An experts point of view in an article that I came across and found interesting.
Tall Tub Dishwashers and GFI Circuits
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Interesting! And a good idea, too.
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Ours is wired into a GFCI outlet.... I thought that all kitchen electrics should be
Most DW-ers in my area are hard-wired in; not plug-and-cord (flex) connected.I actually had to go out-of-state to see one plugged in. IIRC a freezer or refrigerator is not to be connected to a GFI- Nuisiance "trips" can be coslty and hugely inconvenient.
Intersting to note in the newer NEC (National Electric Code)* is the requirement of arc-fault circuit interrupters in bedroom circuits. Fits in the circuit-breaker panel. Neutral goes into it instead of the general "bus" Measures both sides of current as does a GF(C)I**, but does so "looking" for arcing.
*NEC=> Some cities (and maybe states) have more stringent codes on top of this. Local "rules" of law are called ordinances.
** Residual Current Interrupter" on the other side of the pond, IIRC.
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Intersting to note in the newer NEC (National Electric Code)* is the requirement of arc-fault circuit interrupters in bedroom circuits. Fits in the circuit-breaker panel. Neutral goes into it instead of the general "bus" Measures both sides of current as does a GF(C)I**, but does so "looking" for arcing.
*NEC=> Some cities (and maybe states) have more stringent codes on top of this. Local "rules" of law are called ordinances.
** Residual Current Interrupter" on the other side of the pond, IIRC.
arc fault circuit breaker
Electrical fires happen every day in the United States because of electrical shorts that produce intensely hot arcs. An arc fault circuit interrupter senses this.
AFCI-COntinued.
'nuff said!
'nuff said!
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Thats confusing
Oh, thanks, Retroguy. Yet another "Honey-do" to put on the list!!! 
(Yeah, I know, Toggle, in NYC you have to hire a licensed union electrician at $80+/hr to show his pencil holder butt-crack as he upgrades your outlets and breakers... but here out west we he-men do all this stuff ourselves, when we get a "round tuit")... ;-)
I just happen to have more than a few 20 amp GFCI outlets in the garage just waiting to be installed. The DW and the garbage disposal are first on my list. Already done the baths and indoor kitchen, as well as the fish pond. The patio kitchen is proving resistant becuase of the unique configuration of the outlet plates where the initial power comes in... two dual switches in the old outlet configuration, and then a standard outlet, three outlet parts in all. I'll have to change the two outlet swtiches over to the big rectangular format to accomodate the GFCI, but it will no doubt be worth the expense. The house circuit breakers however are obsolete Federal Pacific (which however are working just fine) and I doubt that there are any AFCI breakers available for them. That will have to wait for a breaker panel box upgrade to SquareD or similar modern brand.
(Yeah, I know, Toggle, in NYC you have to hire a licensed union electrician at $80+/hr to show his pencil holder butt-crack as he upgrades your outlets and breakers... but here out west we he-men do all this stuff ourselves, when we get a "round tuit")... ;-)
I just happen to have more than a few 20 amp GFCI outlets in the garage just waiting to be installed. The DW and the garbage disposal are first on my list. Already done the baths and indoor kitchen, as well as the fish pond. The patio kitchen is proving resistant becuase of the unique configuration of the outlet plates where the initial power comes in... two dual switches in the old outlet configuration, and then a standard outlet, three outlet parts in all. I'll have to change the two outlet swtiches over to the big rectangular format to accomodate the GFCI, but it will no doubt be worth the expense. The house circuit breakers however are obsolete Federal Pacific (which however are working just fine) and I doubt that there are any AFCI breakers available for them. That will have to wait for a breaker panel box upgrade to SquareD or similar modern brand.
What a manly man!
~You have to hire a licensed union electrician at $80+/hr
For entertainement maybe.
I actually do my own wiring with BX instead of allowable Romex. Although plastic sheating is not a bad thing, there is something about a hard steel casing that is resistant to big spikes and nails that works for me.
~The house circuit breakers however are obsolete Federal Pacific (which however are working just fine.
I believe these lost their UL listing /approval rating a long time ago. They appear to be reluctant to blow/trip during overloads and are believed to be a major fire-hazard. I am guessing this is why they can no longer be found.
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~You have to hire a licensed union electrician at $80+/hr
For entertainement maybe.
I actually do my own wiring with BX instead of allowable Romex. Although plastic sheating is not a bad thing, there is something about a hard steel casing that is resistant to big spikes and nails that works for me.
~The house circuit breakers however are obsolete Federal Pacific (which however are working just fine.
I believe these lost their UL listing /approval rating a long time ago. They appear to be reluctant to blow/trip during overloads and are believed to be a major fire-hazard. I am guessing this is why they can no longer be found.
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I almost bought a Round Tuit years back before flea-pay existed. It was in one of those catalogues of small household itmes (Read: Porqueria.. junkly little sh--.)
It was a latexy-rubbery thingy that was round (labeled a round-tuit) and was to be used a a jar opener /gripper.
Here is a wooden version:
It was a latexy-rubbery thingy that was round (labeled a round-tuit) and was to be used a a jar opener /gripper.
Here is a wooden version:
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We just can't get that toggle to stop!
~The breakers may also fail to shut off internally even if the toggle is switched to "off."
Defective Toggle. BIG SURPRISE! LOL.
This linked article refers to the "Stab-lok" type
~The breakers may also fail to shut off internally even if the toggle is switched to "off."
Defective Toggle. BIG SURPRISE! LOL.
This linked article refers to the "Stab-lok" type
Identifying the suspect circuit-breakers and panels ("consumer units" across the pond)
Here is a 30a that is visibly overheated, most-likely from a a failure to trip when oveloaded.
We know that it is a 220v line in that it is/has 2 poles with what looks like a common trip.
We know that it is a 220v line in that it is/has 2 poles with what looks like a common trip.
Yes, Togs, I am well aware of the history of problems with the Federal Pacific breakers. I got educated over on the THS electrical wiring forums.
However, I know they are working... because I've tripped them on occasion...
The panel was inpsected when I bought the home and there was no sign of arcing (a different FP problem with the Stab-lok panels) or of overheating. I am also careful not to overload circuits.
Of course it's on my list of things to do, that is, replace all the FP panels (there are three on the property), but it's relatively low on the list.
You can find FP breakers, however, they tend to be very expensive. Fortunately I have some spares just in case.
However, I know they are working... because I've tripped them on occasion...
The panel was inpsected when I bought the home and there was no sign of arcing (a different FP problem with the Stab-lok panels) or of overheating. I am also careful not to overload circuits.
Of course it's on my list of things to do, that is, replace all the FP panels (there are three on the property), but it's relatively low on the list.
You can find FP breakers, however, they tend to be very expensive. Fortunately I have some spares just in case.
Say no to crack!
I could not be sure, but I thought you might have an inkling based on your post.
Well, at least it was a chance for me to pontificate.
I could not be sure, but I thought you might have an inkling based on your post.
Well, at least it was a chance for me to pontificate.
