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Believe the last use of the porcelain tubs was for the portable/convertibles. Probably could get away with the telescoping anti-tip leg (rather than needing a ballast weight which PermaTuf would have required). Think these were produced through the 1990s (and also were offered in Canada....they had some weird filteration system mimicking the passive filter on their machines into the 90s with porcelain tubs).
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Introducing The Canadian GSD2800, the GSB2800
Yes, thats right, GSB2800. Not GSD2800, but GSB. Maybe the B stands for better? Ill let you be the judge. I, and I hope other Canadians, like to be ambassadors to our country and what we have to offer appliance wise. Almost everything, except Maytag, is different up here. Symbols, short...
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GE also offered porcelain tubs for their built in versions up to the early 90s. They were BOL builder grade models with a heat dry on/off rocker.
Porcelain tub, Highpoint dishwashers
GE sold these under the hot point and GE name mainly as portables at first because it was easier to build a portable dishwasher where you needed the extra strength of the metal tub and GE was switching to plastic tubs for their dishwashers.
GE also sold low end porcelain tub GE dishwashers for a while in the 80s because there was a serious kickback from their property management accounts because they thought the plastic tub dishwashers would never hold up so GE had these in the line for a while. They were never pushed on a retail basis ironically, the plastic tub GE dishwashers were much more durable and much less leak than the porcelain tub models.
Ironically, the plastic tub models from the early 80s had an energy saver switch that could overheat and catch fire and set the entire dishwasher on fire, GE refused to recall these when they’re in consumers hands, and instead tried to give consumers a discount on a new GE dishwasher which only covered selected models which they marked up in price so it was no deal at all to the consumer, GE maintained that the dishwashers could not be repaired in the field.
The interesting thing was for the companies that owned big apartment buildings full of these dishwashers. They came up with the switch and they came out and fixed them for no charge, somebody in the consumer product safety commission approved them claiming these dishwashers couldn’t be repaired and allow them to only offer a discount on replacements, GE was later forced to repair them for everybody, but unfortunately tens of thousands of perfectly usable dishwashers were thrown away by that time.
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GE sold these under the hot point and GE name mainly as portables at first because it was easier to build a portable dishwasher where you needed the extra strength of the metal tub and GE was switching to plastic tubs for their dishwashers.
GE also sold low end porcelain tub GE dishwashers for a while in the 80s because there was a serious kickback from their property management accounts because they thought the plastic tub dishwashers would never hold up so GE had these in the line for a while. They were never pushed on a retail basis ironically, the plastic tub GE dishwashers were much more durable and much less leak than the porcelain tub models.
Ironically, the plastic tub models from the early 80s had an energy saver switch that could overheat and catch fire and set the entire dishwasher on fire, GE refused to recall these when they’re in consumers hands, and instead tried to give consumers a discount on a new GE dishwasher which only covered selected models which they marked up in price so it was no deal at all to the consumer, GE maintained that the dishwashers could not be repaired in the field.
The interesting thing was for the companies that owned big apartment buildings full of these dishwashers. They came up with the switch and they came out and fixed them for no charge, somebody in the consumer product safety commission approved them claiming these dishwashers couldn’t be repaired and allow them to only offer a discount on replacements, GE was later forced to repair them for everybody, but unfortunately tens of thousands of perfectly usable dishwashers were thrown away by that time.
John
Flammable Slide Switches
I remember that.
GE offered property managers a fix where they would cut the wires to the switch and crimp them either in heated dry on or heated dry off mode. I found many models in apartment piles that had been repaired that way with a Stacon butt splice and a sloppy ribbon of electrical tape . IIRC they latter offered that option to consumers.
"Both the CPSC and GE strongly urge consumers who have not replaced their recalled units under the original rebate program to contact GE right away to schedule a free rewiring or participate in the original rebate program. Until the dishwasher has been rewired, consumers should keep the dishwasher door unlatched at all times to prevent the flow of electrical current that creates a risk of fire."
It is tragic, because, GSD500D, GSD500G and HDA487 (the Hotpoint Permatuff version) were the longest lasting and most reliable dishwashers ever created in the history of humanity by far. The 6 fill cycle versions had a beautiful 50 minute cycle. They were the only GE dishwashers ever created with a no none sense cycle sequence (perhaps even of most any dishwasher) that actually made sense instead of trying to be pointlessly fancy at expense time, water, energy, and complexity. (ie as but one example the 7 fill cycle GSD600G which manages to activate the heating element for 30 seconds in the rinse while the water is pumping out- stupid pointless) I am excluding the Potscrubber cycle extension of course, it was brilliant as implemented on models GSD600D and up. But these D series dishwashers were absolute perfection (minus the slide switch of course) and the few honest attempts at real consumer value without built in obsolescence or attached strings.
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I remember that.
"Both the CPSC and GE strongly urge consumers who have not replaced their recalled units under the original rebate program to contact GE right away to schedule a free rewiring or participate in the original rebate program. Until the dishwasher has been rewired, consumers should keep the dishwasher door unlatched at all times to prevent the flow of electrical current that creates a risk of fire."
It is tragic, because, GSD500D, GSD500G and HDA487 (the Hotpoint Permatuff version) were the longest lasting and most reliable dishwashers ever created in the history of humanity by far. The 6 fill cycle versions had a beautiful 50 minute cycle. They were the only GE dishwashers ever created with a no none sense cycle sequence (perhaps even of most any dishwasher) that actually made sense instead of trying to be pointlessly fancy at expense time, water, energy, and complexity. (ie as but one example the 7 fill cycle GSD600G which manages to activate the heating element for 30 seconds in the rinse while the water is pumping out- stupid pointless) I am excluding the Potscrubber cycle extension of course, it was brilliant as implemented on models GSD600D and up. But these D series dishwashers were absolute perfection (minus the slide switch of course) and the few honest attempts at real consumer value without built in obsolescence or attached strings.
CPSC and GE Announce Free Repair Supplement of Rebate Program for Recalled Dishwashers: Recalled Units Still Being Used, Creating Risk of Fire
With the free rewire option, a GE-authorized technician will rewire the slide switch at no cost to consumers. This supplements the original rebate program announced October 19, 1999.
The plastic-tub Permatuf (Louisville) design was so successful and so inexpensive to manufacture that it really did take over the market. GE could crank out the tubs (once they had the tooling and molds in place--up front cost...little more to them than a plastic swimming pool) for a minimal piece cost---contrast that with the expense of folding/bending/welding/enameling a porcelain tub in an old (Milwaukee?) plant...tough to justify the porcelain process except for specialty applications (portables, as discussed above)
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I had one of those GE models with the drying switch recall. I was living in a apartment than I bought my coop and moved.
I had one of those GE models with the drying switch recall. I was living in a apartment than I bought my coop and moved.
Peter, what did you think of it? Did you use it often? I want to know.
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Chetlaham it was model gsd500 I think. I used it quite often and it cleaned well for a bol model DW! I used it from 1985 till 1998 when I moved! It was also good for it took 120 degree temp and heated water where the whirlpool bol models didnt. Problem was the drying temp switch if you didnt have it all the way to the right or left it presented a fire hazard. I didnt find this out till just before I moved. I didnt hear to many incidents where a fire actually occured.
Peter
Chetlaham it was model gsd500 I think. I used it quite often and it cleaned well for a bol model DW! I used it from 1985 till 1998 when I moved! It was also good for it took 120 degree temp and heated water where the whirlpool bol models didnt. Problem was the drying temp switch if you didnt have it all the way to the right or left it presented a fire hazard. I didnt find this out till just before I moved. I didnt hear to many incidents where a fire actually occured.
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The DW did 3 pre rinses than the main wash. The 1st 8 or 9 minutes were for heating water than the detergent cup would open and it would than wash for 15 minutes more.
So you always got a good heated wash. Than there were 2 rinses. The light wash cycle did one less pre rinse. I wish the DW had a filter although it was no big problem. I didnt like the sound the detergent cup made it was startling when it opened. But for a apartment DW it was good!
The DW did 3 pre rinses than the main wash. The 1st 8 or 9 minutes were for heating water than the detergent cup would open and it would than wash for 15 minutes more.
So you always got a good heated wash. Than there were 2 rinses. The light wash cycle did one less pre rinse. I wish the DW had a filter although it was no big problem. I didnt like the sound the detergent cup made it was startling when it opened. But for a apartment DW it was good!
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Water Use GSD500D vs Latter Models
Here is a comparison-
GSD500D
1998 models like GSD2020ZBB:
Latter models had shorter fill times overall, but had more rinse water change outs. A 66 second fill provides about a 1.9 gallon water charge. If the GSD500D fascia was changed for the following the water use would be:
Heavy: R-R-R-W-R-R 11.4 gallons
Normal: R-R-W-R-R 9.5 gallons
Light: R-W-R-R 7.6 gallons
Reducing all fills to 60 seconds would produce total water consumption similar to early 2000s models.
Here is a comparison-
GSD500D
1998 models like GSD2020ZBB:
Latter models had shorter fill times overall, but had more rinse water change outs. A 66 second fill provides about a 1.9 gallon water charge. If the GSD500D fascia was changed for the following the water use would be:
Heavy: R-R-R-W-R-R 11.4 gallons
Normal: R-R-W-R-R 9.5 gallons
Light: R-W-R-R 7.6 gallons
Reducing all fills to 60 seconds would produce total water consumption similar to early 2000s models.
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Now I remember the chart you displayed for my GSD500D
Now I remember the chart you displayed for my GSD500D
Everyone remembers a GSD500D. Yup- I have the pdf as well as a minty preserved manual. I love this model so much. If I found one barely used or new in box I would seriously consider making it a daily driver knowing it would last forever. Only thing I would do besides finding a way to retrofit the slide switch to a rocket is changing out the sump boot to a new low water one but even those don't hold up like the old black ones. If I had been at your apartment knowing what I know now I would have uninstalled that DW and taken it with me LOL. Be happy you got to experience history, I mean this in a really warm way. There might now be another piece of serious DW engineering ever again.
A good side note is that GSD-500G all the way up to GSD-500X use the same harness and wire sequence for the main molex timer connector. It is possible to easily drop in a 129D9177P13 timer with no or minimal rewiring in any of these models even though the fascia letting would not match the correct cycle start positions. Later GSD600Gs used a rocker switch and still had that legendary long life pump and motor so scoring a NOS rocker 600G would perhaps an even bigger win. Timer 129D9177P13 would drop right in minus the short wash and rinse lettering being off place.
If everyone was like me the 129D9177P13 timer would still be in use but with an orbital wash arm, deep upper rack, power shower and back fine filter.
In fact the 129D9177P13 timer would be so common that it would be available on amazon as "universal GE Hotpoint RCA dishwasher timer replacement fit many models" I like the idea of very long running and common between model parts. I also like the idea of keeping harnesses and connectors the same in appliances such that one timer can fit many models or various timers with various tweaks/cycle improvements can be dropped into any one model without modification giving the user a sequence that suits them favorably.
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A good side note is that GSD-500G all the way up to GSD-500X use the same harness and wire sequence for the main molex timer connector. It is possible to easily drop in a 129D9177P13 timer with no or minimal rewiring in any of these models even though the fascia letting would not match the correct cycle start positions. Later GSD600Gs used a rocker switch and still had that legendary long life pump and motor so scoring a NOS rocker 600G would perhaps an even bigger win. Timer 129D9177P13 would drop right in minus the short wash and rinse lettering being off place.
If everyone was like me the 129D9177P13 timer would still be in use but with an orbital wash arm, deep upper rack, power shower and back fine filter.
In fact the 129D9177P13 timer would be so common that it would be available on amazon as "universal GE Hotpoint RCA dishwasher timer replacement fit many models" I like the idea of very long running and common between model parts. I also like the idea of keeping harnesses and connectors the same in appliances such that one timer can fit many models or various timers with various tweaks/cycle improvements can be dropped into any one model without modification giving the user a sequence that suits them favorably.
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Yes the filter would have made this a almost perfect DW!
Yes the filter would have made this a almost perfect DW!
Oh! Indeed it would, along with the orbital washarm. But sadly like many appliances the filter did not come until their pricey high end models which were unnecessarily complex (rapid advance / electronic models with sensors) making them prone to premature failures, defects and the like. This is what I have always despised about the appliance industry. Simplicity was and is still met with deliberately curated mediocrity- shortened main washes, no heating, crappy racks, no filtration ect while necessary components and necessary cycle times are parade with unnecessarily complex control systems and just as bad the inability to order custom models like with a car or house. Its a loose-loose rigged to extort money out of clueless customers while flat out lying to them. If everyone was like me any manufacturer that dared to pull such would be met with mass protests, lawsuits and bankruptcy. Lack of filtration should get a manufacturer in trouble when it compels the user to waste water pre-rinsing dishes.
Of course, this is why I am so elated with my Sharp microwave having found a luxury platform of durability and mind blowing performance in a simple control and build system with serviceability in mind. The Sharp service manual even has a schematic with listed values of the electronic control such that you could fix it yourself with a soldiering iron. What other manufacturer gives you this option? And how many electronic controls are NLA? Sorry, in my world it doesn't work that way.
Buy it for life, own it for life, fix it rarely for life.
Of course, this is why I am so elated with my Sharp microwave having found a luxury platform of durability and mind blowing performance in a simple control and build system with serviceability in mind. The Sharp service manual even has a schematic with listed values of the electronic control such that you could fix it yourself with a soldiering iron. What other manufacturer gives you this option? And how many electronic controls are NLA? Sorry, in my world it doesn't work that way.
Buy it for life, own it for life, fix it rarely for life.
GE standard tub plastic dishwasher
There were a number of basic models made with timers that did have the multi orbit wash arm and a full passive filter system these were sold under the Kenmore name mainly.
They started to do this when as they reduced the number of water changes so they could still get reasonable cleaning performance, the main problem with these dishwashers you still have the very poor capacity and an upper rack with no decent washing toward the corners so not a great dishwasher overall certainly not great large families where you were packing full really full loads.
John
There were a number of basic models made with timers that did have the multi orbit wash arm and a full passive filter system these were sold under the Kenmore name mainly.
They started to do this when as they reduced the number of water changes so they could still get reasonable cleaning performance, the main problem with these dishwashers you still have the very poor capacity and an upper rack with no decent washing toward the corners so not a great dishwasher overall certainly not great large families where you were packing full really full loads.
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John's lies
John just won't give up his lies about GE tower washes dishwashers due to his jealousy. Yes, John GE tower wash dishwashers out washed Whirlpool and all other brands in Consumer Reports tests, in some years, get over it and get a life.
John didn't know that GE used porcelain tubs, read back in the threads, a few years back, when I told him that. He replied GE "NEVER" (his usual childish way of using caps). I had to show him the catalogue description. lol
He continues to say GE tower washes don't clean in the corners, that is just another of his continual lies. Anyone who has ever had a GE tower wash knows this is a false statement. Sometimes he says it as a blanket statement and sometimes he says it GE tower washes can't clean in corners when a pot or pan is placed in the lower rack below it. Make up your mind on your lies, John
Look at my two links where I blocked water with pans on the lower rack, as a performance tests. You can see my test items in the corners, (dried yoghurt, dried fudge sauce, and peanut butter) came out clean, to perfection. It was not necessary to do this as all who have or had a GE tower wash knows the ability for this system to produce exemplary cleaning results.
Nobody believes John anymore, so why he continues his child-like charade to denigrate all dishwashers but his favorite, of Whirlpool, is beyond comprehension.
He doesn't even know how to communicate without using his normal child-like language, such as "crappy "
You have the emotional maturation level of a three to four year old, John. You are in your seventies now and it's high time you start behaving as an adult. Quit disrespecting members of this site with your lies.
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John just won't give up his lies about GE tower washes dishwashers due to his jealousy. Yes, John GE tower wash dishwashers out washed Whirlpool and all other brands in Consumer Reports tests, in some years, get over it and get a life.
John didn't know that GE used porcelain tubs, read back in the threads, a few years back, when I told him that. He replied GE "NEVER" (his usual childish way of using caps). I had to show him the catalogue description. lol
He continues to say GE tower washes don't clean in the corners, that is just another of his continual lies. Anyone who has ever had a GE tower wash knows this is a false statement. Sometimes he says it as a blanket statement and sometimes he says it GE tower washes can't clean in corners when a pot or pan is placed in the lower rack below it. Make up your mind on your lies, John
Look at my two links where I blocked water with pans on the lower rack, as a performance tests. You can see my test items in the corners, (dried yoghurt, dried fudge sauce, and peanut butter) came out clean, to perfection. It was not necessary to do this as all who have or had a GE tower wash knows the ability for this system to produce exemplary cleaning results.
Nobody believes John anymore, so why he continues his child-like charade to denigrate all dishwashers but his favorite, of Whirlpool, is beyond comprehension.
He doesn't even know how to communicate without using his normal child-like language, such as "crappy "
You have the emotional maturation level of a three to four year old, John. You are in your seventies now and it's high time you start behaving as an adult. Quit disrespecting members of this site with your lies.
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GE Tower Wash performance test
In light of John Lefever's statements that the GE tower-wash system didn't wash in the corners of the upper racks, here is another test run. John's first statement was that the tower wash couldn't clean objects in the corners. Then after I pointed out that this defect has never been noticed by...
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Last basic GE standard tub dishwasher
We pulled this out of an efficiency apartment last Thursday. It wasn’t used much. It is a 2012 model, these had really pathetic racks you could barely get anything in them and of course it has the usual problem of being useless at washing in the corners and really any of the top rack except the center people generally hated these dishwashers we have quite a few of them in basic apartments that we are still maintaining.
Really the only good thing about this dishwasher is they finally have the decent motor in them? This one has the current Vietnamese built motor. Other than the very rusty racks, this dishwasher is in good condition. It’s one of the very few I’ve seen where the trip shaft is not leaking yet. However, this dishwasher was only removed to upgrade the apartment so that they can rent it. The landlord found it very hard to rent with these basic appliances any longer.
We pulled this out of an efficiency apartment last Thursday. It wasn’t used much. It is a 2012 model, these had really pathetic racks you could barely get anything in them and of course it has the usual problem of being useless at washing in the corners and really any of the top rack except the center people generally hated these dishwashers we have quite a few of them in basic apartments that we are still maintaining.
Really the only good thing about this dishwasher is they finally have the decent motor in them? This one has the current Vietnamese built motor. Other than the very rusty racks, this dishwasher is in good condition. It’s one of the very few I’ve seen where the trip shaft is not leaking yet. However, this dishwasher was only removed to upgrade the apartment so that they can rent it. The landlord found it very hard to rent with these basic appliances any longer.
