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Water Use GSD500D vs Latter Models
Here is a comparison-
GSD500D
1998 models like GSD2020ZBB:
Latter models had shorter fill times overall, but had more rinse water change outs. A 66 second fill provides about a 1.9 gallon water charge. If the GSD500D fascia was changed for the following the water use would be:
Heavy: R-R-R-W-R-R 11.4 gallons
Normal: R-R-W-R-R 9.5 gallons
Light: R-W-R-R 7.6 gallons
Reducing all fills to 60 seconds would produce total water consumption similar to early 2000s models.
Here is a comparison-
GSD500D
1998 models like GSD2020ZBB:
Latter models had shorter fill times overall, but had more rinse water change outs. A 66 second fill provides about a 1.9 gallon water charge. If the GSD500D fascia was changed for the following the water use would be:
Heavy: R-R-R-W-R-R 11.4 gallons
Normal: R-R-W-R-R 9.5 gallons
Light: R-W-R-R 7.6 gallons
Reducing all fills to 60 seconds would produce total water consumption similar to early 2000s models.
GE
Now I remember the chart you displayed for my GSD500D
Now I remember the chart you displayed for my GSD500D
Everyone remembers a GSD500D. Yup- I have the pdf as well as a minty preserved manual. I love this model so much. If I found one barely used or new in box I would seriously consider making it a daily driver knowing it would last forever. Only thing I would do besides finding a way to retrofit the slide switch to a rocket is changing out the sump boot to a new low water one but even those don't hold up like the old black ones. If I had been at your apartment knowing what I know now I would have uninstalled that DW and taken it with me LOL. Be happy you got to experience history, I mean this in a really warm way. There might now be another piece of serious DW engineering ever again.
A good side note is that GSD-500G all the way up to GSD-500X use the same harness and wire sequence for the main molex timer connector. It is possible to easily drop in a 129D9177P13 timer with no or minimal rewiring in any of these models even though the fascia letting would not match the correct cycle start positions. Later GSD600Gs used a rocker switch and still had that legendary long life pump and motor so scoring a NOS rocker 600G would perhaps an even bigger win. Timer 129D9177P13 would drop right in minus the short wash and rinse lettering being off place.
If everyone was like me the 129D9177P13 timer would still be in use but with an orbital wash arm, deep upper rack, power shower and back fine filter.
In fact the 129D9177P13 timer would be so common that it would be available on amazon as "universal GE Hotpoint RCA dishwasher timer replacement fit many models" I like the idea of very long running and common between model parts. I also like the idea of keeping harnesses and connectors the same in appliances such that one timer can fit many models or various timers with various tweaks/cycle improvements can be dropped into any one model without modification giving the user a sequence that suits them favorably.
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A good side note is that GSD-500G all the way up to GSD-500X use the same harness and wire sequence for the main molex timer connector. It is possible to easily drop in a 129D9177P13 timer with no or minimal rewiring in any of these models even though the fascia letting would not match the correct cycle start positions. Later GSD600Gs used a rocker switch and still had that legendary long life pump and motor so scoring a NOS rocker 600G would perhaps an even bigger win. Timer 129D9177P13 would drop right in minus the short wash and rinse lettering being off place.
If everyone was like me the 129D9177P13 timer would still be in use but with an orbital wash arm, deep upper rack, power shower and back fine filter.
In fact the 129D9177P13 timer would be so common that it would be available on amazon as "universal GE Hotpoint RCA dishwasher timer replacement fit many models" I like the idea of very long running and common between model parts. I also like the idea of keeping harnesses and connectors the same in appliances such that one timer can fit many models or various timers with various tweaks/cycle improvements can be dropped into any one model without modification giving the user a sequence that suits them favorably.
[this post was last edited: 7/25/2024-19:57]
GE
Yes the filter would have made this a almost perfect DW!
Yes the filter would have made this a almost perfect DW!
Oh! Indeed it would, along with the orbital washarm. But sadly like many appliances the filter did not come until their pricey high end models which were unnecessarily complex (rapid advance / electronic models with sensors) making them prone to premature failures, defects and the like. This is what I have always despised about the appliance industry. Simplicity was and is still met with deliberately curated mediocrity- shortened main washes, no heating, crappy racks, no filtration ect while necessary components and necessary cycle times are parade with unnecessarily complex control systems and just as bad the inability to order custom models like with a car or house. Its a loose-loose rigged to extort money out of clueless customers while flat out lying to them. If everyone was like me any manufacturer that dared to pull such would be met with mass protests, lawsuits and bankruptcy. Lack of filtration should get a manufacturer in trouble when it compels the user to waste water pre-rinsing dishes.
Of course, this is why I am so elated with my Sharp microwave having found a luxury platform of durability and mind blowing performance in a simple control and build system with serviceability in mind. The Sharp service manual even has a schematic with listed values of the electronic control such that you could fix it yourself with a soldiering iron. What other manufacturer gives you this option? And how many electronic controls are NLA? Sorry, in my world it doesn't work that way.
Buy it for life, own it for life, fix it rarely for life.
Of course, this is why I am so elated with my Sharp microwave having found a luxury platform of durability and mind blowing performance in a simple control and build system with serviceability in mind. The Sharp service manual even has a schematic with listed values of the electronic control such that you could fix it yourself with a soldiering iron. What other manufacturer gives you this option? And how many electronic controls are NLA? Sorry, in my world it doesn't work that way.
Buy it for life, own it for life, fix it rarely for life.
GE standard tub plastic dishwasher
There were a number of basic models made with timers that did have the multi orbit wash arm and a full passive filter system these were sold under the Kenmore name mainly.
They started to do this when as they reduced the number of water changes so they could still get reasonable cleaning performance, the main problem with these dishwashers you still have the very poor capacity and an upper rack with no decent washing toward the corners so not a great dishwasher overall certainly not great large families where you were packing full really full loads.
John
There were a number of basic models made with timers that did have the multi orbit wash arm and a full passive filter system these were sold under the Kenmore name mainly.
They started to do this when as they reduced the number of water changes so they could still get reasonable cleaning performance, the main problem with these dishwashers you still have the very poor capacity and an upper rack with no decent washing toward the corners so not a great dishwasher overall certainly not great large families where you were packing full really full loads.
John
reactor
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John's lies
John just won't give up his lies about GE tower washes dishwashers due to his jealousy. Yes, John GE tower wash dishwashers out washed Whirlpool and all other brands in Consumer Reports tests, in some years, get over it and get a life.
John didn't know that GE used porcelain tubs, read back in the threads, a few years back, when I told him that. He replied GE "NEVER" (his usual childish way of using caps). I had to show him the catalogue description. lol
He continues to say GE tower washes don't clean in the corners, that is just another of his continual lies. Anyone who has ever had a GE tower wash knows this is a false statement. Sometimes he says it as a blanket statement and sometimes he says it GE tower washes can't clean in corners when a pot or pan is placed in the lower rack below it. Make up your mind on your lies, John
Look at my two links where I blocked water with pans on the lower rack, as a performance tests. You can see my test items in the corners, (dried yoghurt, dried fudge sauce, and peanut butter) came out clean, to perfection. It was not necessary to do this as all who have or had a GE tower wash knows the ability for this system to produce exemplary cleaning results.
Nobody believes John anymore, so why he continues his child-like charade to denigrate all dishwashers but his favorite, of Whirlpool, is beyond comprehension.
He doesn't even know how to communicate without using his normal child-like language, such as "crappy "
You have the emotional maturation level of a three to four year old, John. You are in your seventies now and it's high time you start behaving as an adult. Quit disrespecting members of this site with your lies.
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John just won't give up his lies about GE tower washes dishwashers due to his jealousy. Yes, John GE tower wash dishwashers out washed Whirlpool and all other brands in Consumer Reports tests, in some years, get over it and get a life.
John didn't know that GE used porcelain tubs, read back in the threads, a few years back, when I told him that. He replied GE "NEVER" (his usual childish way of using caps). I had to show him the catalogue description. lol
He continues to say GE tower washes don't clean in the corners, that is just another of his continual lies. Anyone who has ever had a GE tower wash knows this is a false statement. Sometimes he says it as a blanket statement and sometimes he says it GE tower washes can't clean in corners when a pot or pan is placed in the lower rack below it. Make up your mind on your lies, John
Look at my two links where I blocked water with pans on the lower rack, as a performance tests. You can see my test items in the corners, (dried yoghurt, dried fudge sauce, and peanut butter) came out clean, to perfection. It was not necessary to do this as all who have or had a GE tower wash knows the ability for this system to produce exemplary cleaning results.
Nobody believes John anymore, so why he continues his child-like charade to denigrate all dishwashers but his favorite, of Whirlpool, is beyond comprehension.
He doesn't even know how to communicate without using his normal child-like language, such as "crappy "
You have the emotional maturation level of a three to four year old, John. You are in your seventies now and it's high time you start behaving as an adult. Quit disrespecting members of this site with your lies.
[this post was last edited: 7/26/2024-14:26]
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREADM.cgi?96245_13~1
Last basic GE standard tub dishwasher
We pulled this out of an efficiency apartment last Thursday. It wasn’t used much. It is a 2012 model, these had really pathetic racks you could barely get anything in them and of course it has the usual problem of being useless at washing in the corners and really any of the top rack except the center people generally hated these dishwashers we have quite a few of them in basic apartments that we are still maintaining.
Really the only good thing about this dishwasher is they finally have the decent motor in them? This one has the current Vietnamese built motor. Other than the very rusty racks, this dishwasher is in good condition. It’s one of the very few I’ve seen where the trip shaft is not leaking yet. However, this dishwasher was only removed to upgrade the apartment so that they can rent it. The landlord found it very hard to rent with these basic appliances any longer.
We pulled this out of an efficiency apartment last Thursday. It wasn’t used much. It is a 2012 model, these had really pathetic racks you could barely get anything in them and of course it has the usual problem of being useless at washing in the corners and really any of the top rack except the center people generally hated these dishwashers we have quite a few of them in basic apartments that we are still maintaining.
Really the only good thing about this dishwasher is they finally have the decent motor in them? This one has the current Vietnamese built motor. Other than the very rusty racks, this dishwasher is in good condition. It’s one of the very few I’ve seen where the trip shaft is not leaking yet. However, this dishwasher was only removed to upgrade the apartment so that they can rent it. The landlord found it very hard to rent with these basic appliances any longer.
reactor
Well-known member
John's emotionally immature responses
Poor John is further showing his lack of ability to handle conflict as an adult. John has less intellect than most on this site, but even he knows that GE tower wash systems are exemplary cleaners. When he continues to lie and say they can't clean in corners he is becoming the laughing stock of the site, as everyone knows a ) it isn't true and b.) knows John to be a pathological liar.
As I said in another thread, his behavior is beyond eccentricity at this point. Even his customer reviews, from his repair service, are notating his issues.
I have seen some adults with emotional maturation levelbissues in my time, but never to the extent of a grown adult who is jealous of a dishwasher. It has been going on for years now, as virtually anyone in this site will confirm. John cannot stand to have his opinion questioned and he cannot stand praise for any appliance that is not one of his favorites.
If anything, he is getting worse. His outbursts of anger, his degradation of other members and his child-like outbursts to conflict.
It is difficult, at times for all of us to not laugh at John's behavior. However, his constant lies, child-like outbursts and disrespect for members of our community are all serious issues that need to be addressed.
Poor John is further showing his lack of ability to handle conflict as an adult. John has less intellect than most on this site, but even he knows that GE tower wash systems are exemplary cleaners. When he continues to lie and say they can't clean in corners he is becoming the laughing stock of the site, as everyone knows a ) it isn't true and b.) knows John to be a pathological liar.
As I said in another thread, his behavior is beyond eccentricity at this point. Even his customer reviews, from his repair service, are notating his issues.
I have seen some adults with emotional maturation levelbissues in my time, but never to the extent of a grown adult who is jealous of a dishwasher. It has been going on for years now, as virtually anyone in this site will confirm. John cannot stand to have his opinion questioned and he cannot stand praise for any appliance that is not one of his favorites.
If anything, he is getting worse. His outbursts of anger, his degradation of other members and his child-like outbursts to conflict.
It is difficult, at times for all of us to not laugh at John's behavior. However, his constant lies, child-like outbursts and disrespect for members of our community are all serious issues that need to be addressed.
Barry I really wish you would stop with the personal attacks on Combo52/John. I think there are a lot of members who completely agree with your opinions on the performance and durability of the vintage appliances we all have in our homes but the personal attacks are not helpful in getting your point across. Many agree with you because unlike the general public we have these 40-75 year old machines hooked up and running in our house and know quite well what they are capable of.
Let me share a story of something that I was involved in. Years ago (like almost 2 decades ago lol) a few members were comparing the wash-ability of a 3-Ring agitator Frigidaire washer to a belt-drive Whirlpool washer. They were saying how much better the Whirlpool was in every way. Having both of the machines in my basement and knowing what I see everyday I decided to make my case that the Frigidaire was superior by making a side by side video of both machines washing 5 pair of blue jeans. I made my point quite well in that video and the majority of the members who posted their opinion after seeing the video agreed with me. I was able to win that argument not by belittling or personal attacks but by using the technology of the time to show everyone what I see and letting them decide who is right.
So please please please stop the personal attacks, you have some very good points in what you are saying but it would go so much further to show us directly why you are correct in what you are saying. Thank you for understanding.
Let me share a story of something that I was involved in. Years ago (like almost 2 decades ago lol) a few members were comparing the wash-ability of a 3-Ring agitator Frigidaire washer to a belt-drive Whirlpool washer. They were saying how much better the Whirlpool was in every way. Having both of the machines in my basement and knowing what I see everyday I decided to make my case that the Frigidaire was superior by making a side by side video of both machines washing 5 pair of blue jeans. I made my point quite well in that video and the majority of the members who posted their opinion after seeing the video agreed with me. I was able to win that argument not by belittling or personal attacks but by using the technology of the time to show everyone what I see and letting them decide who is right.
So please please please stop the personal attacks, you have some very good points in what you are saying but it would go so much further to show us directly why you are correct in what you are saying. Thank you for understanding.
reactor
Well-known member
in agreement with you, Robert
I understand, and am one hundred percent in agreement with you, Robert. This site is for us to share, and learn from each other.
Certainly the best way to make a point is by actual observation, as you say by performance tests and other observable criteria. That is why I posted my test results of a load in a GE tower wash with water flow in the lower rack, blocked to prove to John that his negative claims were false.
You may have seen them, last week. However, again John posted his falsifications without regard to the evidence to the contrary by the test results. But yes, absolutely I, am sure virtually every one else agrees that is the best approach. John has never submitted any proof of his claims. We would love to see them.
Like you, I would like to see people behave with maturity on this site, and be respectful of others opinions. When John, or any other member, attacks on people who disagree with them or providing lies instead of observable tests results. It hurts the entire community.
Trust me, I agree with you fully. When we have to stop our primary function, the sharing of knowledge, to address a member's disrespect to other members of this community by their lies, it is a shame indeed.
Actually, since you mentioned it Robert, I have actually posted two tests results of my performance tests of the tower wash cleanability on the upper rack. One in 2012 and the one last week. Yes, we are in agreement that is the best way to make one's point. It is certainly the most civil way.
Unfortunately, some people disregard data when it is conflict with their internal biases, so it sometimes goes in one ear and out the other, so to speak.
I have been working on some other performance tests, as well. Which I look forward to sharing with the group in the near future.
It's good to hear from you, Robert. You seem to have been rather quiet lately.
Take care,
Barry
I understand, and am one hundred percent in agreement with you, Robert. This site is for us to share, and learn from each other.
Certainly the best way to make a point is by actual observation, as you say by performance tests and other observable criteria. That is why I posted my test results of a load in a GE tower wash with water flow in the lower rack, blocked to prove to John that his negative claims were false.
You may have seen them, last week. However, again John posted his falsifications without regard to the evidence to the contrary by the test results. But yes, absolutely I, am sure virtually every one else agrees that is the best approach. John has never submitted any proof of his claims. We would love to see them.
Like you, I would like to see people behave with maturity on this site, and be respectful of others opinions. When John, or any other member, attacks on people who disagree with them or providing lies instead of observable tests results. It hurts the entire community.
Trust me, I agree with you fully. When we have to stop our primary function, the sharing of knowledge, to address a member's disrespect to other members of this community by their lies, it is a shame indeed.
Actually, since you mentioned it Robert, I have actually posted two tests results of my performance tests of the tower wash cleanability on the upper rack. One in 2012 and the one last week. Yes, we are in agreement that is the best way to make one's point. It is certainly the most civil way.
Unfortunately, some people disregard data when it is conflict with their internal biases, so it sometimes goes in one ear and out the other, so to speak.
I have been working on some other performance tests, as well. Which I look forward to sharing with the group in the near future.
It's good to hear from you, Robert. You seem to have been rather quiet lately.
Take care,
Barry
Unfortunately, some people disregard data when it is conflict with their internal biases, so it sometimes goes in one ear and out the other, so to speak.
and that can be said for all of us at one point or another, none of us are completely bias free in our lives, it's human nature in my opinion.
Thank you Barry.
and that can be said for all of us at one point or another, none of us are completely bias free in our lives, it's human nature in my opinion.
Thank you Barry.
reactor
Well-known member
bias
Agree again, Robert. We all have certain biases, that is what gives us our individuality. We just have to occasionally make a concerted effort to help ensure our biases do not separate us from reality, by filtering data. Just as you say, it is part of being a human, and no one is totally immune. We each have our unique approach to life. As mentioned in a previous comment, if we were all alike, it would be a very boring world, indeed.[this post was last edited: 7/26/2024-23:52]
Agree again, Robert. We all have certain biases, that is what gives us our individuality. We just have to occasionally make a concerted effort to help ensure our biases do not separate us from reality, by filtering data. Just as you say, it is part of being a human, and no one is totally immune. We each have our unique approach to life. As mentioned in a previous comment, if we were all alike, it would be a very boring world, indeed.[this post was last edited: 7/26/2024-23:52]
Robert, I agree with what you're saying. No disagreement between us and I mean no disrespect. I only ask that John not call other people names or laugh at them when he disagrees with what they're saying. John hasn't done that in this thread, but he has been doing it for years transiently in other threads. Other members become offended when he does this, and several have told me how they participate less on this site because they want to avoid a potentially triggering reply.
Don't get me wrong, I want everyone on this forum to be civil and to respect each other even if there is technical disagreement. As I like to say attack the scientific theory being discussed, not the person, his character or credentials.
Don't get me wrong, I want everyone on this forum to be civil and to respect each other even if there is technical disagreement. As I like to say attack the scientific theory being discussed, not the person, his character or credentials.
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