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When you're buying as much chicken as KFC or Popeyes you can get it however you want it. 30 years ago I had just finished working at KFC corporate HQ for 3 yrs as a mystery shopper...they had field poultry reps visiting the chicken houses and disassembly plants/slaughterhouses. They did not buy chicken on the bone from Perdue because Perdue fed marigold petals for a golden glow to the skin.
 
Hahahaha Kevin!

That's hillarious! Well, that's what they are indeed. George Carlin's 7 words comes to mind. Pizza flavored? Have you ever tried the famous chicken and waffles place out there? I saw it on the food network.It may be in Crenshaw, or just off the Sunset strip area perhaps on Hollywood, or
Melrose ave. Another burger place I saw on there, or maybe it was Andrew Zimmer's show is on Imperial right across from the public housing before you get into east L.A.
 
Thanks for the input John.

You seem to know about everything.

God... And your information is based on .... What ?

I suppose you drink tap water without it being filtered and approve of fluoride too ?

Sorry, but I respect your input on some things but GMO is nothing anyone should be consuming.

Read some more. I have been a Chef for 48+ years and this time I totally disagree with what you say.

All restaurant food is totally processed beyond your dreams. I bring my own food to work. But anyway I am sure you will disagree with everything I just wrote.
 
Depending on the brand ...

They add up to 30% in weight of injected liquid into breast meat to make it more tender and flavorful. So how much of the 3.22 lbs of the chicken you bought wasn't actually chicken?!

From an article linked below:

"Plumping, or injecting, as it is called in the industry, has been going on for some time.

In the past five years, this industry process has become the standard. Fresh chicken is injected with a solution of saltwater so it stays juicier and more flavorful (so they say). The solution contains a long list of ingredients that can account for up to 15%, or more, of the chicken’s weight. Some studies have shown up to 30% weight.

Why did the industry start the practice of plumping or injecting? This again goes back to the idea that when you start to remove the fat from the product, you start to lose the taste. When breeders started growing birds with too large of breast meat (more muscle and less fat) this resulted in a dryer, less tasty bird.

A saline injection kept the bird more moist, but this still didn’t help with the flavor, SO “natural flavor” was added in the form of broth, lemon concentrates and corn syrup or other forms of sugar.

Early on sodium phosphate was also added as a binder, to help the chicken retain water during shipping and cooking. To allow for ‘low sodium’ labels, this ingredient was replaced with potassium phosphate. Since potassium phosphate makes meat taste more bitter, even more ‘natural flavors’ were needed to mask the flavor.

You will still find the words ‘All-Natural’ , "Organic" on the label, as long as all the ingredients that they injected into the chicken are legally considered as natural or organic. This doesn’t sound natural to me and I know that this doesn’t sound natural to you.

If you purchase a package of injected chicken for $6, you will likely be paying at least $1 to $1.50 for the salt water solution and you are likely consuming at least 1000 milligrams of added sodium. One chicken breast could eat up 60% of your sodium intake before you even start eating the rest of the meal!

If we look at this on a national scale, it is estimated that consumers are paying $2 billion dollars a year for the salt water that is injected into chickens.

Needle-injected meat has also been red-flagged by the Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) as a high-risk carrier of E. coli. The needles that insert the salt solution can push bacteria on the surface (where bacteria is typically found) deep into the meat, where cooking may not kill them. To prevent this, FSIS recommends (not requires) that processors apply “an allowed antimicrobial agent to the surface of the product prior to processing.” These approved agents include a number of ingredients (and processes such as irradiation) that most consumers would likely find far from “natural.

Organic chicken is also injected. How, you may ask? The USDA and the FDA list water and salt as organic. This allows organic chicken to be injected as well. Keep in mind that a normal chicken breast is only 5 to 6 ounces, anything larger has been plumped.

A chicken breast that is $3.99 per pound and has been plumped means you are paying $1.32 for salt water. This means that chicken breast has cost you nearly $5.50 per pound."

If we didn't buy this "franken-chicken", the industry would change their business model to sell what the public wants.
Just buy organic to stop this nonsense. If we all did this, processed chicken would be a thing of the past.

Bud - Atlanta

 
If you really want GOOD chicken...

Raise it yourself, let it run around and eat bugs like God intended it too, When its big enough Do what our Grandmothers did, Wring its neck, cut off its head, after its thru figuring out its dead,,Dip in a pot of boiling water, pluck it light a paper bag on fire and singe off the remaining feathers, clean it cut it up and fry it in a pan of real lard,,its so much better this way its just not imaginable but its a messy nasty job
 
Hans ....

Just the way both my grandmother's used to do it. As a kid I'd get in trouble if I got caught messin with the chickens! I can still hear my grandma yellin at me, "Don't be chasing the chickens, you'll stress them out and they won't lay or will end up being tough!"
 
When my Mom’s family first moved to Oakland, Calif. in 1935 from Kansas, Grandma used to go to a poultry shop downtown that sold live chickens, that she took home in a box. My Aunt Virginia was the oldest girl, and it was her job to wring the chicken’s necks and then cut the head off, drain the blood, draw out the entrails, then pluck the feathers and singe the pin feathers.

And when I was very little, in the early 50’s, my Mom used to buy poultry at a shop on SanPablo Ave. in Richmond, Calif. the sold live birds as well, or you could buy them already killed and drawn, then take them home and pluck the feathers, which is what Mom did when she bought our Thanksgiving turkeys. My brother Joe and I did the plucking. I can remember the sound of the birds in the cages and the smell. You picked out the bird you wanted to buy, and they wrung its neck and cleaned the entrails out while you waited.

Eddie
 
I can deal with meat if it comes on a plastic-wrapped styrofoam tray. I’d be vegetarian again in less than one second if I had to do the butchering. I know that’s lame and probably hypocritical, but it’s the truth.

My dad helped someone butcher chickens when I was a tyke and took me along to see the process. I came completely freaking unglued. Even as a little kid I personified animals to a degree and anything with a face was a pet.

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Eddie,

"Intact" chicken breasts (bone-in, skin-on) regularly sell here for $1.49 - $1.99, and go on sale regularly for $0.99 - $1.29. Sorry you're having to pay so much more!!

Chuck
 
I lament the breeding of chickens specifically for large breasts, because I much prefer the taste and texture of dark meat. I presume the breeding for big boobies is largely because of the misinformed health kick that says since breast meat has less fat, it must be healthier. I couldn't disagree more. IMHO the thigh is the best part of the chicken (or turkey). Rich, flavorful, and usually quite tender, not dry.

Right now a local market has whole Foster Farms chickens for $.77/lb, two to a bag. I'll probably pick up pair this weekend to rotisserie in my patio gas grill (or in the Little George). All I do (after rinsing and drying) is to put some non-salt organic herbal seasoning in the body cavity, mount the bird(s) on the spit, coat them evenly with good quality oil (olive or avocado), and slow rotisserie roast them. Yum!
 
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Hi Rich, I could not agree more, the dark meat has much more flavor and little more fat if you are not eating the skin.

 

Its kind of a big hoax trying to sell Americans on only eating the WHITE meat and mean while selling all the dark meat overseas to people that are willing to pay top dollar for it, I think the whole white meat is better and dark meat is bad for you even has racial connotations to it.

 

John L
 
Being in the chicken capital of the world .....

just bought chicken leg quarters for 19 cents a pound. Claxton here in GA sells this huge 10 lb bag of leg quarter for normally 39 cents a pound at Food Lion, but every once in a while they have them for 19 cents/lb. We get 3-4 bags and tuck them away and eat dark meat 2-3 times a week. The wife does this Chipotle dry rub after taking the skin off and lets it marinate overnight in the fridge.... then puts them in the smoker. Man, I never get tired of chicken!! Never found a recipe I didn't like. I too think the dark meat is best. And if you read the label, no industrial plumping required like on the dry breast meat!

Another great recipe is to add a whole chicken to the pressure cooker and add different citrus juices and zest. Fall off the bone goodness![this post was last edited: 9/14/2019-11:27]
 
I overwhelmingly prefer dark meat to white, and after reading the enlightening post above about white meat injections, I have all the more reason not to pursue it.   Skinless thighs are about as healthy as I will get with chicken.

 

The best way I've found to keep white meat moist enough to enjoy is by doing the whole bird on the rotisserie.  Whether on my old Roto-Broil or my current vintage GE, the entire chicken roasts and self-bastes to juicy perfection.
 
I use thighs for nearly everything these days, including chicken salad for sandwiches.

The trick with breasts is to get them off heat as soon as they reach 165 degrees. Tent with foil and let sit for 5 minutes so the proteins relax enough to hang on to internal moisture. Juicy and delicious every time.

I had a devil of a time getting used to cooking pork loin and chops to only 145 degrees—there’s still some pink in the meat. As with chicken, tent with foil and let chops sit for 5 minutes; larger cuts like loin for 15. Again, nice and juicy.

Finally: I read the title of this thread as “Stupid-big chicken”—with emphasis on the word ‘stupid.’ I hear the locals say things like that. It’s “stupid-cold out today” or “I polished the car ‘til it was stupid-shiny.” Don’t know whether or not that’s what Tom (cuffs054) was aiming for.[this post was last edited: 9/14/2019-15:46]
 
I don’t like dark meat poultry, especially turkey and never have. I prefer white meat poultry, the flavor is milder. I can enjoy a chicken thigh once in a while, like when I make Chicken Cacciatore. But for anything else I prefer chicken breast, its just a matter of flavor and texture. And I really prefer chicken breasts with the skin on at least, better yet on the bone too. It is moister and has more flavor.

Boneless skinless chicken breast have to be cooked carefully with attention to seasoning in order to get the best flavor and texture, especially the humongous chicken breasts of today that sparked this thread in the first place.

Eddie[this post was last edited: 9/14/2019-19:33]
 

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