I just ran across Staber washing machines today will surfing. Top loading horizontal axis. Very interesting.
Anyone have one? Would like to learn more about them
Greg
Anyone have one? Would like to learn more about them
Greg
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staber washing machines
my friend has a staber washing machine and unlike what was said on here they are not noisy and she loves it because where she lives has metered water so she can only do her laundry after 7pm, and the staber only uses 5 gallons to wash and rinse. But the only thing she doesn't like about it is the opening could be a bit bigger. she doesnt mind that you open one lid then open the two hatch lids, but once it is open the opening she said could be alot bigger but she has had no problems with it what so ever
my friend has a staber washing machine and unlike what was said on here they are not noisy and she loves it because where she lives has metered water so she can only do her laundry after 7pm, and the staber only uses 5 gallons to wash and rinse. But the only thing she doesn't like about it is the opening could be a bit bigger. she doesnt mind that you open one lid then open the two hatch lids, but once it is open the opening she said could be alot bigger but she has had no problems with it what so ever
Wow...
I was thinking about these washers today! I've only seen one cycle in the Staber and despite their flaws in design, they are very interesting. The sound of the clothes dropping and smacking around and surging water between the inner and outer drums is amazing.
I was thinking about these washers today! I've only seen one cycle in the Staber and despite their flaws in design, they are very interesting. The sound of the clothes dropping and smacking around and surging water between the inner and outer drums is amazing.
I was THIS close to buying one..........
Front and back drum supports and user-sevicable parts make this one potentially long-lasting!
www.staber.com
Front and back drum supports and user-sevicable parts make this one potentially long-lasting!
Commercial & Residential Laundry Equipment | Staber Industries, Inc.
Staber Industries is a leader in the commercial and residential laundry equipment industry. Staber delivers American made, high quality laundry solutions. No job is too large or too small!
www.staber.com
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Staber again? That's what...
(That's what I wrote in another thread, answering about Sustainable village.com)
Ebbene sì...la cosa è strana
Yes, although I consider tumble washers the best, either in low water consumes than in energy comsumes and in wash efficiency too (against US conventional TL), and there in US people prefer top loading on their washer, I must say that that the idea to get the h-axis in a TL washers wasn't a good idea! Staber would have been THE SOLUTION KEY, but many people told me no good (sometimes very bad)indeed!
Anyway I wonder how here in Europe we mostly have h-axis washers, and the same system goes very well both in TL and FL, while in US TL means agitator or at least v-axis and h-axis are only for FL...
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Diomede
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Of course Staber should enlarge the opening of the inner tub, because you can find it either by videos on website, it's rather narrow, although you can fit a king conforter through it!
Who put the washer in the basement/cellar/downstairs, I think won't have any problem with noise, while it's different for who put laundry in a closet or a living level, because I think that any tumble (TL or FL too) washer makes more noise than a conventional TL one.
I also asked to Staber why an exagonal shaped inner tub, sicne generally h-axis provide circular tub, and they answerd me that's to get a more vigorous action... IMHO I think they would better get the same result, with a circular tub too, featured with trhee (or more, ex four like newest US FL), vans/agitator as you call those bumps in the drum...
At the end, coming from Europe if none had told me not so well about them, I would haven't had any problem to purchase a Staber, they seem more similar to our European washers.
Have a look on Whirlpool website, they have many energy/water saving washers too, like the new Whirlpool DUET Sport, anyway here you are Staber.com
www.staber.com
(That's what I wrote in another thread, answering about Sustainable village.com)
Ebbene sì...la cosa è strana
Yes, although I consider tumble washers the best, either in low water consumes than in energy comsumes and in wash efficiency too (against US conventional TL), and there in US people prefer top loading on their washer, I must say that that the idea to get the h-axis in a TL washers wasn't a good idea! Staber would have been THE SOLUTION KEY, but many people told me no good (sometimes very bad)indeed!
Anyway I wonder how here in Europe we mostly have h-axis washers, and the same system goes very well both in TL and FL, while in US TL means agitator or at least v-axis and h-axis are only for FL...
Good Bye
Diomede
(I add)
Of course Staber should enlarge the opening of the inner tub, because you can find it either by videos on website, it's rather narrow, although you can fit a king conforter through it!
Who put the washer in the basement/cellar/downstairs, I think won't have any problem with noise, while it's different for who put laundry in a closet or a living level, because I think that any tumble (TL or FL too) washer makes more noise than a conventional TL one.
I also asked to Staber why an exagonal shaped inner tub, sicne generally h-axis provide circular tub, and they answerd me that's to get a more vigorous action... IMHO I think they would better get the same result, with a circular tub too, featured with trhee (or more, ex four like newest US FL), vans/agitator as you call those bumps in the drum...
At the end, coming from Europe if none had told me not so well about them, I would haven't had any problem to purchase a Staber, they seem more similar to our European washers.
Have a look on Whirlpool website, they have many energy/water saving washers too, like the new Whirlpool DUET Sport, anyway here you are Staber.com
Commercial & Residential Laundry Equipment | Staber Industries, Inc.
Staber Industries is a leader in the commercial and residential laundry equipment industry. Staber delivers American made, high quality laundry solutions. No job is too large or too small!
www.staber.com
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Staber has a solid market niche among people who use off-grid power, which may indicate that it's a very efficient machine in terms of electricity usage. They are also popular in rural areas where professional techs are difficult to find or expensive, due to the "anyone can fix this themselves" factor.
The design is inherently robust, with a horizontal axis drum supported by bearings at both ends, and all the main components deliberately over-built. Basically what you have is a mechanical sequencer, and a motor control board, and a motor with a belt that drives the drum. Very straightforward. It doesn't offer some of the refinements of high-end modern machines, but it has a similar set of cycles to an oldschool automatic washer, which is more than sufficient. It's also inherently forgiving, in the sense that it appears to be abuse-proof, so your visiting friend who knows nothing about it won't break it.
The inner and outer drum geometry is designed such that the movement of the inner drum causes a lifting and surging action in the water, that forces the water through the inner drum and the load inside. IMHO that's hella' clever. And, unlike a FL, there is no seal to worry about, though of course the downside tradeoff is you can't see what's going on in there.
Some time in the next couple of years I'll probably have to design a communal laundry room for 10 - 20 adults & some kids. I'm pretty well convinced that Staber is going to be the choice for that installation, possibly with a Danby FL next to it primarily for occasions where people need the 200-degree sanitize function (e.g. when someone is sick). Not sure about the dryer yet, but indoor & outdoor clothes lines are definitely in the picture.
The design is inherently robust, with a horizontal axis drum supported by bearings at both ends, and all the main components deliberately over-built. Basically what you have is a mechanical sequencer, and a motor control board, and a motor with a belt that drives the drum. Very straightforward. It doesn't offer some of the refinements of high-end modern machines, but it has a similar set of cycles to an oldschool automatic washer, which is more than sufficient. It's also inherently forgiving, in the sense that it appears to be abuse-proof, so your visiting friend who knows nothing about it won't break it.
The inner and outer drum geometry is designed such that the movement of the inner drum causes a lifting and surging action in the water, that forces the water through the inner drum and the load inside. IMHO that's hella' clever. And, unlike a FL, there is no seal to worry about, though of course the downside tradeoff is you can't see what's going on in there.
Some time in the next couple of years I'll probably have to design a communal laundry room for 10 - 20 adults & some kids. I'm pretty well convinced that Staber is going to be the choice for that installation, possibly with a Danby FL next to it primarily for occasions where people need the 200-degree sanitize function (e.g. when someone is sick). Not sure about the dryer yet, but indoor & outdoor clothes lines are definitely in the picture.
The Staber seems like a great design. My only drawback to them is the top loading design. Living in a small house, I like front-loading washers because the washer can be installed underneath a countertop, and the top can be used for other uses, like food prep, etc.
I see why the Staber is a top-loading design though, it is done like that so that the wash drum can be supported on both ends. Thus, making the machine more robust.
The idea of an easily serviciable machine seems a very good one!
I see why the Staber is a top-loading design though, it is done like that so that the wash drum can be supported on both ends. Thus, making the machine more robust.
The idea of an easily serviciable machine seems a very good one!
Steven,
having the bearings on both sides can, but need not make the machine more stable. I worked on an awful lot of Miele TL H-Axis machines which had spin vibration problems you wouldn't believe due to the two bearing set-up.
They switched to the one bearing solution (sort of like some motorcycles) and the problems all went away...
Bauknecht (before evil Whirlpool ate them) "solved" the problem with a clever self-centering design and good electronics.
AEG solved the problem with cast iron frames and engineering precision...still, if an AEG TL H-Axis had repeated failures in the 1970's through early 90's, this was frequently the reason.
I have no idea how good or bad these machines are, but I suspect that for someone "off-grid" they are a much better bet than the current range of European and Korean H-Axis. Mine has a 900 W motor and a set of condensors you could use to power half of LA. If their web-site info is to be believed, they get by with much less current demand.
having the bearings on both sides can, but need not make the machine more stable. I worked on an awful lot of Miele TL H-Axis machines which had spin vibration problems you wouldn't believe due to the two bearing set-up.
They switched to the one bearing solution (sort of like some motorcycles) and the problems all went away...
Bauknecht (before evil Whirlpool ate them) "solved" the problem with a clever self-centering design and good electronics.
AEG solved the problem with cast iron frames and engineering precision...still, if an AEG TL H-Axis had repeated failures in the 1970's through early 90's, this was frequently the reason.
I have no idea how good or bad these machines are, but I suspect that for someone "off-grid" they are a much better bet than the current range of European and Korean H-Axis. Mine has a 900 W motor and a set of condensors you could use to power half of LA. If their web-site info is to be believed, they get by with much less current demand.
That's very interesting info about the two-bearing designs. The Staber is a very interesting design, worthy of praise in several areas, not the least of which is originality.
The Staber has a number of drawbacks, as Toggs mentioned, the "user servicable" selling point is one of the biggest in my opinion. For the majority of washing machine purchasers, a good service and parts network is essential since most people have no idea what goes on inside of their toilet tank, refrigerator, vacuum, take your pick, let alone how to even begin replacing the bearings in their washer should they fail despite the claims of detailed instructions and telephone factory support. One of the other major drawbacks is the capacity. For the footprint of the washer, it has a surprisingly small capacity when compared with similar domestic laundry products. Add to that, the small opening to gain access to the wash-drum with a metal latch and rather sharp edges, etc. Their dispenser only takes liquid detergents and additives and this is possibly one of the loudest spinning machines I've ever witnessed. I believe this may be in part due to the fact that the drum isn't round, with all those angled sides it tends to reverberate inside the outer drum and cabinet.
It was a very cool machine to experience in person and you really have to hand it to the company for having an original idea, making it and jumping into a fiercely competetive market dominated by a few giant manufacturers. The fact that they have had the fortitude to last this long is worth a tip of the hat!
The Staber has a number of drawbacks, as Toggs mentioned, the "user servicable" selling point is one of the biggest in my opinion. For the majority of washing machine purchasers, a good service and parts network is essential since most people have no idea what goes on inside of their toilet tank, refrigerator, vacuum, take your pick, let alone how to even begin replacing the bearings in their washer should they fail despite the claims of detailed instructions and telephone factory support. One of the other major drawbacks is the capacity. For the footprint of the washer, it has a surprisingly small capacity when compared with similar domestic laundry products. Add to that, the small opening to gain access to the wash-drum with a metal latch and rather sharp edges, etc. Their dispenser only takes liquid detergents and additives and this is possibly one of the loudest spinning machines I've ever witnessed. I believe this may be in part due to the fact that the drum isn't round, with all those angled sides it tends to reverberate inside the outer drum and cabinet.
It was a very cool machine to experience in person and you really have to hand it to the company for having an original idea, making it and jumping into a fiercely competetive market dominated by a few giant manufacturers. The fact that they have had the fortitude to last this long is worth a tip of the hat!
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new model out
equator has a new top loading horizontal axis washer out that does a full 22 pond load!!!!!It has a see through compartment too!!!!!!!
equator has a new top loading horizontal axis washer out that does a full 22 pond load!!!!!It has a see through compartment too!!!!!!!
linky, please!
Here's the link (again). You must have missed thread #5948.
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Gansky, the kinds of people who buy things such as Staber washers, tend to also be people who are more capable of DIY than average. This also correlates with off-grid living: a greater degree of self-reliance than average.
Understood it's not for everyone. And of course the folks around here can DIY repair just about anything with a motor in it, even that amazingly complicated Hoover FL with the contra-rotating paddle at the back of the drum (was that the Keymatic or was there another one just before the Keymatic?). But it's good to see an American manufacturer building a clever and high-quality product here in America, designed for use by people who have the oldfashioned rugged sense of self-reliance.
BTW, I think the noisy spin cycle is probably streams of water hitting the outer tub from varying distances and angles as the inner tub rotates. If that's the case, the noise will reduce as the water in the load spins out. Otherwise it could be air movement between the two tubs, and some kind of strange harmonic interaction at a low frequency. I don't know, but I'd be interested to hear it one of these days.
Understood it's not for everyone. And of course the folks around here can DIY repair just about anything with a motor in it, even that amazingly complicated Hoover FL with the contra-rotating paddle at the back of the drum (was that the Keymatic or was there another one just before the Keymatic?). But it's good to see an American manufacturer building a clever and high-quality product here in America, designed for use by people who have the oldfashioned rugged sense of self-reliance.
BTW, I think the noisy spin cycle is probably streams of water hitting the outer tub from varying distances and angles as the inner tub rotates. If that's the case, the noise will reduce as the water in the load spins out. Otherwise it could be air movement between the two tubs, and some kind of strange harmonic interaction at a low frequency. I don't know, but I'd be interested to hear it one of these days.
No heating element, just a 750 rpm spin and a cycle done in only 32 min? I think the Staber is no bargain for $1199
Only 32 minutes?
1- To us that is what we want. It has been the *gold standard* for 50 years, here.
2- Heaters are nice, but again they are not what we are used to.
3- A fast spin is a nice time and energy saver, but adds wrinkles. if the dryer happens to set these wrinkle and you have to iron, you may end up using MORE energy, no?
Methinks the American way is to make life convenient and TIME saving. [Time IS money said the ho.] Energy and water use be-damned!!!!!! (well it WAS anyway. LOL)
1- To us that is what we want. It has been the *gold standard* for 50 years, here.
2- Heaters are nice, but again they are not what we are used to.
3- A fast spin is a nice time and energy saver, but adds wrinkles. if the dryer happens to set these wrinkle and you have to iron, you may end up using MORE energy, no?
Methinks the American way is to make life convenient and TIME saving. [Time IS money said the ho.] Energy and water use be-damned!!!!!! (well it WAS anyway. LOL)
Toggles, IIRC, tumblewashers with very short cycles like the Speedqueen FLs for example, didn`t they get awful reviews for their cleaning ability ???
Even if you get along very well without a heater in a traditional toploader, in a "tumblewasher" with that little pool of hot water and that large amount of cold drum and clothes the lack of a heater to me just means poor design.
As to spinspeeds, american dryers are quite good and cope well with poorly spun clothes. But as long as you use a dryer at all, there is no reason to be afraid of wrinkles. The heat of the dryer eases the fibers even if spun with 2800 rpm in a spindryer.
My piont is that even a Whirlpool Duet seems a much better deal to me.
Even if you get along very well without a heater in a traditional toploader, in a "tumblewasher" with that little pool of hot water and that large amount of cold drum and clothes the lack of a heater to me just means poor design.
As to spinspeeds, american dryers are quite good and cope well with poorly spun clothes. But as long as you use a dryer at all, there is no reason to be afraid of wrinkles. The heat of the dryer eases the fibers even if spun with 2800 rpm in a spindryer.
My piont is that even a Whirlpool Duet seems a much better deal to me.
One of the main markets for the Staber is for people with solar power systems. For those of us with Solar, NOT having a heater is an absolute prerequisite. My whole house runs from a 1500 watt inverter, so I just can't run a heater.
My clothes get REALLY filthy - professional cook, building own mudbrick home, repair mechanical stuff regularly - and my clothes are clean. I have an Asko FL with heater disconnected, use warm water washes (max 45 degrees C) and an environmental detergent with Eucalyptus oil. I never use prewash, spray on stain removers, etc. For really muddy stuff I soak overnight in a bucket with nappy soaker (nappy = diaper).
Staber fulfills a unique spot in the market. I wish they were available over here. They are not for everyone, they are not trying to be.
Chris.
My clothes get REALLY filthy - professional cook, building own mudbrick home, repair mechanical stuff regularly - and my clothes are clean. I have an Asko FL with heater disconnected, use warm water washes (max 45 degrees C) and an environmental detergent with Eucalyptus oil. I never use prewash, spray on stain removers, etc. For really muddy stuff I soak overnight in a bucket with nappy soaker (nappy = diaper).
Staber fulfills a unique spot in the market. I wish they were available over here. They are not for everyone, they are not trying to be.
Chris.
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Bingo! Chris is right on target. Every machine is best for a specific set of applications. A machine that's excellent in one niche may seem crappy in another and vice-versa. Something that works best for a neighbor might not work well for you and vice-versa, because your respective applications are different.
OK, I see, don`t beat me
I can hardly believe the number of people in the US not electrificated decently is large enough to create the need for a special machine.
I can hardly believe the number of people in the US not electrificated decently is large enough to create the need for a special machine.
