say nothing of ruining the finish on your DISHES.
John L.
But you'd certainly buy a Power Clean Alex. No more stink or clog.
panasonicvac
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Powerclean?
What's a powerclean?
What's a powerclean?
These, the best cleaning and most energy efficient dishwashers ever created:
True load and go with zero pre-rinsing.
True load and go with zero pre-rinsing.
panasonicvac
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I see
Looks similar to my grandparents' and uncle's (then later brother's) Whirlpool. They were good dishwashers but not my favorite because I remember they were rather too noisy for me. That's one of the reasons why I like my KitchenAid the best, I prefer quieter dishwashers. If I had to replace mine, I'd get another one. Unless if I came across with a Power Clean for super cheap or even free for washing other things like my vacuum parts then I wouldn't mind owning one of those in like a garage or basement workshop if I could.
Looks similar to my grandparents' and uncle's (then later brother's) Whirlpool. They were good dishwashers but not my favorite because I remember they were rather too noisy for me. That's one of the reasons why I like my KitchenAid the best, I prefer quieter dishwashers. If I had to replace mine, I'd get another one. Unless if I came across with a Power Clean for super cheap or even free for washing other things like my vacuum parts then I wouldn't mind owning one of those in like a garage or basement workshop if I could.
The noise is dwarfed by the machine's cleaning abilities. Quiet does not equal better. The noise is from having a motor capable of through washing, maceration and flushing soils away. You'll never pre-rinse a dish again or do much pre-treating. You can pack the machine to the point things are on top of one another and everything will always come out spotless. You don't know what you're missing I think.
panasonicvac
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No I'm not missing out, again the Power Cleans (which I've in fact used) were good but not convincing enough for me to switch over because of the noise. Not to mention I'd rather not get a used dishwasher for my kitchen unless if I had no choice. My KitchenAid works just as well as a Power Clean since I've used them both long enough (I always thought they were just called Whirlpool Gold instead of Power Clean). Here's why I prefer pre rinsing my dishes out. I run my dishwasher about once a week. By loading the soiled dishes inside and letting it sit for a while before running is what's causing the smell, worse than letting the dishes sit in the sink. While my KitchenAid has yet had a clog (and based on the design it doesn't look like it would), I'm not risking clogging it since I'm no expert on taking apart or repairing dishwashers and I'm certainly not paying to have someone unclog it. I had to have someone come out long distance to fix my apartment Crosley dishwasher when it got clogged more than once by not pre rinsing. And last but not least, by pre rinsing I'm letting my faucet bleed out the cold water on the dishes before it gets hot enough to start the dishwasher since by starting it I'm already getting hot water which I like. By doing all of that I'm pretty sure that still saved more water than what our first dishwasher used, one of those models where it filled like 15 gallons I think. In the end here, everybody can use and do what they prefer. I'm doing what some other members like Tim (wayupnorth) do with their dishes and I'll also stick with quieter dishwashers.
The thing is, a Power Clean will never clog. Power-cleans come with energy saver, light wash and normal cycles that only use 4.8 and 6.9 gallons of water. This would be an excellent option for partial loads. Or, you could use a 2.2 gallon rinse and hold before running a full wash and dry. Pre-rinsing uses far more water, and with that said you're basically missing a soapy sponge and handwashing them altogether.
The way I see it 32-46 minutes of noise (Short/Normal/Regular Power Clean Cycles are Quick) is worth not having to pre-rinse or worry about clogging. I think people who dismiss Power Cleans have never utilized or realized their full potential.
But to each his own.
The way I see it 32-46 minutes of noise (Short/Normal/Regular Power Clean Cycles are Quick) is worth not having to pre-rinse or worry about clogging. I think people who dismiss Power Cleans have never utilized or realized their full potential.
But to each his own.
I haven't had a dishwasher clog as established from the first one the family got circa 1975/76, nor has prerinsing been established, and I discovered with the first that running Rinse/Hold caused much more odor than not.
Again, no dishwasher has ever been clogged with food
Because people were not pre-rinsing the dishes, I would like to see proof of that what could possibly clog inside a drain line or something that could’ve easily been rinsed off a dish it’s just not possible dishwashers were never designed to have clean dishes run through them. They simply aren’t engineered and built to run, clean dishes through them from the very beginning of machines manufacturers always touted how you could just put the dishes in dirty and they came out clean.
I know some people who don’t use the dishwasher frequently. Find it handy to use it that way and they can. It’s their dishes and their dishwasher but it can greatly shorten the life of both , but if you use it in frequently it may work for you.
John L
Because people were not pre-rinsing the dishes, I would like to see proof of that what could possibly clog inside a drain line or something that could’ve easily been rinsed off a dish it’s just not possible dishwashers were never designed to have clean dishes run through them. They simply aren’t engineered and built to run, clean dishes through them from the very beginning of machines manufacturers always touted how you could just put the dishes in dirty and they came out clean.
I know some people who don’t use the dishwasher frequently. Find it handy to use it that way and they can. It’s their dishes and their dishwasher but it can greatly shorten the life of both , but if you use it in frequently it may work for you.
John L
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I have the MDB4949 with the large wash arms as shown. I do a quick rinse before loading, but sometimes some food gets missed. Occasionally, I will open the door to unload and find a stray noodle fragment or piece of lettuce. Last week, there was a nickel size piece of crust waiting for me. It's no big deal to take a swipe with a wet towel, but should that even be necessary?
I have the MDB4949 with the large wash arms as shown. I do a quick rinse before loading, but sometimes some food gets missed. Occasionally, I will open the door to unload and find a stray noodle fragment or piece of lettuce. Last week, there was a nickel size piece of crust waiting for me. It's no big deal to take a swipe with a wet towel, but should that even be necessary?
MDB7979SHZ0
I have an MDB7979SHZ0 and while its rare to find food on the plate, sometimes bigger chunks like a noodle, lettuce or eff end up on the grate at the end of the wash cycle. I hate it. With a Whirlpool Power Clean module such bits slip through the wide opening, chopped up and flushed away. Tall tubs do not have true soil removal. And of course with the weaker spray you can't do a super packed load with things stacked on top of one another.
I have an MDB7979SHZ0 and while its rare to find food on the plate, sometimes bigger chunks like a noodle, lettuce or eff end up on the grate at the end of the wash cycle. I hate it. With a Whirlpool Power Clean module such bits slip through the wide opening, chopped up and flushed away. Tall tubs do not have true soil removal. And of course with the weaker spray you can't do a super packed load with things stacked on top of one another.
Chet why in the hell do you not have power clean dishwasher if you like them so much?
All your talk is just nonsense. You should practice what you preach.
John L
All your talk is just nonsense. You should practice what you preach.
John L
Practice What You Preach
Well, if what I was saying was none sense you wouldn't have a Power Clean Module as a daily driver. By your own words you indicated the tall tubs you tried could not handle realistic levels of food soils and got stinky. So I already know why you prefer a Power Clean.
As to why I don't have a Power Clean: they no longer make them. If I could get a new 2025 Power Clean in box I would order one this minute.
Well, if what I was saying was none sense you wouldn't have a Power Clean Module as a daily driver. By your own words you indicated the tall tubs you tried could not handle realistic levels of food soils and got stinky. So I already know why you prefer a Power Clean.
As to why I don't have a Power Clean: they no longer make them. If I could get a new 2025 Power Clean in box I would order one this minute.
Reply number 34, the only thing I ever said was the original point Voyagers didn’t wash as well in the top rack. Other people confirm that there have been great improvements made since then I am planning on replacing both of my power clean dishwashers with Maytag or KitchenAid three rack models Sometime in the future.
The reason you don’t have one is cause mommy and daddy won’t let you have one. They’re tired of your nonsense too.
You don’t have to look very long to find a power clean machine that’s in nearly new condition. They made millions of them if you really wanted one.
If you put your talents to good use, you could get a decent job and then afford your own appliances and do your own thing rather than just chastising other people about what they should do.
John
The reason you don’t have one is cause mommy and daddy won’t let you have one. They’re tired of your nonsense too.
You don’t have to look very long to find a power clean machine that’s in nearly new condition. They made millions of them if you really wanted one.
If you put your talents to good use, you could get a decent job and then afford your own appliances and do your own thing rather than just chastising other people about what they should do.
John
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panasonicvac
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I clicked on the links, I noticed John mentioned that the Power Cleans were made up to about 2011. So that got me curious. Is my Whirlpool built KitchenAid KUDS30IVBL3 from 2010 a Power Clean model? I don't know. I never really paid much attention to dishwashers.
Your model is a point voyager based on the one-line parts diagram.
