Can you hook me up with the magazines or listings for Knapp Monarch and Toastmaster?
Stoves without thermostats
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Just to throw this out here, I was thinking about this thread and came up with an idea. Would not it be just easier to take a more "modern" stove and remove the temp control and add in 2 burner controls, one for the bottom element and one for the top element. You could control the amount of heat being put out by both with the burner controls and adjust as needed. Just a thought.
Jon
Jon
Its a good idea, thank you! I intend to try a variac to get the exact wattage that will stabilize a temperature, but before that I would need to improvise so your idea and combos idea would work out well. Wiring the bake and broil element in series would work to in giving me a lower wattage and going from there.
The helpful folks aside... considering that Tomturbomatic is now at 2 likes maybe its better that I don't share these ideas with the world. People come here to escape the judgment offered by the public, only to receive it by a certain group of inviduals on here.
The helpful folks aside... considering that Tomturbomatic is now at 2 likes maybe its better that I don't share these ideas with the world. People come here to escape the judgment offered by the public, only to receive it by a certain group of inviduals on here.
>> maybe its better that I don't share these ideas with the world
Don't take it that personally, it's more just that you're requesting information/assistance toward making a product "worse", which is a difficult ask for others to provide helpful advice toward. It might make sense to you, but to most other folks, it's just hard to understand why you would want to do this project at all.
Don't take it that personally, it's more just that you're requesting information/assistance toward making a product "worse", which is a difficult ask for others to provide helpful advice toward. It might make sense to you, but to most other folks, it's just hard to understand why you would want to do this project at all.
People are free to think its a bad idea warranted or not as much as they want, but can reserve typing out personal attacks. Yes it says more about them then it does about me, but for a place where its supposed to be safe to share these ideas it becomes rather disheartening. Yet ironically I would think (expect) thats why those people are here- to be safe from judgment.
Sure in some ways a thermostat free oven is a down grade in performance, but in other ways its a plus, good enough that PRC is doing it today. Then there is also the fact I want to see why this is a bad idea for myself. A lot is learned in the process like thermodynamics, series/parallel circuits, math, ect. "Violating" the "norm" should be seen as a good thing.
Sure in some ways a thermostat free oven is a down grade in performance, but in other ways its a plus, good enough that PRC is doing it today. Then there is also the fact I want to see why this is a bad idea for myself. A lot is learned in the process like thermodynamics, series/parallel circuits, math, ect. "Violating" the "norm" should be seen as a good thing.
Hi Chetlaham
This won't answer your questions, but does show a example of a gas stove (currently in use) that has no thermostat.
(Original question)
The oven has one valve to open to control flame.
The # of jets for oven flame probably equal to two stove top burner jets together. I never open this valve all the way because I fear flame is too much to fast. During preheating, and If not babysitting, oven temp can easily reach 600 degrees in 15 min.
I'm so use to this stove.. I really don't think about it much because I just kinda know what flame height gives me 350 degrees. I also hang a oven themometer for accuracy.
Since the broiler is directly under the oven flame, time and temp is regulated by raising or lowing what ever one is broiling to that flame..instead of raising or lowering oven flame.
It's all very low tech, but would be considered unsafe by today's standards..(As it probably should be) but works just fine me!
This won't answer your questions, but does show a example of a gas stove (currently in use) that has no thermostat.
(Original question)
The oven has one valve to open to control flame.
The # of jets for oven flame probably equal to two stove top burner jets together. I never open this valve all the way because I fear flame is too much to fast. During preheating, and If not babysitting, oven temp can easily reach 600 degrees in 15 min.
I'm so use to this stove.. I really don't think about it much because I just kinda know what flame height gives me 350 degrees. I also hang a oven themometer for accuracy.
Since the broiler is directly under the oven flame, time and temp is regulated by raising or lowing what ever one is broiling to that flame..instead of raising or lowering oven flame.
It's all very low tech, but would be considered unsafe by today's standards..(As it probably should be) but works just fine me!
Much Appreciated 
Thank you- I am very interested in such ovens. Keep this as long as you can, you are lucky to have it. Comes in handy during power outages too.
Thank you- I am very interested in such ovens. Keep this as long as you can, you are lucky to have it. Comes in handy during power outages too.
Happy for you to find what you were looking for. Sort of what I had described to you earlier, but it's all complete and done. Let us know how this works out for you.
Jon
Jon
Well at least web page of one. But I wish to try this on a modern GE/Whirlpool/Frigidaire oven. I have a feeling convection will make work.
I see a thermostat on these to the left- does it actually control anything? Is there an instruction sheet to this oven?
And is 120 applied any time to the elements?
I see a thermostat on these to the left- does it actually control anything? Is there an instruction sheet to this oven?
And is 120 applied any time to the elements?
RE: Reply #46
No, you did not find an oven without a thermostat. The chrome object on the left side of the oven is the thermal control. It turns the heaters on and off to maintain a set temperature. The switches vary the intensity and balance of the heat for various cooking operations. Roasting meats, for example, called for top heat set at medium to give browning of certain meats, while a large turkey roasted over several hours might only require low top heat or no top heat to protect the delicate breast meat while baking called for low top heat to produce delicately browned baked goods like cakes and biscuits.
If you want to see an oven without a thermostat, go to thread 80017 in the Imperial Section, offering Launderall Model LS1 machines, Post 1039449, photo 4 of 7. Behind the washer is a Westinghouse oven with a thermometer mounted on the oven door. You can easily find this by typing Launderall into the search box at the top right of the Imperial Section and choosing the thread.
No, you did not find an oven without a thermostat. The chrome object on the left side of the oven is the thermal control. It turns the heaters on and off to maintain a set temperature. The switches vary the intensity and balance of the heat for various cooking operations. Roasting meats, for example, called for top heat set at medium to give browning of certain meats, while a large turkey roasted over several hours might only require low top heat or no top heat to protect the delicate breast meat while baking called for low top heat to produce delicately browned baked goods like cakes and biscuits.
If you want to see an oven without a thermostat, go to thread 80017 in the Imperial Section, offering Launderall Model LS1 machines, Post 1039449, photo 4 of 7. Behind the washer is a Westinghouse oven with a thermometer mounted on the oven door. You can easily find this by typing Launderall into the search box at the top right of the Imperial Section and choosing the thread.
Found it:
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREADM.cgi?80017_7
Looks like the Hotpoint.
Similar setup of varying the heating elements?
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREADM.cgi?80017_7
Looks like the Hotpoint.
Similar setup of varying the heating elements?
No, because this Westinghouse does not have a thermostat to cycle the current.
But that doesn't stop you from doing low/med/high if you wanted to.
The current flows through the thermostat which regulates the temperature regardless of the heat intensity settings.
"Westinghouse does not have a thermostat to cycle the current"
Which would indicate multiple wattage settings I think. Ie something like 1,200 watts to preheat, 675 watts to hold a steady bake temperature.
Which would indicate multiple wattage settings I think. Ie something like 1,200 watts to preheat, 675 watts to hold a steady bake temperature.
Perhaps, although your wattage ratings are very low for a 240 volt oven. Why not preheat on 3000 watts at 240 volts and then drop the voltage to 750 by dropping the voltage to 115? That early 1920s range with just a thermometer in the door for MONITORING THE TEMPERTURE was upgraded by the later 20s to various thermostatic controls for the oven so as soon as there was technology for AUTOMATICALLY CONTROLING THE TEMPERATURE of the oven, the non-thermostatically controlled ovens were a thing of the past.
Without the literature for the range with the non-thermostatically controlled oven, I cannot say how the oven heat was controlled.
Without the literature for the range with the non-thermostatically controlled oven, I cannot say how the oven heat was controlled.
Preheating at 3000 watts
Is doable, however if left in pre-heat mode the oven could over heat going above 600*F. Opening the door could result in user injury. Which is why the door is locked during self clean. With a lower wattage the oven can't over heat.
Is doable, however if left in pre-heat mode the oven could over heat going above 600*F. Opening the door could result in user injury. Which is why the door is locked during self clean. With a lower wattage the oven can't over heat.
All you need to do is put a timer on the preheat operation or is that too technologically advanced?
Doable, but timers can fail. User can always keep re-setting it to preheat.
