Who knew a McBride product could beat the best Germany has to offer! *LOL*
Tandil Beats Persil Color Gel
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Surprise me (well it does of course) but not so much so considering who Tandil is made for.
Int the U.K., Our Lidl detergent “Formil” has just been named “best washing powder on test” by our consumer reports magazine “Which”
I think at one time, our Aldi detergent “Almat” (we don’t have Tandil) had the Which “Best buy” status, but I’m not so sure it does at the moment (But I do know it still carries the Good Housekeeping Institute award)
Surprise me (well it does of course) but not so much so considering who Tandil is made for.
Int the U.K., Our Lidl detergent “Formil” has just been named “best washing powder on test” by our consumer reports magazine “Which”
I think at one time, our Aldi detergent “Almat” (we don’t have Tandil) had the Which “Best buy” status, but I’m not so sure it does at the moment (But I do know it still carries the Good Housekeeping Institute award)
I wonder if the tested "GEL COLOR SELS MINERAUX" is just another flanker of the original color gel in this particular market. If that is the case then the outcome of the test isn`t such a huge surprise.
In Germany for example the current Original color gel is:
>30% anionic surfactants and 5-15% nonionic sf.
The lavender scented version is merely:
5-15% anionic and <5% nonionic sf.
Guess which one is the best Germany has to offer and which one is just another money maker for Henkel. Not exactly trustworthy for a brand, but others do it as well.
The real surprise to me is that McBride supplies Aldi stores in Belgium with liquid detergents. I *think* in Germany it`s only Dalli detergents for Aldi.
In Germany for example the current Original color gel is:
>30% anionic surfactants and 5-15% nonionic sf.
The lavender scented version is merely:
5-15% anionic and <5% nonionic sf.
Guess which one is the best Germany has to offer and which one is just another money maker for Henkel. Not exactly trustworthy for a brand, but others do it as well.
The real surprise to me is that McBride supplies Aldi stores in Belgium with liquid detergents. I *think* in Germany it`s only Dalli detergents for Aldi.
Persil Lessive Color Gel aux Sels Minéraux
Savon, phosphonates, agents de surface non-ioniques, agents de surface anioniques.
https://www.auchandrive.lu/drive/ma...ionid=E21D782238AE2C3D54566851175ACE15.www01s
https://www.delhaize.be/fr-be/shop/...Couleur-7C-2e-1-2-prix/p/S2018062000073820000
Sels Minéraux could be any number of naturally occurring salts (sels). In case of this Persil it seems they are touting bicarbonate of soda and or perhaps other salts as having properties beneficial for laundry.
Long story short it is basically Persil color gel with a bit of something added for marketing purposes.
Savon, phosphonates, agents de surface non-ioniques, agents de surface anioniques.
https://www.auchandrive.lu/drive/ma...ionid=E21D782238AE2C3D54566851175ACE15.www01s
https://www.delhaize.be/fr-be/shop/...Couleur-7C-2e-1-2-prix/p/S2018062000073820000
Sels Minéraux could be any number of naturally occurring salts (sels). In case of this Persil it seems they are touting bicarbonate of soda and or perhaps other salts as having properties beneficial for laundry.
Long story short it is basically Persil color gel with a bit of something added for marketing purposes.
The Persil Power Gel au Bicarbonate (the green colored universal version) at the Auchan supermarket is a bit more precise on active ingredients:
5-15% anionic and 5-15% nonionic sf.
So in other words it is again a completely different formular than the German version.
Different markets often result in different formulars adjusted to different expectations and market environments.
5-15% anionic and 5-15% nonionic sf.
So in other words it is again a completely different formular than the German version.
Different markets often result in different formulars adjusted to different expectations and market environments.
@ mrboilwash
Yes, good observation. I also think the detergent in question isn't the best one Persil can offer.
The Persil Premium vesion is for example: 15-30 % anionic surfactants and 5 - 15 % nonionic surfactants
Anyway McBride produce several excellent detergents that won several times the first place for quality and price.
Yes, good observation. I also think the detergent in question isn't the best one Persil can offer.
The Persil Premium vesion is for example: 15-30 % anionic surfactants and 5 - 15 % nonionic surfactants
Anyway McBride produce several excellent detergents that won several times the first place for quality and price.
Being as all this may
Have found Persil color gel normally wanting in terms of overall stain removal. Tide Coldwater free often does a better job IMHO.
Have found Persil color gel normally wanting in terms of overall stain removal. Tide Coldwater free often does a better job IMHO.
Gorenje, the latest German "regular" color and universal gels are even stronger formulated at more than 30% anionic surfactants and they even require an allergy alert for the enzyme protease.
I`m usually not a huge fan of expensive brand names for things of everyday life because discounters offer excellent quality in Germany. Think of Dalli and McBride when it comes to detergents, but the new Persil is a product I will definitely buy again. It is very sudsy though, but I like that because this way you can tell if your dosing matched soil level and so on.
Is the premium Persil from Slovenia? I wonder because the labeling is written in English.
If it is only 15-30% anionic surfactants @ 50 ml for a standard load it might be the same formular as German "Persil Frischer Wasserfall". Still not the best they have to offer.
The possibly best Germany has to offer right now (in terms of cleaning power) even carries the "corrosive" hazard symbol instead of the usual "moderate hazard" symbol (the one with the exclamation mark)
I wonder how well it will do in terms of fabric care in upcoming consumer tests.
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I`m usually not a huge fan of expensive brand names for things of everyday life because discounters offer excellent quality in Germany. Think of Dalli and McBride when it comes to detergents, but the new Persil is a product I will definitely buy again. It is very sudsy though, but I like that because this way you can tell if your dosing matched soil level and so on.
Is the premium Persil from Slovenia? I wonder because the labeling is written in English.
If it is only 15-30% anionic surfactants @ 50 ml for a standard load it might be the same formular as German "Persil Frischer Wasserfall". Still not the best they have to offer.
The possibly best Germany has to offer right now (in terms of cleaning power) even carries the "corrosive" hazard symbol instead of the usual "moderate hazard" symbol (the one with the exclamation mark)
I wonder how well it will do in terms of fabric care in upcoming consumer tests.
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Stefan the color version from the picture above is taken from the internet.
The picture here is the one I have at home, the one from Slovenia. (But is also labeled in English on the front side as lots of our detergents. The back side it is written in many languages from this geographic area)
Yes right, this one is 15-30% anionic surfactants @ 50 ml for a standard load.
I also find that "lower" brands works also very good. I also like a lot detergents from DM (Drogerie markt) where I work. Denkmit vollwaschmittel is fantastic. Way better than the so famous Italian Dash. The Italian Dash it is no longer what it was once.
The picture here is the one I have at home, the one from Slovenia. (But is also labeled in English on the front side as lots of our detergents. The back side it is written in many languages from this geographic area)
Yes right, this one is 15-30% anionic surfactants @ 50 ml for a standard load.
I also find that "lower" brands works also very good. I also like a lot detergents from DM (Drogerie markt) where I work. Denkmit vollwaschmittel is fantastic. Way better than the so famous Italian Dash. The Italian Dash it is no longer what it was once.
... by the way
... the scent of this Premium Persil in my opinion reminds me of the scent of the last Americam Wisk. For me the scent it's almost identical.
And it makes somehow sense, because Henkel owned Sun products ...
... the scent of this Premium Persil in my opinion reminds me of the scent of the last Americam Wisk. For me the scent it's almost identical.
And it makes somehow sense, because Henkel owned Sun products ...
Washed load of napkins last night in the AEG Lavamat
Using German industrial laundry powder (Trebon color from Kreussler).
At warm/104F wash for 91mins (Normal/Cottons/Linens), and all stains were removed. Including marks left behind from a previous wash with Persil color gel.
Using German industrial laundry powder (Trebon color from Kreussler).
At warm/104F wash for 91mins (Normal/Cottons/Linens), and all stains were removed. Including marks left behind from a previous wash with Persil color gel.
Ingemar, I`m absolutely in love with DM and the Denkmit brand. In particular the aloe vera scented liquid color detergent and their "Multi-Power 12" dishwasher tabs.
Their competitor Rossmann however has lower prices on the big national brands when things are on sale.
The English labeling on the front makes sense when a product is sold in several countries, but it`s also kind of surprising to me because I would assume at least the older generation to be more familiar with Russian than English in your geographic area.
Their competitor Rossmann however has lower prices on the big national brands when things are on sale.
The English labeling on the front makes sense when a product is sold in several countries, but it`s also kind of surprising to me because I would assume at least the older generation to be more familiar with Russian than English in your geographic area.
nickuk
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assuming.....
that Le Chat green liquid (Henkel France) is the same as Persil green liquid (Henkel Germany) then I can also confirm that it does not clean to the level of the best in terms of stain removal. It does, however, have a scent which I enjoy.
I note with interest that Henkel are now pushing the premium products (now isn't that one handsome bottle of detergent pictured by gorenje a few posts up?!!!) and wonder if they have taken something away from the `normal' detergents for this reason. I don't remember `Le Chat' (have used it on an off for years) ever having been noticeably poor until my most recent bottle (purchased in May).
that Le Chat green liquid (Henkel France) is the same as Persil green liquid (Henkel Germany) then I can also confirm that it does not clean to the level of the best in terms of stain removal. It does, however, have a scent which I enjoy.
I note with interest that Henkel are now pushing the premium products (now isn't that one handsome bottle of detergent pictured by gorenje a few posts up?!!!) and wonder if they have taken something away from the `normal' detergents for this reason. I don't remember `Le Chat' (have used it on an off for years) ever having been noticeably poor until my most recent bottle (purchased in May).
Henkel and others are likely finding out what P&G
Already had brought to their notice; consumers have discovered private label and or even some middle shelf brands give good or even better performance.
In turn as McBride's earning reports make good use of; private label products have stepped up their game over past few years.
Already had brought to their notice; consumers have discovered private label and or even some middle shelf brands give good or even better performance.
In turn as McBride's earning reports make good use of; private label products have stepped up their game over past few years.
nickuk
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private labels matching big brand performance
I quite agree, Launderess.
What a faff, though, to have to go a particular store to get the best powder, then cross town to get the best liquid.....and neither may be where one wants to do a big shop.
It can be a time consuming affair, this pursuit of laundry excellence...
I quite agree, Launderess.
What a faff, though, to have to go a particular store to get the best powder, then cross town to get the best liquid.....and neither may be where one wants to do a big shop.
It can be a time consuming affair, this pursuit of laundry excellence...
@ Stefan
Well I speak Russian, but this applies to me, absolutely not for the majority of the population.
To say that "the older generation to be more familiar with Russian than English in your geographic area" isn't true.
My geographic area was ones part of the former Yugoslavia, not Russia. And Yugoslavia was the only one Country in the Eastern Bloc that had nothing to do with Russia.
You can take a look at he picture on this link ;-)
Well I speak Russian, but this applies to me, absolutely not for the majority of the population.
To say that "the older generation to be more familiar with Russian than English in your geographic area" isn't true.
My geographic area was ones part of the former Yugoslavia, not Russia. And Yugoslavia was the only one Country in the Eastern Bloc that had nothing to do with Russia.
You can take a look at he picture on this link ;-)
Ingemar, I apologize for my preconception. I assumed anybody in the former Eastern Bloc had to learn Russian in school and didn`t think of Yugoslavia`s independence.
As to Le Chat, no it`s not the same as German Persil even if it`s Henkel`s top of the line detergent in France and looks the same. At least not if you compare the liquids, current Le Chat seems to be much weaker or cheaper formulated than current Persil is. Maybe the powders and or other formats are identical. I didn`t do any research on that one ;-)
All liquids in most parts of continental Europe had been reformulated recently to 50 ml for a standard load instead of the usual 75 ml. So it is easy to tell what is currently on the market in different regions. Compared to the UK we have been late to the party so to speak as you`ve had the 50 ml dosing for quite a while.
As to Le Chat, no it`s not the same as German Persil even if it`s Henkel`s top of the line detergent in France and looks the same. At least not if you compare the liquids, current Le Chat seems to be much weaker or cheaper formulated than current Persil is. Maybe the powders and or other formats are identical. I didn`t do any research on that one ;-)
All liquids in most parts of continental Europe had been reformulated recently to 50 ml for a standard load instead of the usual 75 ml. So it is easy to tell what is currently on the market in different regions. Compared to the UK we have been late to the party so to speak as you`ve had the 50 ml dosing for quite a while.
Compared to the UK we have been late to the party so to spea
We are actually down to 35ml now in the U.K, and would say we have been for at least a couple of years (if not more, it could actually be closer to 4/5 years).
This could have been spurred on by the fact we have had the “small and mighty” liquid formulation from Unliver (the makers of our Persil) for about 10 years, but the 35ml is for all major brands, not just Unilever.
However, for Proctor and Gamble powders only (not liquids), their powder dosage has gone UP!! (minimum dose [eg normal soil and soft water for 4-5kg load] is now 105ml, it used to be 75ml).
It actually seems that P&G have started the the proper war on Powders now and are trying to drag people, kicking and screaming if need be, in to wet detergent formats. Certain powder variants are become ever increasingly hard (if not impossible) to find, and you can seemingly no longer get detergent powder scoops from them.
We are actually down to 35ml now in the U.K, and would say we have been for at least a couple of years (if not more, it could actually be closer to 4/5 years).
This could have been spurred on by the fact we have had the “small and mighty” liquid formulation from Unliver (the makers of our Persil) for about 10 years, but the 35ml is for all major brands, not just Unilever.
However, for Proctor and Gamble powders only (not liquids), their powder dosage has gone UP!! (minimum dose [eg normal soil and soft water for 4-5kg load] is now 105ml, it used to be 75ml).
It actually seems that P&G have started the the proper war on Powders now and are trying to drag people, kicking and screaming if need be, in to wet detergent formats. Certain powder variants are become ever increasingly hard (if not impossible) to find, and you can seemingly no longer get detergent powder scoops from them.
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